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LBJ big decision in more ways than 1

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Soon we will all find out by way of a one hour special whether he stays or goes. Basically its Miami or Cleveland, which realistically it always has been.

Now the thought of a super team with a real big three is cool. There's no denying that they could put on quite a show together. Still I remain hopefully optimistic for you Cleveland fans. I mean could it be that he would make such a spectacle of himself just to tell his loyal fanbase in Cleveland bye? If he does go to Miami I will still watch. I will still respect him as a player but, as a person I will think he's a fucking piece of shit.

This has the potential of being one of the most fucked up moves an athlete has ever made. IMO just leaving would be fine but, I really hope he's not putting on a one hour slap in the face. Good luck cavs fans.

What does anyone else think about this whole show?
 
It would seem like a fucked up move on the surface, but what if he does stay in Cleveland? What if he never wins a championship there, which is possible if not probable? He will be another Carl Malone or Charles Barkley. One of the all time greats that never won a championship and therefore don't attain the same kind if legacy as a Jordan or Magic or Kobe. Fans in Cleveland will forget about him or delegate him second or third on the list of all time hometown greats if after he retires somebody else finally brings that trophy to Cleveland.

Besides, it has been obvious since the beginning of his career that he wants to leave his hometown. He roots for the Yankees and Cowboys. He's always wanted to get out of Cleveland, and you can't blame somebody for wanting to get out of a town where they never felt they fit in. Not wanting to die an hour from where they grew up. Not that it is a 100% guarantee that he is leaving, I'm sure Cleveland still holds a piece of his heart, but you can't be so hard on a guy for not feeling loyal to a place just cause he was born there.
 
realistically speaking you have to add Chicago and the NY Knicks to the mix. I know it's a far-shot, but Miami was not even an option until Wade re-signed and Bosh signed. New York has to be in consideration due to Amare, Coach Dantoni, and the millions and millions he would get for advertising. Chicago has to have a say in the matter because I believe that with LBJ the Bulls have the best starting 5.

I do not like the current trend of the NBA with "super teams" (a la the Lakers and the Celtics).

I remember as a basketball fan back in the day, to be friends with another basketball player meant that you wanted to beat the holy hell of him out on the basketball floor (Larry Bird VS Magic Johnson is the forefront).

as a basketball fan first, I would rather see LBJ play against Wade and Bosh with Amare or Derrick Rose than with Wade and Bosh. as a LBJ fan, I will support him either way. as an East Coaster, I am the happiest that the West Coast is going to be a two or three team conference (at best) ;)
 
Well... add another chapter to the book of depression that is a Cleveland fan.

If anyone thinks it's just a game... they don't feel the way I do... and the way the true fans of Cleveland sports feel. This is fucking heart wrenching. The Browns are now our front runner for the next championship.

Down the drain goes Cleveland. All you haters can keep on kicking us while we're down because there's no fight left.
 
Well... now that I'm not wearing my rose colored glasses, I can honestly say...

Lebron James is a tremendous individual talent, but ultimately... he's a loser. Good thing you have D-wade to lead your team, Miami, we know LBJ can't do it.
 
I think Lebron is a professional douche bag.

You mean for ditching the fans who booed him simply because his team was inferior to the Celtics? Ditching a franchise that would have sold him for dirt once he reached the point in his career when he was no longer a valuable asset to his team? For wanting to play with his best friends and win championships? For not wanting to go down as a player with no legacy of championships to look back on when he retires, no ability to look at his past with a lack if regret that he didn't do it differently? So he could look at Wade and Bosh win championship after championship and wonder what could have been?

There's two sides to every story. This happens to teams and fans all the time, and Cleveland will one day be able to bask in the glory of being world champions. LeBron wasn't going to do it for them anyways. As happy as I am to get him, if it was a choice between him or Wade, I would choose Wade. LeBron is a statistical machine but overrated as a player. You guys are losing a superstar the way Minnesota lost Garnett. Cleveland is better off for the move, as they will now be able to build without suffering the disappointment that would have been LeBron's career had he stayed.
 
