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Last Drops in an LSD Vial More Potent?

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folding_space

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Yesterday, I took three drops of L from a vial that I've had for some time now and experienced a much stronger trip than what I had expected. I've taken 3 drops from this exact vial at least 3 or 4 times before, and this experience was easily 25% to 50% more intense than any of the preceding ones, despite being in a very comfortable and familiar setting (at home, with my girlfriend and two good friends, etc.). The others had similar amounts from this vial (three or two drops) and also reported experiences that were significantly more intense than what they were expecting, though only my girlfriend had experienced the same dose before.

Great times were had by all, thanks to a good amount of trip experience and generally calm dispositions, but we were left wondering what had happened. The only theory we could come up with is that the solution remaining in the vial, which is now less than 20% full, has become more concentrated over time, but I'm not sure that this explanation makes sense given the incredibly low solute-to-solvent ratio in an LSD solution.

Has anyone heard about this or experienced it before? I'd like to get some sort of an explanation so that I can properly adjust my dosage the next time I use this L.
 
Drops do not make for consistent volumetric measurement. You probably simply angled the nozzle of the dropper differently in a consistent way between you and the others and you all got more. If the vial is sealed it didn't evaporate and become more concentrated. Also, I don't understand how you are saying the vial is 20 percent full yet in your title you imply these are the "last drops". If you quantify a dose from this vial in drops and what the estimated original volume of the vial was in drops as well as further describe the vial itself it might also help people understand what could have gone wrong.
 
Scientifically speaking I dont think this is possible although someone might be able to prove me wrong. It could be concidence, you could have all just been in a good state of mind or it could just be you had a very nice set and setting. As said up there I dont think it is a very good way of dosing L and everytime you may be intaking different doses. Describe the situation fuller and people may be able to give you some more info
 
In my experience, longer a vial is sitting around, the more potent it seems to get, and I've always attributed this to evaporation.

My guy gave me some once out of a vial I knew he had sitting around for a few months, and I had some of it when he first got it top. Was a lot stronger after a few months.
 
Evapouration would be one reason but there is also the crystal deposits on the inside of the container. It is why you really need to be careful doing a washout of an empty vial.... I did one a few weeks ago and I've seen more than one person lose their shit doing this. I wouldn't be surprised if those last few drops don't pick up enough extra crystal to give them a bit more of a boost.
 
psood0nym said:
Drops do not make for consistent volumetric measurement. You probably simply angled the nozzle of the dropper differently in a consistent way between you and the others and you all got more. If the vial is sealed it didn't evaporate and become more concentrated. Also, I don't understand how you are saying the vial is 20 percent full yet in your title you imply these are the "last drops". If you quantify a dose from this vial in drops and what the estimated original volume of the vial was in drops as well as further describe the vial itself it might also help people understand what could have gone wrong.
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What approach would you recommend other than using drops? I don't exactly live in a lab, so my options as far as dosing acid are pretty limited.

The "vial" is a plastic breath drop container with a dropper on the end. I was told that it should have 100 drops at 100 mics each, though obviously, neither of these numbers is going to be perfectly accurate. I understand that drops can vary significantly in size, but I've used this dropper and this solution many times before, so I have a fairly good idea how much the intensity varies from time to time, and this trip was definitely outside that range.

The drops were not literally the last drops in the container. This was simply an expedient of speech that I figured wouldn't matter since there is a more detailed explanation in my post. The vial was at 15-20% of its original volume.

Thanks for the info, guys. Evaporation and precipitation through crystallization seem like good explanations. I'll of course repeat the experiment under the same conditions (as much as possible) and see if the result is similar or even more intense (since the volume is now even lower).
 
folding_space said:
What approach would you recommend other than using drops? I don't exactly live in a lab, so my options as far as dosing acid are pretty limited.

The "vial" is a plastic breath drop container with a dropper on the end. I was told that it should have 100 drops at 100 mics each, though obviously, neither of these numbers is going to be perfectly accurate. I understand that drops can vary significantly in size, but I've used this dropper and this solution many times before, so I have a fairly good idea how much the intensity varies from time to time, and this trip was definitely outside that range.

The drops were not literally the last drops in the container. This was simply an expedient of speech that I figured wouldn't matter since there is a more detailed explanation in my post. The vial was at 15-20% of its original volume.

