Late night rush ;) - DMT

[EarthBounded]

Hey group thought this one was worth sharing not to intense but I'm excited!!
I am going to do a self trial with a tincture of DMT to see if this will work sublingually so an all natural - no chemical tek can be achieved. Lab grade deemers are awesome , however I want to see what a tincture will do, some of my best trips were a tincture of Psilocybin mushrooms so I hope this works.

Now to the fun part yesterday I received 100g Psychotria Viridis, it went to my fucking neighbors house he opened it then brought it to me.... Thanks postman lol!

When midnight struck I started whipping up a tincure with Frozen bacardi 151 ( nothing higher than 151 in my area ) and Psychotria Viridis, I put them in a mason jar then really worked the plants and kind of beat them down and mixed them with the alcohol with my hands getting as much plant as I could covered by as little alcohol as possible. Sealed her up and taped it popped it in the freezer.

Hour passes... its 2am by now and I have been up since 9am so a good 16-17 hours ( I do not take any uppers or meds ) and all of a sudden I just started waking up and having waves of energy, 15 minutes passed of reading forums and I felt tired so I tried to lay down and go to sleep.

Then it hit... A super mild experience similar to half tab of L approx 45mcg LSD-25. I was having a blast!!! I was having super mild hallucinations and tons of fractal closed eye visuals and this lasted a whole hour.

I made it to bed at 4am and woke up feeling awesome....


Potential!

btw I am looking for an alternative to ayahuasca, I have Liver and intestine problems and I will not be ingesting any MAOI plant or anything effecting my liver or possibly inducing severe vomiting, I just cant and wont try it would be torture and dangerous if I started puking I have permanent pain . A tincture captures the spiritual essence of a plant so lets hope 'spirt'

 

[Anon0631]

Maybe I'm reading something wrong but I'm not clear whether you swallowed any tincture or whether you didn't and think this effect was caused by accidental transdermal dosing while you were preparing the tincture.

 

[Solipsis]

You think you extracted enough DMT by soaking a plant in freezing temperature spirits, then held it under your tongue and/or swallowed it or just had it absorb transdermally (I am not sure what you meant about that part either), then the DMT survived your MAO enzymes for over an hour before it started working?

 

[EarthBounded]

Alright, all I have done so far is blend the leaves with the spirits, However these leaves are very dry and very thin, I kneaded the leaved with my hands soaked in the alcohol to grind up and thoroughly mix the spirt and plant I really worked these with my hands and if I absorbed anything it was through my hands, this is entirely possible. So is a placebo effect I understand that, however I have not ingested any physcoactive material in over a month and this was an incredibly noticeable difference. Could have been placebo just sharing my experience the real test is to come within 2 days.

It is all taped up in my freezer and I am going to do a few more shakes and strain tonight at midnight letting it soak for 24 hours. I am a master tincure brewer and the freezer is the way to go. I will be evaporating off some of the spirits in the freezer as well to get rid of approx 90% of the excess alcohol getting it to a goo I will mix with Flour and a hint of sugar, this will be rolled up in a ball and left to sit under my tounge.

Blast off no Maoi will be needed, no naptha, No lye ....

There is a severe lack of info with DMT tincutres. I will take care of that.

The only flaw with this tek is the inability to measure dose... that will need to be done by trial and error.

The reason I am confident this will work is because it is going through the bloodstream just like you dont need an MAOI with IV dmt.

 

[Solipsis]

It's a shame you do not add any acid like vinegar, because the DMT will exist mostly as the tannin - even if you had properly powdered your P. Viridis to allow the DMT to escape the plant structure the tannate probably has limited solubility especially if the alcohol is less than pure, let alone the solubility of other funky alkaloids that could orally activate the DMT.


Sublingual administration may take a number minutes for the DMT to pass into the blood stream, but with IV or vaporized DMT there are massive amounts going there almost instantly.