3,4-dihydroxyphen...

There ARE two sides to every story... but you can't hear the Cleveland story and understand the pain. Cleveland is NOT better off. Lebron leaving WILL be the end of the Cavaliers. There won't be a championship because there won't be a team.

I'm not saying "fuck you!" to you by any means. Enjoy watching your team dominate... in the regular season (that's a joke obviously because now D-wade can take the reigns in the playoffs). Lebron James no longer has to be a leader, which is GREAT for him because clearly he couldn't handle that pressure. I'm not pissed off that he left, because it's his choice and his life... I'm pissed off that he left the way he did. Anyone who watched him fizzle out in his final moments in Cleveland can honestly say they watched a frustrated "King" give up on his team. He left his team and the city of Cleveland and all it's fans high and dry.
 
realistically speaking you have to add Chicago and the NY Knicks to the mix. I know it's a far-shot, but Miami was not even an option until Wade re-signed and Bosh signed. New York has to be in consideration due to Amare, Coach Dantoni, and the millions and millions he would get for advertising. Chicago has to have a say in the matter because I believe that with LBJ the Bulls have the best starting 5.

I do not like the current trend of the NBA with "super teams" (a la the Lakers and the Celtics).

I remember as a basketball fan back in the day, to be friends with another basketball player meant that you wanted to beat the holy hell of him out on the basketball floor (Larry Bird VS Magic Johnson is the forefront).

as a basketball fan first, I would rather see LBJ play against Wade and Bosh with Amare or Derrick Rose than with Wade and Bosh. as a LBJ fan, I will support him either way. as an East Coaster, I am the happiest that the West Coast is going to be a two or three team conference (at best) ;)

Miami has always been an option. It was common knowledge that Wade opted out because of the up and coming change to the CBA. He certainly wasn't the only one. The Knicks remain a joke as long as Thomas has his hands in the organization and the Bulls who were strong contenders are now coached by Tibideau. I think people only read into the Knicks because it was so long in the making, just hype. Spoelstra is very young but, when you really look at the other teams...

Actually most NBA heads I know IRL have been talking Miami since the get go. TBH I was wondering if you guys knew something I didn't when I saw the poll but, that's all besides the point now.

LBJ is probably the biggest douchebag in sports history. There were so many better ways to deal with his choice than what he just did.
 
I don't really think he's a douchebag, he just is this decade's Art Modell. Art Modell II if you will. I've been against the Miami move all long because I feel that playing with Wade and Bosh is a little bit too easy for an athlete of the caliber of LBJ (who knows? maybe they won't click).

just like how people said Chicago would be like LBJ was playing in MJ's spotlight, I feel that his game isn't getting the stat treatment that many people think he deserves alongside Wade and Bosh. and, as basketball purist, I want these superstars to play against one another.

I don't think many NBA heads knew he was going to end up in Miami. if anything, it was still surprising because all these superstars were going to take pay cuts and the Raptors didn't want to trade-and-sign Bosh to Miami because Miami had nothing to offer.

I don't see how this is a "good move" for the Cavs. if anything, I see the team leaving the city of Cleveland. hell, maybe it will come to Columbus (my current location) where the economy isn't so downtrodden and depressing.

you still can't hold it against LBJ for wanting to win championships. it might be the easy way, but it's the way of the modern NBA
 
putting all the drama aside, it will be fun to watch them play together.
 
Putting all the drama aside is something that most people can't do, myself included. It might be attractive basketball, but it will be far from fun to watch. Depending on what side of the divide you're on of course.
 
As horrible as a thing James did (why have a one hour show devoted to yourself only to announce you're turning your back on the city that got on it's hands and knees to you), I think the great city of Cleveland and the Cavs fans will unite stronger than ever.

They united behind Queen James, and now that the true colors of the coward have been revealed they hopefully will sell out their enitre season next year and rally behind the team that WANTS to stay in Cleveland. That would be the best thing the city could do.

