Kundalini Awakening - "You can't force a seed to sprout"

[25I_am_so_wonderfu]

You cant force a seed to sprout but you can force a lot of research chemicals into the bodily cavatiies of a small dead Asian child on your way back into the US from your "vacation" to China. Certain labs in China if you know what I'm getting at.

 

[eye_wide_open]

Right.......... Ok.............
I thought that we might be able to have a discussion, you know, rather than you just having a monolog.

It's interesting that you weren't able to entertain my ideas, yet you act all patronizing and say "BINGO!" when I take the small leap of imagination and entertain your ideas.
I'll leave you alone............... We're obviously not speaking on the same level - I find philosophy that challenges my preconceptions; you find youtube videos that confirm your preconceptions (ignoring the parts that don't).
Indeed, "You cant force a seed to sprout" -- maybe you need to sprout as much as some of the people who you think that you're talking to. Other posters in this thread have made much more enlightening posts than you, I'm sorry to say - yet you seem to be so sure of having "sprouted" - whilst spouting any old conspiracy theories and pseudo-Eastern philosophy that is popular in 2012, for fuck's sake. In ten years, all of your conspiracy theories will be old-hat, or you'll stick with them, and turn into someone like Icke - if you haven't already.
What is great about McKenna, and why he was - and is - so liked, is that he didn't say "I was told this, I was told that, I saw aliens" -- but he spoke about universal concepts, ideas - you speak entirely in the first person - as though your experiences should mean anything to other people. They are interesting, but they have no basis in any sound philosophy - and are easily dismissed by even a most basic glance at philosophy.

McKenna was reading Jung at age 13...........

Did I ask for your ideas? No.
Somebody else asked mine.


..and you are wrong again.
I Did entertain your idea.
but I did not entertain your forum suggestion.

Sir,
I'm sick as hell from drugs, and having a hard time getting my doctors to believe it.
I'm not going to go back and fourth with you if you don't like my thoughts.
"I don't give a shit".

I'm perfectly capable of having absolutely normal conversation, when I chose.

 

[dmtlunatic]

You seem like a very nice person. I've deleted my posts so that your vision isn't corrupted with my words. It has had no effect whatsoever upon the flow of the conversation - since there was none - you were simply talking to yourself; as always, it seems. [You only know unity, remember - don't get angry with me, because I am YOU!]

 

[eye_wide_open]

You seem like a very nice person. I've deleted my posts so that your vision isn't corrupted with my words. It has had no effect whatsoever upon the flow of the conversation - since there was none - you were simply talking to yourself; as always, it seems. [You only know unity, remember - don't get angry with me, because I am YOU!]

Hahaha
That's rich.
Another that can't grasp the concept.
I don't let people like you bug me anymore. I have much better things to do, I can assure you.
You are the one with the problem with me.
I'm ok with that.

 

[dmtlunatic]

Ok. So you believe all of this because the aliens told you it directly. Fair enough.

Would you have believed it if a person had told you all of this directly? (The aliens had to tell it to you, for you to believe it - so why do you expect other people to believe it, when you try to tell them?

(You didn't believe this kind of thing when it was told to you by other humans; though people have been talking like this for decades -- Icke, for example).

So why do you imagine that you can tell other people?

Are you the alien's messenger on Earth? Are you the only one, or are there other human messengers for these aliens?
How do you know that the aliens were benign, and how do you know that they were telling you the truth?

Why would you rather believe the words of an alien race; rather than the words of members of your own species?
You do not appear to have questioned them at all; but to have accepted everything that they have told you as truth. Maybe they were lying to you?

Maybe their intent for you, and for humanity, is not friendly. You certainly don't seem to have fared well with your health, as you mentioned - maybe it is connected? You also mention that it is lucky that you have not been locked up on a psychiatric ward.

Maybe they use MXE like we use rat poison; and maybe you are encouraging other people towards insanity, and premature death.

 

[eye_wide_open]

Ok. So you believe all of this because the aliens told you it directly. Fair enough.

Would you have believed it if a person had told you all of this directly? (The aliens had to tell it to you, for you to believe it - so why do you expect other people to believe it, when you try to tell them?

(You didn't believe this kind of thing when it was told to you by other humans; though people have been talking like this for decades -- Icke, for example).

So why do you imagine that you can tell other people?

Are you the alien's messenger on Earth? Are you the only one, or are there other human messengers for these aliens?
How do you know that the aliens were benign, and how do you know that they were telling you the truth?

Why would you rather believe the words of an alien race; rather than the words of members of your own species?
You do not appear to have questioned them at all; but to have accepted everything that they have told you as truth. Maybe they were lying to you?

