At 10 gram a day or less kratom w/d is annoying as most unless you never been through any type of withdrawal before then I could see it being hell to some.
Chills, sweating (especially at night), sleep difficulty and lack of energy although I found this to lessen the more times you detox. The worst I've felt was when I was taking kratom daily AND poopy seed tea 3-4 times that caused some pretty hellish w/d.
I have been on 10 grams a day or less on and off for a while, including the first time I really used it for around a week, perhaps even less I can't remember exactly but not for long. Currently my use peaked at around 20grams a day... but I did a long term stable use at 7.5-10, and there was no way WD was going to be easy at that time. I would do quick binges on the weekends and switch back to the stable dose on Mondays and still feel restless legs on Monday night/Tues morning. That first short time that I used it just above a week. I actually went into withdrawals, I reckon my habit would have been 3.75 grams (1 1/2 teaspoons a day) - 10 grams on binge days during that short time.
The withdrawals were incredibly difficult. Largely because of the unexpected, but I think more likely because of the restless legs. The day after cessation from that 7-10 days usage, I can say the WDs were not really chronic hardcore symptoms I have heard about RE other opiates and subsequently felt from larger/longer kratom use. But I had restless legs that lingered for nearly 10 days. It was absolute torture, especially not knowing about all the information I have now. I ended up tying scarves around my calves EXTREMELY tightly, it was the only thing that felt like it did anything. I think the pain, something to concentrate on, and cutting the blood supply all helped a little, but I was still up all night for days. I tried taking Ambien for a few days and side effects exhausted me beyond belief - especially when coupled with the general kratom WD exhaustion and restless legs effect on my sleep and days.
So even short term usage can lead to some difficult and exhausting and surprisingly protracted WDs for some. Albeit not in the extreme, but still subjectively very hard and quite depressing.
I am now documenting a much longer and more cautious taper process here:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/813619-About-to-do-a-Kratom-Detox
I can't recommend you try my methods as I am doing a lot of experimenting and making mistakes along the way, but you can use it as a resource to research further how you want to approach it. I am in a dangerous mental health situation so I'm treating the detox with extreme caution. But perhaps to the point that by fucking around with so many comfort meds, I might get myself into more trouble
Kratom works great for kicking a opiate addiction due to its own ability to attach itself to the opiate receptors in your brain, while blocking actual opiates from attaching.
I have NEVER heard of someone havig any withdraws from even after 60 days of use. I have seen many peoples lives returned to them thanks to the help of this super botanical and I have seen people avoid far more dangerous drugs etc, by using Kratom for energy - the killing of pain - the assisting with withdraws and blocking opiates during this withdraw.
....
quoting these first 2 paragraphs for
bullshit.
I have used kratom alongside other opiates many times and there is nothing but reinforcement and additional opiate effects, no feeling of competition going on between the 2.
You never wanted to hear - in this thread you now should have heard.
I agree that kratom seems less dangerous, only by what my body tells me. Compared to DHC for example, after 3 days of using DHC I feel yucky and toxic all over and the buzz becomes shit. Kratom continues to be a comfort even after I have kind of corrupted my enjoyment of it overall. It seemed to be one of the more benign substances to be hooked on long term, if only one could very carefully manage tolerance creep and also combat the dreadful Kratom hangover in the morning and how it affects breakfast. I'm sure there may be methods to do this, have been researching some. But I would not try them at this time due to my desire to detox from this physical addiction and re-monitor myself sober. Also I have not heard of anyone using kratom long term with a tolerance prevention system, perhaps because I haven't looked yet. The other issue with long term use is the massive energy dips between doses, especially if eating food on top (kills the dose pretty quick), or eating dose after eating (takes a very long time to kick in and you are tired from eating already). It was much more fun and useful when it kept me motivated all day.