Lawmakers concerned salvia could become the next marijuana [updated: illegal in FL]

Little kids to try?

You're way off base. No one has died from salvia use. I can find one report of someone really getting hurt, but I can't find any confirmation to document the 'first hand' report. One kid committed suicide.

This absolutely does not belong in CI- that's for addictive and highly dangerous drugs.

This is neither. Because you can fall down and hurt yourself on it or drive off a cliff does not merit scheduling, or alcohol would merit scheduling.

There's also no evidence that it can induce or exacerbate psychosis. I can't find a single documented case and ever a wider search of more commonly used kappa agonists yeilds very little.

Of course, there's no one more anti-drug than a 'reformed' user, right?
 
No no, i'm not bright at all. My postings here at BL support your assertion, completely. :/

Well, i'm glad to have identified a troll.
If you're going to make statements like what you have, you bear the burden of proof. This means you have to provide solid references so we can verify your claims. Until this happens, you can't expect to be taken seriously, just cuz' you say so. That's not how it works. And even then, this wouldn't necessitate it's criminalisation. This is, after all, a harm reduction board. I need not reiterate the ethos of such a policy and it's implications here.

(For the record, I don't take or enjoy salvia. I do however believe in keeping it's use a non-criminal activity for those who do, or otherwise find it useful to them.)
 
I didn't mean to offend you MattPsy.

I just was upset because I interpreted your response as something else. (Been up for days).

It's not the fact I don't enjoy it-- it's simply an odd, impractical drug. It's being sold in head shops under names such as "Sticky Purple Salvia", which is evidently a reference to marijuana. When people see a substance marketed with a similiar name to a certain strain of weed, they think - "Hey! This is a weed substitute", or similiar. That's what the marketing gurus intended, obviously.

Salvia is a strong hallucinogen. Ham-milton, you were a psychology major as well, I thought- so you're aware of Schizo-affect behavior?

Unusual thoughts coupled with hallucinations is a mock image. I've smoked salvia quite a few times. Each time it triggered the onset of a bi-polar episode. I was completely stable prior to smoking it. After smoking, I was in a state of textbook psychosis. Voices. It's not safe for someone to hear and believe things that are so detached from reality.

Look up psychosis in the DSM - IV.

The term means loss of touch with reality. I know it's broad, as the DSM is, however---look. This isn't a toy. My experience is just one, but you know, there could be someone who reacts horrid to it, and they could hurt themselves.

I think more research needs to be done on salvia, but first placing it into a temporary scheduling.

It's becoming a widespread issue it seems.

Sorry for insulting you Matt.

Now, just because I had bad experiences with it, doesn't mean it should be controlled.
 
Hey center, Salvia,as many other entheogens, can be quite therapetic when used properly. I know cases of people that were very much helped by Salvia to overcome their borderline-psychotic behaviour. On the other side, yes, one could possibly got worse or acquire some mental disorder. That's psychedelics for you, heaven / hell .

However, I would want Salvia to be much less available,I wish it was possible it was not for sale at all , online or at 'normal' stores, so that less fucking kiddies or cluebies smoke it thinking it's something like MJ and get some serious freakin' out ...
The truth is a very small percentage of those that fuck with such substances have a clue or can 'handle it' or even more can get something really useful out of it and make it part of their lives.

Scheduling it wouldn't do much, it would may be less available, but it would go more 'street'.
 
Salvia would be best regulated and controlled, in our current politcal climate. Keep use decriminalized, just remove it from public sale at headshops and similar. Keeps morons from using it an an opportunistic basis (buying and using it where they otherwise wouldn't have, just because it's there in their face) and potentially injuring themselves.

Apology accepted, center.
 
Lets see.

I say, if it's going to be regulated in any fashion-- just keep it to only be purchased at liquor stores by 21+ year old individuals.

I think it should be treated as what is it, a hallucinogen. The one thing is, though, it would seem funny that pot is scheduled and salvia isn't.

Welcome to America, where things don't make much sense!™

Thanks MattPsy.
 
I might be one of the few that use it and enjoy it (mostly).

Here is the main issue: kids smoke it at a party and video tape it, post it on YouTube and it is an instant sensation. You don't see the people like myself who mentally prepare for the trip, respect Salvia for what it/she is, and smoke it expecting consciousness expansion (if only for 10 minutes).