Maybe their intent for you, and for humanity, is not friendly. You certainly don't seem to have fared well with your health, as you mentioned - maybe it is connected? You also mention that it is lucky that you have not been locked up on a psychiatric ward.

Maybe they use MXE like we use rat poison; and maybe you are encouraging other people towards insanity, and premature death.

Excuse me...
Can you even read?
Obviously not. You must have major comprehension problems or something.
I don't know exactly WHO did it.
I'm quite clear it was "THE ALIENS OR GOD".

There's one major thing here you have wrong again.

YOU are trying to tell ME what I experienced.
I'm afraid you can't do that.

Try again, dude.
..and personally, I don't care how you explain it to yourself.

Not to mention, I didn't encourage anyone to use anything.
In fact, my message is "BE FUCKING CAREFUL, don't do what I did."
But you missed that, too.

Lol, good day.
Watlzing circles around you trying to make me look like an idiot is a blast.
Things to do, people to see.

 

[dmtlunatic]

I'm quite clear it was "THE ALIENS OR GOD".

Oh....... I feel really silly now!!!

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[mahoosive bendah]

Ok. So you believe all of this because the aliens told you it directly. Fair enough.

Would you have believed it if a person had told you all of this directly? (The aliens had to tell it to you, for you to believe it - so why do you expect other people to believe it, when you try to tell them?

(You didn't believe this kind of thing when it was told to you by other humans; though people have been talking like this for decades -- Icke, for example).

So why do you imagine that you can tell other people?

Are you the alien's messenger on Earth? Are you the only one, or are there other human messengers for these aliens?
How do you know that the aliens were benign, and how do you know that they were telling you the truth?

Why would you rather believe the words of an alien race; rather than the words of members of your own species?
You do not appear to have questioned them at all; but to have accepted everything that they have told you as truth. Maybe they were lying to you?

Maybe their intent for you, and for humanity, is not friendly. You certainly don't seem to have fared well with your health, as you mentioned - maybe it is connected? You also mention that it is lucky that you have not been locked up on a psychiatric ward.

Maybe they use MXE like we use rat poison; and maybe you are encouraging other people towards insanity, and premature death.

You have to admit these are all good / valid points and you failed to address any of them.

Its a shame dmtlunatic is now an exbluelighter, coz he just pissed all over you

the bit about youtube videos was a highlight too

 

[eye_wide_open]

I find it funny you guys can't even make any sense.

I will gladly entertain a conversation, but I'm not to be belligerently berated by ignorance.

You have to admit these are all good / valid points and you failed to address any of them.

I'm not going to admit something that is bullshit, because I did address some of these points.

See?

Not to mention, I didn't encourage anyone to use anything.
In fact, my message is "BE FUCKING CAREFUL, don't do what I did."
But you missed that, too.

Now what part of that didn't satisfy you?
Do you expect me to satisfy your every need?
You have another thing coming, then.

All you got on me is taking shots at my health.
If you guys get a kick out of "pissing all over" unhealthy people, I don't know what next to say. lol. I guess I just hope it satisfies your massive egos.

I'm pretty sure this thread is about third eye and kundalini type stuff.
Why can't we keep it that way? If this is a psychedelic forum and nobody can feel the love, I'm afraid earth is in serious trouble.

Fifteen years ago, the internet used to be a much more friendly and helpful place to be.
People like you guys are ruining it for the rest of us.

It's not my job to make you believe in the Kundalini.
I can ignore you if I don't like something you say. I don't have to answer anything.

DMTLUNATIC admitted he hasn't even done MXE.
I've done DMT and MXE both. Many times. In combination with acid and other things.
I guess I have more experience than him to comment about the differences.

DMT didn't open my kundalini. MXE did.
In that sense, I don't expect DMTLUNATIC to understand me at all.
He has no experience with what happened to me.
Only I can explain what happened to me.

I'd like to see somebody else come on here and fully explain their kundalini experience as I have. You guys are lucky I've taken my time to do so. With your short sightedness, I don't expect any respect from you. Open your eyes and hearts, and try again.

 

[RobotRipping]

lol.

EWO i think the part you failed to address was, what if the messages you were sent were lies? and my question is how can you distinguish these messages as different than the messages one receives while blatantly schizophrenic?

During my few psychotic breaks I can tell you i received many messages, from God as well, telling me that i would become the messiah and would save humanity. I'd also received messages from banks about protecting their security and received messages from the CIA as they were recruiting psychics. I received the messages in a similar way as you, it happened after i opened up my soul on 2c-i binge (along with DXM here and there) and i can now relate that experience to opening my kundalini. Unfortunately i had to close it back up or face possible institutionalization because the world does not know how to deal with such people.