Thanks for the info, guys. Evaporation and precipitation through crystallization seem like good explanations. I'll of course repeat the experiment under the same conditions (as much as possible) and see if the result is similar or even more intense (since the volume is now even lower).
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Convert "drops" to insulin units by back-loading your breath drop container into an insulin syringe, counting the number of drops as you go. Wash out the sweet breath container with X insulin units of water or ethanol from another syringe and back-load it into the first syringe you emptied the breath drop container into to conserve any LSD that adhered to the side of the breath drop container. Keep track of the volumetric units per mics of LSD by the markings on the side of the syringe and use whatever units it works out to for dispensing. I'm sort of seeing double right now but I think that makes sense.
 
psood0nym said:
Convert "drops" to insulin units by back-loading your breath drop container into an insulin syringe, counting the number of drops as you go. Wash out the sweet breath container with X insulin units of water or ethanol from another syringe and back-load it into the first syringe you emptied the breath drop container into to conserve any LSD that adhered to the side of the breath drop container. Keep track of the volumetric units per mics of LSD by the markings on the side of the syringe and use whatever units it works out to for dispensing. I'm sort of seeing double right now but I think that makes sense.
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Damn. I'm impressed. That actually seems like a great solution. I don't think I would bother with it for acid, since I'm OK with the variance that I've encountered so far (other than this last trip), but I'll definitely keep it in mind in case I find myself dealing with a substance that has a much steeper dose response curve, like 25I-NBOMe.

In case anyone is curious, I'll report back once I've tried dosing from this vial again.
 
Glad to be of service. Yeah, insulin syringes should be in every potent drug user's tool box, even if they don't inject. They have pretty precise units right on the side, and you get every last drop whether you're drawing up liquid from a vial or squirting it out of the syringe. They're also cheap and fairly easy to get a hold of for non-lab tech types. If you pick up those NBOMes you can use syringes for liquid insufflation, too. I weigh out around 10 mg of something like 25C and then dissolve in X insulin units of water such that 10 units = 250 mg, and then draw up 10 units (for U-100 syringes 100 units = 1 mL, I believe, so 10 units = 0.1 mL). Then I cut the very end of the syringe cap off so that when the cap is put back on the needle it creates an open-ended safety sheath extending just beyond the length of the needle. I test the syringe with normal water to make sure the squirt stream comes straight out without hitting the lip of the sheath. Then the NBOMe solution loaded sheathed syringe is stuck up my nostril and I squirt the solution straight in. The pressure of the stream is strong enough that I don't even have to snort, and the volume of the solution is low enough that I don't have to worry about it overflowing the nasal cavity and dripping back out or down the back of my throat. It deposits the dose exactly where you want it. Then I just do the same until I get to 750 ug - 1 mg. Onset is rapid for liquid insufflated 25C so even if your mg scale is somewhat off for the original 10 mg you can still precisely titrate up this way in safely small steps until you know how many units = where you want to be. [I already posted this method and it was confirmed as successful by others in one of the NBOMe threads but I figured plenty of people have overlooked that post at this point]
 
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Am I? Hmm ... all of that seems blatantly obvious to me. This may be why I sometimes come off as confrontational. I have my own kind of ignorance. Edit: this is me apologizing, er, I don't know what the fuck this is.
 
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psood0nym said:
Hmm ... all of that seems blatantly obvious to me. This may be why I sometimes come off as confrontational. I have my own kind of ignorance. Edit: this is me apologizing.
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One of the great things about the diversity exhibited in human intelligence, is our differing forms of intuition, observation and creativity.

There are quite a few facets of life that I'm completely oblivious too, that majority of people are not. But when it comes to some subjects, it all just makes sense to me so easily. I've been asked before "How can you be so smart, yet so stupid sometimes".... *mutters* just different areas of intelligence being invoked by different tasks. My failures just happen to be in ones most people don't fail in :/
 
Busty St Clare said:
Evapouration would be one reason but there is also the crystal deposits on the inside of the container. It is why you really need to be careful doing a washout of an empty vial.... I did one a few weeks ago and I've seen more than one person lose their shit doing this. I wouldn't be surprised if those last few drops don't pick up enough extra crystal to give them a bit more of a boost.
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Exactly this bold bit ^

The precipitation of LSD on the side of a vial is not only a function of the same evaporation you already mentioned but it would pretty much only happen if there is no swirling, swooshing or shaking during a lot of evaporation.

If a solution is saturated, which liquid LSD is not (not by a long shot) you can expect significant precipitation. Without saturation I wouldn't expect crystals to set on the side, let alone any crystal that is visible to the naked eye. That's not a very credible thing. ;)
 
Update

As promised, I've dosed from this vial again, and the results were similar to last time. My girlfriend and I had two and three drops, respectively, and both tripped much harder than what we normally experience with these doses. In fact, I tripped even harder than last time.

The setting was a bit different, since we were at a friend's house rather than at home, but I've tripped there a number of times, know the lay of the land and the people involved quite well, and don't think this was a major factor. While this doesn't help to clarify the physical mechanism involved in making the acid more potent, I'm inclined to treat it as confirmation that some sort of a change really did take place. If you're nearing the bottom of an acid vial, especially one that was gradually consumed over an extended period of time and may not be airtight, be careful as the acid may have gotten SUBSTANTIALLY more potent.
 
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