So you are administering limited amounts of DMT that are set up to reach the brain gradually. Let's say you better hope those MAOIs in the P. Viridis work miracles because otherwise that MAO is going to metabolize the shit out of it. : p

I appreciate that you want to do it the natural way, but I hope you aren't overlooking the necessity of a few factors. Maybe using something like d-limonene would be an improvement - check the DMT Nexus where they have preceded you with many of these sorts of experiments.
Might be a bit bold to try and improve on that with a casual booze tincture, if you are successful don't forget to go show off there.

 

[EarthBounded]

So you are administering limited amounts of DMT that are set up to reach the brain gradually. Let's say you better hope those MAOIs in the P. Viridis work miracles because otherwise that MAO is going to metabolize the shit out of it. : p

Solipsis - Are you confirming that a tincture is indeed processed by the Liver?
I did alot of searching and cannot find out if a DMT tincture will even be rapidly metabolized by MAO, or be fully active because of bloodstream administration

My personal belief is a tincture enters the bloodstream rapidly. It takes about 5 minutes to peak incredibly hard on a professional psilocybin tincture. So I believe the DMT will enter rapidly.

I really want to know if MAOI is needed with a tincture, no where online will confirm this.

I checked DMT-Nexus and it seemed the people who tried DMT tinctures were not using only sports.

I guess we will find out, I will update after this weekend

 

[Solipsis]

I've had mushroom trips that come on that quickly, I'm pretty sure you mean 'come on incredibly hard', it's bad pharm speak to claim that you would peak instantly. Semantics, of course, but it is a bit hyperbolic.

I think that after sublingual administration the blood that absorbed the blood passes back through the veins to the heart where it is then spread throughout the body, including the brain but also liver.
The limiting rate is probably speed of absorption into the blood which is limited compared to IV, and smoking but the consequent route is the same.
With oral administration there is the first pass effect where drugs go through the portal artery (IIRC) to the liver so that is a pretty big metabolic ambush.

However the liver is not the only place with MAO and with sublingual administration you still need a big enough dose to overcome breakdown and reach active levels fast enough. And that is mainly the concern I'd have.

Please someone with more anatomical knowledge correct me if I'm wrong.

Even if your plan doesn't work someone who has enough DMT to play with could do a test making a tincture with pure DMT and alcohol to see if it's possible.

 

[vibrancy3]

Even if your plan doesn't work someone who has enough DMT to play with could do a test making a tincture with pure DMT and alcohol to see if it's possible.

That would be a cool test. Also op you stick to the stb / ab teks and you will get decent results. If your part of / lurker of nexus you should know this!

 

[kidklmx]

I know one of the Virola resins works sublingually, but it's very hard to find a proper source for the stuff

(btw, for information on stuff like this DMT-Nexus is the place to go. Those guys are always looking at little experiments with DMT)


EDIT: Well, I found this, but he had to use an MAOI to make it active..

EDIT 2: Virola Calophylla seems to be the one, but you need Calcium Hydroxide for it to work (not sure about the mechanism behind that)

 

[EarthBounded]

I know one of the Virola resins works sublingually, but it's very hard to find a proper source for the stuff

(btw, for information on stuff like this DMT-Nexus is the place to go. Those guys are always looking at little experiments with DMT)


EDIT: Well, I found this, but he had to use an MAOI to make it active..

EDIT 2: Virola Calophylla seems to be the one, but you need Calcium Hydroxide for it to work (not sure about the mechanism behind that)

edit 1- I have read over that tek before it seems he is using freebase and acetates not actual plant matter. He only had one trial with no MAOI and that was directly placing freebase under his tongue this is completely different than a tincture with absorption
edit 2- Cool tip, I didnt know that,

Vibrancy3- I am trying to make an all natural item no solvents or chems.

Solipsis We will just need to wait and find out , I will post a report this weekend, thanks for your input.
btw I used a pint of spirit per 50g leaf this is evaporating in a freezer right now and I am bring the fluid amount down to 1/4 ounce so 1/4 of a shot glass, it will be very potent then mixed with flour and sugar so it doesnt burn and taste terrible like 151.