BTW, I am a casual NBA fan and don't really care too much either way. But there's no denying James took the easy way out. He promised the fans that he would never leave until he got Cleveland a title. So he is a blatant liar.
Have fun holding onto Wades jockstrap Queen Lebron.

I do love what Cavs majority owner Gilbert said "I promise we will bring a title to Cleveland before the former "king" wins one in Miami. You can take it to the bank".

Well I'm not sure if it will be possible to get a title to Cleveland so soon but it won't be easy for Miami to win one either. Yeah no doubt they will be great all season but they will still have to fight against L.A, Boston, etc.

Still, you gotta respect what Gilbert said, he really cares about the city of Cleveland and knows the pain and betrayal Cavs fans are feeling right now. He sounds like a man possessed, which is great for the team and fans.

And I hope the Cavs fans really get behind the Cavs more than they ever have. Show the team you got that you still love them and they will play hard and who knows, it's not too tough to snag an 8 seed in the NBA playoffs. And upsets do happen. A couple good draft picks and some hard play plus support from the fans and the Cavs could be alright.

I mean look at OKC, they went from the crapper to a solid decent team in what like a year?

On any note, good luck Cleveland from a Cincinnati guy, you all deserve much better than this.
 
Are people serious? He's a real person and he works harder than any of us ever have. He has every right to go to the city of his choice. If the GM had traded him, that would have been his fate. He can't leave? Let the man make a choice and live with it.

The owner's statement is so childish it's unbelievable (it's also just a marketing ploy). James said it well - 7 years of blood, sweat, and tears. They got what they paid for out of LeBron. Winning a championship isn't a given just because you're amazing. Boston's lineup last year was incredible. LeBron has faced some of the hardest competition (pistons, spurs, celtics) of any great and he didn't pull victories - that's reality but that doesn't make him less talented.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Players should be able to go where they want if they can be traded where owners want.



As for the whole ego thing.. he was built up into the "King" by fans and the media. He embraced it but which super star hasn't? Kobe? MJ? Lol.. he's just doing what everybody wants. Not only that but he's done really well with what he's had. 2003, his first season with Cleveland improved their record by what, 18 wins. 2004 they improved by a further 7 wins. 2005 with new ownership, coach, and players they went to the playoffs. 2006 they made the playoffs again. 2007 they again made the playoffs despite more line up changes. 2008 they went 66 - 16 but lost in the finals. 2009 they lost to the Celtics in the playoffs with a 61 - 21 record.

Do people have such short memories? That's amazing progress for a team that was hopeless prior to his coming. He didn't take a championship but the past 10 years have seen amazing championship competition. I don't see how Cleveland has any right to be bitter.
 
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Are people serious? He's a real person and he works harder than any of us ever have. He has every right to go to the city of his choice. If the GM had traded him, that would have been his fate. He can't leave? Let the man make a choice and live with it.

The owner's statement is so childish it's unbelievable (it's also just a marketing ploy). James said it well - 7 years of blood, sweat, and tears. They got what they paid for out of LeBron. Winning a championship isn't a given just because you're amazing. Boston's lineup last year was incredible. LeBron has faced some of the hardest competition (pistons, spurs, celtics) of any great and he didn't pull victories - that's reality but that doesn't make him less talented.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Players should be able to go where they want if they can be traded where owners want.



As for the whole ego thing.. he was built up into the "King" by fans and the media. He embraced it but which super star hasn't? Kobe? MJ? Lol.. he's just doing what everybody wants. Not only that but he's done really well with what he's had. 2003, his first season with Cleveland improved their record by what, 18 wins. 2004 they improved by a further 7 wins. 2005 with new ownership, coach, and players they went to the playoffs. 2006 they made the playoffs again. 2007 they again made the playoffs despite more line up changes. 2008 they went 66 - 16 but lost in the finals. 2009 they lost to the Celtics in the playoffs with a 61 - 21 record.

Do people have such short memories? That's amazing progress for a team that was hopeless prior to his coming. He didn't take a championship but the past 10 years have seen amazing championship competition. I don't see how Cleveland has any right to be bitter.