Now the fun question is, was i crazy or was i perceiving things that others were blind to? Seriously, it's impossible to answer this. It's clear that i was crazy but there's also the possibility that i was actually being recruited by the CIA for my psychic powers lol. I'll never really know. Of course whatever evidence i had at the time i cleverly destroyed while fucked up and have zero evidence. What i do know is that life felt magical, wonderful and i was happy, crazy happy, perhaps manic and although i had to put a lid on it to function as a human being, i will always wonder if there was more to that experience.

I can go more in depth with my experience and see how it compares to others experience. When i get some time i'll read up on what happened to others once they unleashed their kundalini power and see if their experiences align with mine.

 

[eye_wide_open]

HE OPENED MY EYES.
He is smarter than YOU ALL.
YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO HIM.

Now that's a bit too far...
You fail to listen, yet again. You need comprehension lessons.
You are wrong if you think I'm asking for any sort of followers.
Many people are blowing this well out of proportion and taking ever word I say as they wish to take it.
I'm just going to flat out ignore people who are playing this game.

I respect people who are able to tackle this issue with any amount of maturity and will reply to those people from now on.

EWO i think the part you failed to address was, what if the messages you were sent were lies? and my question is how can you distinguish these messages as different than the messages one receives while blatantly schizophrenic?

Of course a doctor will tell you that you are crazy if you tell him you know of another world.
Think about it.

Find a doctor who believes in the Kundalini, and I'll go see him to see if I'm schitzo. Deal?
I'll do it for fun.

But you know that's not going to happen. You and I both know, any doctor you brought that subject up to would label you crazy instantly, because they've been through years of school and have been brought up on the lie and would never even sit back and humor me enough to get through the explanation at hand before prescribing me 20 different pills and throwing me in a rubber room.

I know people who are diagnosed schizo and they sit here telling me I'm not schizophrenic.

Now the fun question is, was i crazy or was i perceiving things that others were blind to? Seriously, it's impossible to answer this. It's clear that i was crazy but there's also the possibility that i was actually being recruited by the CIA for my psychic powers lol. I'll never really know. Of course whatever evidence i had at the time i cleverly destroyed while fucked up and have zero evidence. What i do know is that life felt magical, wonderful and i was happy, crazy happy, perhaps manic and although i had to put a lid on it to function as a human being, i will always wonder if there was more to that experience.

Now how can we call somebody crazy on something we have no idea about?!
When is somebody crazy and who draws that line?!
I'm drawing it, and so are my doctors. I'm not crazy, kids. I'm perfectly sane.
I do perfectly normal things all day. I'm fine in that respect, thanks!

You know how many doctors I have seen lately?
That includes psychiatrist to see if I'm insane from Bath Salts use too, you realize this right?

I can go more in depth with my experience and see how it compares to others experience.

Do so as you see fit, but I appreciate it.
You know you'll be dragged all over this forum if you do anyway.
No need to go ruining your name, if you don't want.

I've already dragged my ID all over this forum, yet I keep signing on with the same ID.
I don't need to create multiple fake accounts and hide behind fake usernames.
That's for sure.
If there's one thing I'm going to do about all this,
that is BE REAL.

why can't people say the kundalini is a religious thing and accept it, as they do with "Jesus Christ" and Christianity?
How is what I bring anyone any different than any other religion, in that sense?
Even though, I swear against "religion" to begin with.

People will accept freaks sold on the bible running around shouting bible verses but they can't listen to a guy who took a shitload of drugs and wants to share his experiences?

Fuck that. That's more bullshit that the people sold on the bible verses.
Specially when it comes from others partaking in the same type of shit.

Dudes,
if you don't realize that there is such thing as a NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES forum,
that the same thing happens to people who fall off their motorcycles and almost die..
that the same thing happens to people all messed up in the hospital...

Then you are barking up the wrong tree.

..and sure.. It's perfectly acceptable that the CIA could drug the fuck out of people and see what happens. But not when they didn't take any drugs and got the same vision as me from a motorcycle accident.

How can you explain that to me? Answer me that?
Nobody has tackled that ONCE.

 

[RobotRipping]

what you are claiming really is no different than any religion, it may in fact be more real as you've experienced it yourself. On that note, i also consider that Moses himself was schizophrenic, he had the exact same tendencies that i did. For example he wouldn't let anyone go up the mountain with him, only saw things himself and had no verification lol. Perhaps schizophrenia is just a convenient label we slap on people who do not fit the status quo. Prophets can cause massive change in this world and have in the past so there is support for believing that the powers at be would want to stop a new prophet from rising and a great way to do this is to dope them up on shit loads of medication and leave them in a psych ward for life.

Good post though, those are valid points for sure and are the reasons why i can't be 100% sure i was deluded or that you are now. I'll try to sum up my experience when i have some more time, i can bet they are extremely similar and also similar to any other prophet's experience (not that i consider myself a profit tho lol).