Then again, psychonauts aren't particularly interested or deterred by laws, so what does this really matter in the long run?
 
center said:
Hey, MattPsy, schedule it because it is a mind altering substance that causes a dangerous state of mind that is very unpredictable. People have died and gotten hurt from salvia. It can exacerbate psychosis or even induce a temporary psychosis.

Why would you want to keep it on the shelves for little kids to try MattPsy?

You're not too much of a bright fellow. Go back to spinning in your little spiral avatar. Oh, but take a "blast" of that salvia first, of course. You wouldn't want to miss the spiritual experience! (delusions)
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Uh, salvia is only sold to those 18 and up and second, salvia does not meet the requirements of a Schedule 1 drug. Actually it does not meet one single requirement of a schedule 1 drug. Also those with mental illness in their family history should not use psychoactive substances at all.
 
Then again, psychonauts aren't particularly interested or deterred by laws, so what does this really matter in the long run?
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The reason it matters is "psychonauts" are usually regular people who have a slightly enlightened perspective, and sometimes they are extremely smart people with the potential to be highly productive and extremely successful (partially due to their mind expansion and partially due to just being really smart). If one of these normal or smart people gets busted with his/her substance of choice, the charge might be as high as a felony. Working as a software designer, financial analyst, or engineer just got a lot harder (if not impossible).

These people will be marginalized by society by default for the remainder of their lives, even if the felony charge gets dismissed. Getting good work will be extremely difficult and the chances of them realizing their dreams (which could benefit more people than just themselves) get shot to shit.
 
Yeah, new laws just incarcerate more people, means more jobs for the prison industry and more average citizens that have their lives destroyed. :-(
 
center said:
Salvia is such an impractical drug.

Who the fuck enjoys that? You really need to alter your reality that much, with no real payoff besides "what teh hell"?

Oh please. Put this fucking drug on Schedule I with marijuana.
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scared the hell out of me, but i did it again. i got 'payoff'
 
individual states may outlaw it but honestly I doubt it'll be scheduled federally.. it would have happened already otherwise. maybe if somehow a bunch of people kill themselves while taking it or something
 
Kaneh Bosm said:
Uh, salvia is only sold to those 18 and up and second, salvia does not meet the requirements of a Schedule 1 drug. Actually it does not meet one single requirement of a schedule 1 drug. Also those with mental illness in their family history should not use psychoactive substances at all.
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anyone with enough of a brain to prepare properly for a salvia trip can Easily order salvia online and be under 18. I did.

Since when does marijuana meet the requirement of schedule 1 anyhow, why does that matter when the government does whatever they want.

Also i dont believe salvia can be considered under the federal analogue acts because it is not really similar. It might be able to be prosecuted for it, but with a good lawyer you could prove its not chemically similar enough to stand. There has been some case kinda similar i found a while back fighting the analogue act in this fashion.

Honestly i dont care if its illegal, i am not interested in it anymore. Though it is pretty crazy. Anyone could order enough to last them years before it becomes illegal anyway.
 
Honestly i dont care if its illegal, i am not interested in it anymore.
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i'm not particularly interested in it either but there is no reason to make it illegal except drug hysteria, so the longer it stays legal, the more hope i have that people are somewhat reasonable when it comes to drugs. lol
 
Center, stop looking at is from a phycological point of view and try looking at it from a legal one.

Im not so concerned with salvia being illegal as much as i am that the government thinks it has the power to make it illegal. The 10th amendment in a nutshell says that whatever the constitution doesn't mention is left up to the individual states. The constitution doesn't give a word about any sort of drugs or banning of substances (except the introduction and then repeal of prohibition), so it should be left up to the individual states to decide their stances on any drug.

Then beyond the fact that the national banning of salvia (and the banned substances act imo) is a blatant violation of the 10th amendment, it is also a violation of personal privacy. " A man's house is his castle; and whilst he is quiet, he is as well guarded as a prince in his castle. " -Otis James. The government has no "compelling governmental interest" in banning salvia so they have no reason to ban it.

Long story short: 1. Violation of the 10th Amendment. 2. Violation of personal privacy. 3. No compelling governmental interest in banning the substance 4. What i do in my home is my business and the government has no right or reason, and as long as im not hurting anyone else, to interfere.
 
I felt better after smoking salvia than I do with pot, actually.
I dont like the way pot makes me feel.

Its not illegal here in CA yet though, so hooray for that! I wouldnt be suprised if it happens soon though.
 
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