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Krokodil now in US

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The horror stories we've heard about the Russian drug krokodil has officially made its way to Arizona. Is this shit going to spread like wildfire across the US like it did in Russia? One of the factors it became so widespread in Russia is because it is synthesized from codeine, which is OTC there, but does anyone think there's any bearing to this crap doing the same thing in the US? It would be a godsend to junkies if it were purified, because desomorphine is easy to make and much more potent than morphine, but the contaminants make it not even worth considering. Any thoughts?
 
^ There's too much good cheap heroin for it to become popular in the US. Do you have any sources that confirm it's in the US now, because it doesn't make sense.
 
Google it. Ever since two days ago, there's hundreds of articles about it. NyTimes, Huffington Post, they've all covered it. Its pretty odd that this stuff has surfaced here in the US. I agree about the heroin, but regardless, its been confirmed in Arizona.
 
We've been having a discussion about this in Drugs in the Media for the past 3 days....The point you're missing is the fact that it only lasts 1.5 hours making it extremely inconvenient when compared to the opiates commonly used in the US and a completely inadequate replacement. Codeine is far from legal OTC, so it wouldn't even have a chance of happening in places with no access to other opiates.
 
I wonder if those cases were of the clean version of it or the krokodil version. They don't say anything about the two cases, like did they OD and then have their blood tested, or did they bring a sample of the drug to be tested? Arizona has some of the cheapest purest tar heroin, so it doesn't make much sense for krokodil to be there of all places. I'm just wondering if the mexicans have set up some labs to make it, but the more proper cleaner way, and are slinging it in the US now.
 
It won't ever become a replacement, but it could still spread. Heroin junkies aren't going to start using it instead of dope, but it could very possibly gain its own little following. Its cheap and can be made in any kitchen with some codeine and hcl, so we already know there's going to be some curious junkies playing around with their script they stole from their dog from when it broke its foot.
 
There's absolutely no telling how they found out that it was krokodil. That's a good question. I just feel like we'll be hearing more and more about this stuff in the coming month's. Just like the Texas cheese epidemic several years back.
 
In a country with over 300 million people, I'm sure there's a lot of things going on that that pretty unbelievable, but unless you could obtain enough codeine, easily enough to do this, I don't see there being much more than a few curious people trying it under very specific circumstances. It takes a few boxes of the OTC shit to even make enough for a few doses.

Pretty sure the amount of codeine contained per pill is much higher by mgs from a US prescription than from Russian OTC counter pills, so you could probably make more out of a codeine script, but even so, literally the only thing making it popular in Russia is the availability of Codeine and the pre-existence of people with Heroin habits that can no longer afford it, which is strange too, because Russia is supposed to be loaded with high purity Afghan dope...you think it would be easier to hold off until you have $10 than to cook Krokodil with $3....They don't have maintenance drugs being prescribed in Russia though, so you cant really hit up your friend for a few Suboxone to get you through....but as an addict, the whole 1.5 hour thing and the whole going into WD every IDK, 2 hours or however long it would take...personally I'd be using the real thing anyway I could...
 
If there was t be an epidemic then we are in for an even bigger and broader ban on opiod substances...
 
Nah, this isn't about to become an epidemic.. We don't have OTC access like Russia does which is why they are able to manufacture so much of it. Plus we've got so much high grade heroin + a much richer country so we don't need to manufacture shitty cheap opiates with horrible impurities that will rot our flesh off. I'm strongly convinced this has no chance of catching on in the US as long as OTC codeine isn't around.. Even if it was, we're not as poor and desperate as russia's isolated rural communities where life is clearly not as valued.
 
I seriously hope it doesn't become popular or glamorized in the underground drug scene.
Kroky has no business around here. There's plenty of cheap potent heroin here in the states. So I see no reason as to why krok will hang around for long.
 
cant see this becoming big. with methadone and suboxone being widely available i dont see why anyone would commit themselves to that horrible death.

unless a way to purify the shitty russian method were widely available. nothing wrong with desomorph, but from what i understand the russians basically shoot up a bunch of iodine and red phosphorous along with all sorts of other shit
 
I think it's just media hysteria. Tylenol w/ codiene has been OTC in Canada forever, I doubt its going to ctach on here either.
 
Average dose lasts 1.5 hours? Average lifespan for a krokodil addicted person is 1-3 years, at least 4 times as quick as a heroin addict.

The flesh just falls off the bone, I find this the closest thing to being a living zombie. I read an article about a guy who's life went down in the dumps, gf left him, lost his job etc so a FRIEND suggested that he should try krokodil! I read that and thought what kind of sick twisted person suggests people do this, I can't believe how dangerous this shit is and people still do it!


Sure, drugs are bad, but Jesus this is legitimately the worst form of recreational drug ever invented.
 
It's media hysteria. I think the better "bang for the buck", wider availability, no need for synthesis, and lower toxicity of mexican heroin would make desomorphine an inferior opioid.
 
RedRum OG said:
cant see this becoming big. with methadone and suboxone being widely available i dont see why anyone would commit themselves to that horrible death.

unless a way to purify the shitty russian method were widely available. nothing wrong with desomorph, but from what i understand the russians basically shoot up a bunch of iodine and red phosphorous along with all sorts of other shit
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Yea, that's another big point that bluehues touched on too. They don't have any methadone clinics there or prescribe suboxone, so peoples 'bottoms' end up being a lot lower there since they can't stop their habits as easy as we can.
 
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