Lasting psychological problems from psychedelics

[Phoenix_rising]

I`m not misinformed,in the 60`s there was a lot of acid doing the rounds that was dosed at 500 micrograms,it definitley tapered down over the years,but the 500 microgram dosage was the benchmark for a proper full on trip.

Thats why in the 90`s we used to double drop or even triple drop purple ohms to try and recreate a trip of our hippy counterparts of the 60`s,we knew our acid wasn`t as strong,even some of our aging hippy teachers told us this...Like Jim Morrison said "break on through to the other side".

A single dose of LSD may be between 100 and 500 micrograms—an amount roughly equal to one-tenth the mass of a grain of sand. Threshold effects can be felt with as little as 25 micrograms of LSD.[6][6][12] Dosages of LSD are measured in micrograms (µg), or millionths of a gram. By comparison, dosages of most drugs, both recreational and medicinal, are measured in milligrams (mg), or thousandths of a gram. For example, an active dose of mescaline, roughly 0.2 to 0.5g, has effects comparable to 100 µg or less of LSD.[3]

Typical doses in the 1960s ranged from 200 to 1000 µg while street samples of the 1970s contained 30 to 300 µg. By the 1980s, the amount had reduced to between 100 to 125 µg, lowering more in the 1990s to the 20–80 µg range [13], and even more in the 2000s.[14] [15]

 

[Phoenix_rising]

I have asked a well known pharmacologist of psychedelics who was around in the 60`s to see what he knew of LSD dosages back then.It seems that the information that i have aquired over the years has been distorted,dosages of 500mcg where not unheard of but where not the norm.

This is what the pharmacologist had to say:

500 mcg would be a very high dose. LSD dosages routinely were about 100 mcg, but some of Owsley's stuff, like orange sunshine was supposed to contain more, maybe 250-300. These would be high doses. But a lot of folks pushed the envelope and took multiple doses. I guarantee you, if an average person took 300 mcg, it would be quite an adventure. The Rolling Stones song with the lyrics "2,000 light years from home" was rumored to be talking about 2,000 mcgs. And I knew one woman who took "22 purple microdots" to celebrate her 22nd birthday. She said she was high for a week.

I think i have taken what those who pushed the envelope with multiple doses to be as a single dose.

This has been really good though to learn about.

 

[Splitz]

I have had psychological problems because of life.

psychedelics have helped these if anything.

 

[Ismene]

And yes acid is acid,but if your being sold only 50 to 100 micrograms as a dose then your not getting what was intended as a proper full on acid trip,500 micrograms is the average dose for a good blotter,and it also has to be clean acid,sometimes you get dirty shit which has other elements to it.

500 mics is a very heavy dose of acid phoenix. Way too much for most people.

I'm not sure about the idea of "clean acid". There's no such thing as "dirty" or "clean" LSD-25 - it's either LSD-25 or it isn't. There's very few other molecules you could fit on a blotter that would somehow overwhelm the acid and make it feel "dirty".

I think the whole "dirty" and "clean" idea is just people confusing the effects of LSD. LSD can have an enormous range of effects - if it's a nice sunny day and you're out in nature it can feel "clean" and if you're sat in a dirty room on a cloudy day the same dose may feel "dirty".

Owsley once mixed the same dose of acid and then put it on different coloured blotters just to test the theories people came up with. He heard "The red blotter is righteously mellow, while the yellow blotter is a bummer, and the green blotter is clean". He laughed at the bollocks people were coming up with to describe exactly the same acid.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

This is what i meant by dirty acid:

Its possible that poorly synthesized LSD might have other ergot derivatives in it, which might contribute to the harsh body load that some get on taking LSD. Also, the very close chemical relatives 1-Methyl-LSD and 1-Acetyl-LSD (which break down into LSD in aqueous solution) might be present in some street samples and might contribute to the harsh body load.

 

[SecondPull]

had a bad trip on DMT last night. got stuck in a loop. felt like i had lost my mind. feeling very weird and anxious at the moment, i hope this feeling goes away. was my fault for doing it in the wrong setting, now im paying the price. hope i havnt got fucking PTSD or something. was feeling ok earlier, but graually anxiety has come in waves and now im not feeling good. thank fuck i havnt got work tomorrow

This happened to me after a bad candyflip about a month ago...it took a couple weeks to get over (I absolutely lost my mind and was sure I had unleashed some kind of latent schizophrenia), but it does pass. I agree, the anxiety can feel a bit PTSD-ey, but don't fret about it too much--do some things to take your mind off it and stop ruminating (sports, meditation, hanging with friends, etc.). I can really sympathize, but I wouldn't freak out too much.

 

[Aloysius]

I'm not sure about the idea of "clean acid". There's no such thing as "dirty" or "clean" LSD-25 - it's either LSD-25 or it isn't. There's very few other molecules you could fit on a blotter that would somehow overwhelm the acid and make it feel "dirty".

I think the whole "dirty" and "clean" idea is just people confusing the effects of LSD. LSD can have an enormous range of effects - if it's a nice sunny day and you're out in nature it can feel "clean" and if you're sat in a dirty room on a cloudy day the same dose may feel "dirty".

Owsley once mixed the same dose of acid and then put it on different coloured blotters just to test the theories people came up with. He heard "The red blotter is righteously mellow, while the yellow blotter is a bummer, and the green blotter is clean". He laughed at the bollocks people were coming up with to describe exactly the same acid.

thank you very much for posting this, it confirms prior suspicions of mine. i have been wondering about the 'dirty vs clean acid' talk for a while, but couldn't find much searching and didn't want to bother making a thread. so thanks!

 

[Ismene]

That Owlsley story is a cracker isn't it

 

[Phoenix_rising]

It all depends on what you see as dirty vs clean acid.I totally understand the power of suggestion,especially when it comes to LSD.

But this is what i mean by dirty acid,the science not the suggestion.

Its possible that poorly synthesized LSD might have other ergot derivatives in it, which might contribute to the harsh body load that some get on taking LSD,which could be percieved as being dirty and not clean. Also, the very close chemical relatives 1-Methyl-LSD and 1-Acetyl-LSD (which break down into LSD in aqueous solution) might be present in some street samples and might contribute to the harsh body load.