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Least Visual Psychedelic Substance

Many tryptamine RCs from what I've read arent very visual, but may also lack other psychedelic qualities.
A low dose of any psychedelic is basically what you're asking for here. But there's no need to avoid visuals or a body-high (there usually isn't a body high for psychedelics anyway), as long as they're being used therapeutically these factors wouldnt distract from that.
MDMA could also be an option, along with other entactogen-type psychedelics, like 5-MEO-DIPT and 5-MEO-MIPT.
 
.Felix. said:
So basically to take away the "FUN" of the experience? Make it more serious and therapeutic for people? Comments on this statement would be appreciated.
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Fun can be very therapeutic. IMO something doesn't have to be serious in order to be valuable for personal growth. One of the most refreshing insights for me was laughing my ass off at the absurdity of the things we take for granted.

Off course you always have to be careful about crossing the line between constructive use and abuse. But that has more to do with frequency of use, dependency and obsession rather than visuals. Most classic psychedelics like LSD and shrooms aren't very addictive and have tremendous potential for therapeutic use, if done right.
 
LSA isn't visual and in my experience very introspective, get past the first hour of cramps and vomiting and your good to explore your psyche.
 
>I guess visuals/body stimulation avoidance so there is no distraction or
>possibly a desire to use the substance for recreational purposes. So
>basically to take away the "FUN" of the experience? Make it more serious
>and therapeutic for people? Comments on this statement would be appreciated.

I am trying my hardest to understand where you are coming from but I just can't. A psychedelic experience encompass every emotional experience from sheer bliss to utter terror. Embrace all feelings. I am no stranger to psychotherapy (in a personal aspect, plus career wise as it is what my undergrad degree is in) so I understand having 'fun' is not the norm in a counseling session...but psychedelic therapy is not traditional in the west. Maybe I am seeing things in black and white but what is wrong with fun? Why should the experience not be fun. Does 'fun' = not serious? Can one enjoy work if it is not fun? What about life? Why do we wish to exclude 'fun'? I just don't understand where you are coming from.

I repeat that visuals are an incredible way to access the psyche, they are more than just colors and trails. If it means anything, visuals are not always enjoyable but they are still an important part of the experience in my pretty vast experience of sharing psychedelics with other people for personal growth.

Someone mentioned MiPT and they are right, it is absent most visual phenomenon. I have a fairly well written report on it but in reading my notes I pretty much dismissed the experience. Forgive the shameless promotion but a link below links to it.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=25865

Also, 2C-T (4-Methylthio-2,5-DMPEA) is probably a candidate for 'non visual' psychedelics.

Oh, and as someone else mentioned...MMDA. It is a INCREDIBLE material for accessing the psyche. It only has surface resemblance to MDA and MDMA, has little or no stimulant effect, but sadly I took it many years ago at a time when I wasn't writing trip reports or taking notes and memory is now hazy on details. There might be a report here in the TR forum though, I will see if I can find anything.

Edit: I did make one.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/497107-MMDA-New-Experience-There-Was-Life-In-Those-Eyes
 
Moxy-- 5-meo-MiPT -- is pretty introspective without being very visual, but it also just kinda felt like I was going crazy rather than taking a drug therapeutically..

When I took 700 morning glory seeds I had a trip that was very very intensely introspective and therapeutic but had almost no visuals.

keep in mind that both of these experiences had brutal body loads though, with cramping and nausea to boot.
 
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