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Learning disabilitties implicated in anxiety?

Middleway

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I have suffered all my life from terribble anxiety/social phobia.
I have had periods where I seem to get my head around it, relax, chill out, but then I "forget" my way of thinking that lead to that state of mind.
I have adhd and alot of problems learning new things. I am wondering if my problems with anxiety have to do with being unable to learn new ways of thinking?
I have been living in youth hostels for years now, traveled, basically been in intensively social situations, yet still I am morbidly anxious, some days worse than others, some people worse than others.
Is there a connection?
 
I'm not learning disabled, but I am autistic, one thing I do get, the most part of it is good, but, I suffer from a constant physical stimulatory overload, I feel sort of like I am being poisoned by my own adrenaline most of the time.

No mental anxiety though.

I think you may have more luck at http://spectrumites.proboards104.com/index.cgi than you might here.


I got myself on piracetam lately, that seems to be doing very well.
 
Middleway - do consider your anxiety to be more mental or physical?

Limpet chicken - You should consider a vitamin b6 with melatonin supplement nightly. It's supposed to be helpful for autism.
 
Lol thanks, but I don't need any help with autism, I'm quite good at being autie =D

In seriousness though, the only downside to it is the adrenergic overload, and I have tried melatonin, it had absolutely no discernable effect whatsoever, I'm getting on clonidine again hopefully soon, I used to take it, and it completely blocked the hyperstimulation.

Ideally I need my body sedating, my mind, though is razor sharp as ever, and I prefer it to stay that way, sure I get kept awake formulating new ideas and working stuff out quite a bit, but thats, well, who I am.

By and by, I like being autistic, wouldn't want to change it at all, its just that one particular problem that needs kicking into touch.
 
^ You'd need to take vitamin b6 for 2-4 weeks before it starts to be effective.

So you think autism serves you? How do you do in social situations? don't you have trouble reading body lanuage and stuff like that?
 
Not really. I have bad anxiety and I think I learn too much from many of my experiences; that's the problem, something negative happens and it's burned in my head forever it seems like.
 
^ I've had the same problem. Used to stay up all night analyzing every social situation I was in that day and critising myself negatively.

Now I realize this is mostly because of poor mind control, and that all manifestations of fear including anxiety stem from this.. Once I started meditating, I could silence these thoughts easily, or turn them around into positive thoughts.
 
Tsukasa, I didn't take melatonin+B6, just bought a couple of grams of melatonin, and took it alone.

I do quite well in social situations, I don't 'do' body language, unless its completely blatant, at least, not automatically, if I want to, I can work out what a persons body language means logically, but it doesn't come automatically (or should that be autie-matically?=D)

But, I don't have the classic NT symptom of social addiction, I can take it or leave it, I like getting together for a chill and a bong or twenty as much as the next guy of any neurotype, but were I to be stuck in the middle of some jungle, I wouldn't get depressed and lose focus, if you follow me (as long as I was with my gal of course, I wouldn't ever want to be without her:))

Its a tradeoff really, I see all the little details in life which people miss a lot of the time, and I guess I swap the ability to read people instinctively, for the ability to think in a cold, calm, systematic and logical manner (at least most of the time), and the ability to more or less suppress emotional responses at will, in fact, although I can and do feel emotion, I think I quite likely have less of it, than do most NT people.

From my observations of them, I see every day, people getting worked up into emotional states, depression, sudden anger causing them to lose control, my mates for example, get pissed off, and they might throw their phone on the floor and storm off in a rage, I on the other hand, will do something about the problem at hand, or if nothing is doable, plot and scheme until the time is right to remedy it, and usually act decisively.

There are negatives, mostly the adrenal overload, and insomnia, but with the right medication both of those are easy to suppress, the overwhelming majority of the time, the negatives are overshadowed almost completely by the positive aspects, I know I really, really wouldn't want to be any other way, and all the talk I see by the abomination of a 'charity' Autism Speaks, and their ilk of curing, knocks me sick to my stomach, as I know most likely, the prospect of a pre-natal test, which they sponsor research into, would mean not a cure for the autist who has a bad time of things and wishes of their own free will to be cured (when in fact with the right outlook and interventions they could possibly or probably, depending on the case, turn their autism to serve their purposes), it would mean the end of us almost completely with todays outlook in the public mind, in the same way that you no longer see many people with Down's syndrome, they get tested for, and aborted before they are born.

That could have been me, if that kind of test was available, or it could have been the woman I love, or even most of my friends too, and thats not something I want to see.

Also, autism is responsible for me having what in the lingo, they call 'special interests', which subjectively observing and comparing with my NT friends, and the general public, I seem to get a lot more enjoyment from them, due to my ability to hyperfocus on the subject(s) at hand.

For me, its less of a learning disability, as a learning ability.

Nuke, are you aspie/autie ?

You might like this place if you are:

http://spectrumites.proboards104.com/index.cgi

That site is temporary though, within a few weeks we are moving to spectrumites.com which promises to be bigger, beefier, better and all together flappier than the technologically limited proboards hosted site :)

@echo off
:loop
Echo <handflap>
If 'autie' goto loop
if not 'autie' goto end
:end

Hehehe.
 
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Never tried kava myself, not yet at any rate, but GABAergic depressants aren't suitable for regular use without due care.

I bet it helps out though, I think I might try it myself sometime when I have some spare cash.
 
^ It's not exactly gabaergic. More so it potentiates GABA or something like that. I'd say it's safe for long-term use.
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
There are negatives, mostly the adrenal overload, and insomnia, but with the right medication both of those are easy to suppress, the overwhelming majority of the time, the negatives are overshadowed almost completely by the positive aspects, I know I really, really wouldn't want to be any other way, and all the talk I see by the abomination of a 'charity' Autism Speaks, and their ilk of curing, knocks me sick to my stomach, as I know most likely, the prospect of a pre-natal test, which they sponsor research into, would mean not a cure for the autist who has a bad time of things and wishes of their own free will to be cured (when in fact with the right outlook and interventions they could possibly or probably, depending on the case, turn their autism to serve their purposes), it would mean the end of us almost completely with todays outlook in the public mind, in the same way that you no longer see many people with Down's syndrome, they get tested for, and aborted before they are born.

1 ) What the fuck are you talking about.
2 ) This has to be the longest run-on sentence I've ever read.

Hyperfocus my ass.
 
I would rather not hyperfocus on your arse, if its all the same to you, I don't know what I might catch=D

As for what I'm talking about:

There are people, if that is what they can be called, 'charities' like autism speaks, funding research into the genetic and neurological causes of autism, and the end result, is they are trying to develop a prenatal test, which will lead to what they call a cure.

What it will lead to, is no cure, but social pressure ending iup in eugenics, because the prevailing attitude is that we are 'less than perfect' its largely not autism that causes disable-ment (whats the feckin word for that) but the current attitudes and inflexibility of society to accept the unconventional.

Prenatal test=eugenic selection against autistic and aspergian embryos, the same happened with Down's syndrome babies, motheres are pressured into aborting, or feel the need to, with the result iof a massive reduction of the autistic population, as happened to those with Down's , they simply are no longer born often.


I believe Kava could still form a dependence, benzos act by causing a chance in the conformation of the GABAa receptor by binding at an allosteric site, which results in it being locked into a conformation which binds GABA far more effectively, so if benzos can cause physical addiction, so can kava IMO.
 
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