Lazyman's DMT TeK for Mescaline extraction?

[kazanokizu]

Ive been stalking these forums for a while now and have a question that I can't seem to find an explicit answer for. The question ,basically the title, is will Lazyman's dmt tek work for extracting mescaline?

The basic tek outline for mescaline is really close. I have heard using water for the bottom layer of the mixture (the one u add the lye to) and ive also heard several organic solvents ranging from alcohols to ketones and also the basic hydrocarbon. So I was wondering if I could use naphtha as my organic solvent (top layer in the mixture when settled out).

On a side question When using Lazyman's tek to extractDMT would I be able be able to substitute acetone or Isopropanol for naphtha? I ask because I hear naphtha has a strong smell and I know from years of experience that alcohols and acentone are just as easy to evap and i think it may be easier to use them since they may not stink as much.

Thanks Kaza.

 

[solistus]

I don't know about naptha as the solvent for a mescaline tek - I know the common one to use these days is d-limonene but I don't know much about the chemistry of the tek. You'll have to hold out for someone more knowledgeable in this area for an answer here, I'm afraid.

I am 99% sure that neither acetone nor isopropanol would be appropriate substitutes for naptha in a DMT tek, because they're both polar molecules. Here's a list of alternative non-polar solvents commonly used in DMT teks, although I can't comment on their smell or rate of evaporation as I've only used naptha personally:

http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/NPS

 

[kazanokizu]

I was also 99% sure the polarity of the solvents would make acetone and ISO non-viable options. thx for the list i knew most of them. Also i was thinking since heptane works in the dmt exrtaction would i be able to use lighter fluid (butane) to extract dmt and or mescaline?

 

[solistus]

Why would you want to use butane? It's a gas at room temperature and standard pressure, so it would be extremely inconvenient, and it stinks to high heaven. I see no advantage over naptha and one major disadvantage (being a gas at STP). I think in theory it would probably work but I can't imagine why anyone would want to use it.

 

[kazanokizu]

well if I covered the mixture (or w/e u call it) of the mimosa in basified water with butane on top then the butane would not be able to evaporate much if I put it n a small container since it should reach equilibrium between the stages of matter with the result of having most of the butane remain in its liquid. I say it should remain almost exclusively in the liquid stage since it need only something like 3atm to stay in mostly liquid state. A good example would be your normal everyday bic lighter only 3 atm of pressure with closed vessel and tada.

Also you think butane stinks to high heaven really? i think Iso even the 70% smells worse than butane. Also being a gas at stp should help with evap time i would think.

 

[solistus]

Perhaps it's doable. I don't understand what you're saying about the butane remaining in liquid form - how would your extraction container be pressurized to anywhere near 3atm? My knowledge of chem is basically limited to self-teaching to do extractions, so perhaps I'm just talking nonsense here, but... Wouldn't a typical jar with some liquid in it be at *1* atm unless you did something to compress the contents? Also, it seems like you'd have a hell of a time separating out your DMT-laden solvent when the time comes - open that container and bam, a wall of butane fumes assaults yer nostrils.

The smell really isn't that big of a deal - you should be in a well-ventilated workspace when evaporating off highly flammable solvents like naptha or butane anyway. You don't have to do much/any evaporating if you don't use excessive amounts of solvent to begin with. Freeze precipitation for the win.

Maybe I'm just used to the smell of iso but I don't find it at all offensive. Butane and naptha both have a natural gas smell. Naptha and butane don't really smell all that different from each other to me, although I haven't sniffed 'em one after the other to compare directly I guess. Maybe naptha is a bit stronger smelling, I guess, but if you are letting enough fumes of either build up to be that bothered by it, yer' doin' it wrong!

 

[kazanokizu]

the reason I am extremely sure that puting butane on top of the mimosa water and covering it with a good seal would work is because it is analogous to how lighters work. Tho i dont think zippos work that way i think they are more akin to an oil lamp or alcohol burner in the way they work. Eitherway standard cig lighters achieve this 3 atm within them and you know how cheap they are made.

I may be wrong because I finished orgo not that long ago so I havent taken General Chemistry for about 2 years, but 3 atm isnt that much pressure if standard lighters can achieve it. Though when i look online It says its the same as 66 feet under water which some divers do dive to without scuba gear though not many.

Either way the pressure really isnt the issue all i need is a tight seal. Although i did just realize that when i add the naoh to the water that exothermic rxn may not be such a good idea for the butane. I dont know butane's ignition temp ,and i doubt the heat the rxn would produce would raise the water temp to anything over 120-130 F at the max since water has a really high specific heat. What do you guys/women think?

sry if I am not making much sense or just babbling I had a very greeeen day.