 

[eye_wide_open]

Sorry,

This is the important part.

Dudes,
if you don't realize that there is such thing as a NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES forum,
that the same thing happens to people who fall off their motorcycles and almost die..
that the same thing happens to people all messed up in the hospital...

Then you are barking up the wrong tree.

..and sure.. It's perfectly acceptable that the CIA could drug the fuck out of people and see what happens. But not when they didn't take any drugs and got the same vision as me from a motorcycle accident.

How can you explain that to me? Answer me that?
Nobody has tackled that ONCE.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

I don't oppose this line of conspiracy theories, though I haven't invested enough in them to truly form an educated opinion on their potential validity or bull shittery. I do see though that, IF there are people working to confuse and misguide peoples understanding, THEN many of the sources f or conspiracy know how are polluted bs from the same evil doers...

The trickling of understanding I have in the topic that's come from discussion with friends who've watched all those youtube videos and underground documentaries is that for every hour of conspiracy rambling about all these points you get a few minutes of truth tops. Speculation mostly...and it seems like this area of interest drives the watchers into a frenzy of sorts. Isn't That what They would want? Crazed citizens hunkered down in their basement afraid of reptile humanoids or whatever all the while making no impact on the societal structure...a scarecrow of sorts? Illusion work..?

A good friend mentioned that this whole conspiracy culture is a creation of the nwo/aluminati/etc to create a group of people labelable as "those people". This makes the whole topic less approachable for avg Joe...creatures stratification and more social boundaries not to mention making it possible for very true and powerful info to go dismissed by the masses.

Just be careful the water seems murky to say the least... I'm not saying any of the info is wrong, I simply don't have those answers. But I can, as a neutral third party, express that I want the best for my fellows..and freaking out over potential evil rulers of the world doesn't seem to help much. Unless you can calmly and collectedly approach the information and integrate it into useful emotions that aren't just worry.

We surely need people to dissect this area of knowledge, so I commend the interest. But changing the world doesn't require knowing the constructs of Babylon. It can be helpful, but culminate true intentions and formulate action to bring about harmonious change...fanaticism only forms attachment to theories which will further cloud your view on other things.

Now in reference to what you've experienced through visions or anything which you've tasted the truth of (like personally, not through outside input like videos)..then that's a whole nother deck of cards...one which only you can play from but I do have exp in this and wouldn't dismiss personal revelation, whether drug induced or not lol.


Best wishes friends much love

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

Mine above was aimed more towards godblessed
You seem good natured but perhaps more eccentric than is efficient for conveying your info. And I'm an eccentric mother fucker by nature...but it makes the points less acceptable by others when they are being pelted with them in all caps, seemingly all wide eyed creepy glareish.

Best wishes, by all means I want harmony.

 

[eye_wide_open]

^This.

Well?
Go ahead, smarty pants. Where is your theory on "^This"?

It's quite obvious to me which ones of you are doing this. The same ones who had the same issues with my problems before hiding their names. lol

Sometimes I worry about "our" intelligence.

Ahh, the voice of reason!
..

making it possible for very true and powerful info to go dismissed by the masses.

That's alllll I've been trying to say my friend. The whole time.
"What if". What if they are letting all this go.

The repercussion could be incredibly huge..

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

Oh that's another bler using an alternate account? Jeez, I thought I had "no life" poking around bl regularly lol but using a fake name to post is pretty weird

 

[eye_wide_open]

At any rate..
if I ever disappear forever you guys will know I was right. lol
If I stick around, you'll know I'm full of shit.
Either that, or they have some of you dialed in enough to where you do their own disinformation for them without knowing it.

Honestly, wouldn't be surprised.

Well, people all over the east side of things believe in the Kundalini.
No reason I can't.

 

[RobotRipping]

Either that, or they have some of you dialed in enough to where you do their own disinformation for them without knowing it.

i think this is precisely the case. We are brought up to undermine anyone who goes against the grain. We are taught to be submissive and to obey authoritative figures. Despite being taught critical thinking skills in school, we are shown to only use them when someone else tells us to, and if it's for their benefit. The people at the top would greatly prefer if the masses of people were just like sheep and it's been shown that those in power consider people to be like sheep.

don't think, don't ask questions and oppress anyone who does.

 

[Halif]

Hey again EWO

I posted a while back to say I enjoy reading your posts. Your posts always make me laugh. I don't mean I'm laughing at you or what you're saying because I don't believe you. I mean your words are alive and even when you're writing about something huge and cosmic, or serious and scary (like serious health issues), there is a joyous quality present.

The vitality in your words says more than the words themselves. This is why I believe you.

Peace, and I really hope you feel physically better soon. Take care, man.