 

[Anon0631]

^ Ethanol is both a solvent and a chemical.

 

[kidklmx]

Yeah not sure if your read True Hallucinations, but I'm guessing that's probably what's used in the elusive Oo-Koo-Hé. I wouldn't order it anyway, mostly the natives keep the resin for themselves and you end up with a very expensive bag of wood

Anyway, I think it should work, albeit with a large dosage. Nasal DMT fumerate works too (these ROAs don't differ too much right?), but you need large amounts (>100mg) to get to even a ++

 

[EarthBounded]

^ Ethanol is both a solvent and a chemical.

Valid point, I should say food grade ingestible.
For instance you cannot drink naptha so I wont use it.

Yeah not sure if your read True Hallucinations, but I'm guessing that's probably what's used in the elusive Oo-Koo-Hé. I wouldn't order it anyway, mostly the natives keep the resin for themselves and you end up with a very expensive bag of wood

Anyway, I think it should work, albeit with a large dosage. Nasal DMT fumerate works too (these ROAs don't differ too much right?), but you need large amounts (>100mg) to get to even a ++

I havent read true hallucinations but I should I am a McKenna fan. Thank you I will look into Oo-Koo-He

 

[kidklmx]

The Wiki article on it doesn't seem to match with the description of Terrence, it's a sort of package of unknown plants which makes for an active oral DMT experience. There is probably MAOI involved, but the DMT part of it could be of interest if you don't want to make a DMT salt or acetate or whater.

Should note that in the end Oo-Koo-Hé was a disappointing experience for him and the group*, and that's probably what you're in for too with this experiment. Def. psychedelic, but nowhere near as close as to what IV'd/vaped or oral with an MAOI would bring you. I think the harmalas make Ayahausca what it is, and DMT only works like it does because of the ROA.

*it was the reason he and Dennis traveled to the Amazon in the first place, but they ended up being hypnotized by mushrooms. Those travels did form the basis of The Invisible Landscape though

 

[EarthBounded]

For anyone who watched this thread, the outcome of the DMT Tincture was poor, the DMT Starts to react then cuts off after about 5-7 minutes the after effects are still evident but no break through.

Thankfully I had my Self-prepared Yopo snuff on hand, and had a night that was out of this world.

Kinda bummed about the tincture, on top of it I accidentally dropped my last .25g of freebase because I was trying to smoke it out of a pop can and the whole I made popped up and shot shit everywhere, beggers cant be choosers lol, I left my bowl at my buddys.

Yopo saved it!

 

[vibrancy3]

Earthbound i do suggest keeping it basic and to extract using a stb tek with mimosa hostills (and to produce a NN-DMT freebase, not a tincture) that be if you are chasing a breakthrough via any certain method and not just tincture without an MAO inhibitor to break down the enzymes (like shambles previously mentioned if i recollect)

Best of luck with your journey through

 

[Solipsis]

Or: try again with the tincture on top of MAOIs.

 

[xx001]

You would probably be better off doing a full extraction and then plugging a dmt solution. Sublingual administration is probably just too slow.

 

[Solipsis]

With MAOI present, slow is not a problem anymore though...

 

[shakan27]

For anyone who watched this thread, the outcome of the DMT Tincture was poor, the DMT Starts to react then cuts off after about 5-7 minutes the after effects are still evident but no break through.

Thankfully I had my Self-prepared Yopo snuff on hand, and had a night that was out of this world.

Kinda bummed about the tincture, on top of it I accidentally dropped my last .25g of freebase because I was trying to smoke it out of a pop can and the whole I made popped up and shot shit everywhere, beggers cant be choosers lol, I left my bowl at my buddys.

Yopo saved it!

so your trying to make a tincture of DMT cause you want it to be all natural but you will smoke DMT out of a pop can? lol