I think the idea is lost on you in this case. It's not that he left, it's HOW he left. And I'm not talking solely about the hour long Lebronathon... I'm talking also about last years finals... how he gave up on his team (you could see it AS IT HAPPENED), I'm talking about how the second he entered that tunnel after elimination... he was EAGER to rip that Cavs jersey off his back. Or how he flaunted that New York hat publicly in an interview about whether or not he was gonna stay or go, sending a "subtle" message to anyone who could read between the lines. Lebron James did give us his blood, sweat, and tears, but he also gave us poor leadership, a lack of effort when it mattered, and an hour long special to tell us to go fuck ourselves.

I have no qualms (aside from being disappointed) in Lebron's choice to go somewhere else, because he DID work for it, it's his decision, and it's his life. What pisses me, and most everyone else, off is that he acted as if he did all he could... and that it's our fault he didn't bring us a title in these 7 years. He said he took us places we haven't been in years, did things for us, etc. ooooooh... I didn't know we let him down. He quit on us... and took the road that seems to be the easiest path to a title, not because he wants to earn it, but because he just wants one plain and simple. How he gets a ring isn't important so long as he gets one (or more).

Lebron James clearly had no regard for this fan base, the city, the franchise, his (former) teammates, he doesn't care how many people he has to walk over to get to that coveted trophy. It's evident by his national hour long self fellatio special.

All this time we waited for this classless professional loser to make his decision we could have been shopping other options, but his complete refusal to give even the slightest inclination that he was leaving... which clearly he knew all along... left us handcuffed until we knew his decision... which at that point, the talent pool has significantly declined.

So again... it's not that he left. I can understand the desire to branch out and explore other options. It's the self serving, egotistical, narcissistic, very public, blatant middle finger that he gave us on the way out the door that has caused this big stir. Lebron James can go fuck himself. We're nothing on his radar anyways so I'm sure these words mean nothing to him.

Lebron James is no longer a basketball player, he's just a brand.
 
I think Lebron is a professional douche bag.

I would agree with you if he hadn't picked my team.

"Lebron is the best player in basketball, but he may not be the best player on the Heat roster." Local sportscaster.

btw, this is all karma for OSU stealing a national championship from UM a few years back.
 
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I feel he is just another dumb baller with no life experiences who has really bad managers/support. He is a guy who went from high school to the NBA and has now made a poor decision.

I'm not talking about leaving Cleveland, it's not like he was drafted by the bottom team and left as soon as he could to better pastures. Plenty of great, "loyal" players have left clubs that have supported them and done so with class. A more intelligent man would have seen the hurt that his decision would cause and try and spin it best he could. If he had the right management team he would have been able to leave with the love of his home town still there. "The need to test myself elsewhere", "the opportunity to play with some of my best friends in another great Basketball town", hell even a lame " I needed to take the money and set up my family for life" would have been smarter than the circus that he created over the past few months. The hour long (paid) interview was just icing on the cake for me.

It is a bit unfair to say he didn't put in for Cleveland. The man did hurt over the years and seven years is a solid amount of time to try and give back to a club and city so desperate for success. Sure he may have been a bit immature when he promised a title before he left. He may be better judged if from this moment on he becomes a mercenary and floats from big contract to big contract looking for success. He didn't do this for money (he surely doesn't need anymore) and he will be famous no matter where he went. I wish him all the best and look forward to the Heat putting on a show against the handful of "super" teams that have been assembled.
 
I definitely will never say that he didn't give anything to Cleveland, but he acted as if he gave EVERYTHING to Cleveland. In the end we saw what he left on the table in the Boston series. Someone who quits like he did on his team and fans doesn't deserve a ring. Seven years of blood, sweat, and tears to pass the buck when he couldn't achieve his ultimate goal by the time his contract expired? That's not a team player/leader, that's someone who's obviously only in it for himself.

I sincerely hope he never wins a championship. Yes, I'm being real classy, myself. :D
 
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