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Hi my friendly BL community,
I know there is already another kratom withdraw thread existing but please bear with me and read if u can even if this might be a little long but I am a bit depressed with this whole situation and your helpful words would feel like a million bucks to me. I have to mention this experience my past week of drug use plus this kratom wd coming up. I need a bit of advice regarding Kratom withdrawal and any input would be appreciated. I have been taking kratom daily since 2011 and I need a bit of advice on easing this withdrawal as much as possible with some of the other supplements I have available. I have used many drugs in the past such as MDMA, MDA, GHB/GBL. Ketmaine, many stimulants, RCS... indulged with candyflipping recently n etc... you name it all but kratom has been the only thing I used daily mainly because I just loved it so much because I am fully functional, motivated, stimulated, sedated, euphoric, anti-depressant effect and I can name many many other benefits. But anyway I have become too dependent on it and with all these other family issues developing I need to call it quits... if not forever... at least for a while! I used about ~20 grams a day between 2-3 doses. I have gone through many kratom withdrawals lasting up to 1-2 weeks due to supply outage so I'm familiar what it is like. For me the biggest thing is unable to sleep due restless leg syndrome or something...just very irritating feeling in my stomach or somewhere and just start kicking in the air and decide to get out of my bed and stay up if that's what RLS is. Teary eyes, leg and back pains are some others to name a few but mostly bearable except the sleeping part.
Anyways, this time I am a little bit more anxious before this withdrawal happens because last Wednesday night I got hold of just one 100mg high quality meth(my first time since 2005 or 2006) and went through it over within a day... probably ~30mg dose each time so 3 times altogether. I also had a stash of Xanax which I used to go to sleep on Friday morning after my little 100mg binge with ended. And oh I forgot to mention I did use quite a bit of GHB during the meth high.(I know it is bad to use both ghb and xanax together). Now the Xanax part is what I am worried about.. I was a Benzo virgin(actually had valium once in my life before my LASIK surgery couple of years ago) until about two weeks I got a stash of Xanax and I did not use it heavily but I probably used it to go to sleep maybe 5 times out of 7 days in a week recently for the past 2 weeks. So after forcing myself to sleep after using GHB and Xanax. I woke up the next feeling a little groggy but had my first cup of my Green Malaysian Kratom tea as usual and was well lifted and go on about my another boring day. I guess meth comedown lasts pretty long even after only 100mg of use for a user that haven't tried it in many years and I kept feeling this numbing tingling sensation on left side of my chest where my heart is. I guess that is anxiety, panic attack or whatever. It seemed to go away when my back is rested but still very annoying and I guess I was still coming down from Meth too. That day I did some GHB(new batch I obtained on the same day I got meth after not using G for like a year but I have used phenibut often recently though) a little bit like 4.5g at most through out the day but this is strong pharmaceutical powder stuff and I still couldn't sleep that night so I ended up taking some xanax to sleep again.
Next day is Saturday, and I was still feeling that tingling numbing sensation on my heart and again and I didn't take anything except kratom until night and at night I took a small dosage of GHB like 1.3g to see if it ease the symptoms and it didn't... so I took some Phenibut around 9pm because I did not want to use Xanax few days in a row and my usual phenibut dosage was 5g due to tolerance but I haven't taken phenibut in one week but still took the same amount anyway and eventually I passed out near 6am after been trying to go to sleep since 2am... and oh i took a bit of G again too but like 1gram ish....as well as GABA powder(I know it doesn't pass blood brain barrier but I have it available and hoping big oral amount would pass and help me calm down) I hope this didn't wreck my GABA receptors but anyways I was very sedated and everything kicked in was getting horrible sleep paralysis for a long time and finally slept for very long time with lots of REM stage sleep with horrible dreams.
Next day is Sunday, I am still getting the sensation on my heart but I believe it was lessened than the day before and I did a little bit of G that day during the evening. Probably 3-4g altogether... I don't use GHB for sleep because it is more stimulating than sedating for me usually unless I took a knockout dose all at once and pass out for a few hours but I don't like doing that. So fast forward to night, the heart tingling, numbing sensation still happening and feels more intense at times but it goes away whenever my back is rested so I thought if I just lie down on my bed I would eventually fall asleep. And it didn't... it kept getting worse... and by this time I know that is some sort of anxiety or panic attack... but again I didn't wanna take xanax because I took G earlier during the day.... but in the end I just had to take it because otherwise do I have to go to ER for this? I didn't want to disappoint my family again so I took some GABA powder again... didn't work.... I actually thought about going to ER but didn't want to disappoint my family... so last resort I took xanax(3mg~) and it calmed me down and went to sleep.
It is now Monday night (12:05am Tuesday as of now) and I will be running out of kratom after tonight, the numbing and tingling sensation heart has definitely improved and but it is still there. I do believe I have some sort of social anxiety and a little bit of depression in the first place... that is why I probably started taking kratom years ago... but this kind of sensation on my heart was first. Now my question is this simply meth comedown? is that 100mg of Meth use over a day causing this and is this possibly a benzo withdrawal? or even a GHB withdrawal... I did go through a lot of GHB since Friday but I have gone on worse binge with GBL long time ago and I never had this side effect except the dopamine rebound effect waking me up after 4 hours. Did I wreck my GABA receptor from that one night taking some GHB and Phenibut together? but that was just one night. I know the Xanax was mixed in there once or twice in those days and my miligram scale only starts showing the weight at 6mg+ so I have to eyeball and work with that 6mg by dipping toothpick trying to estimate how much I take which is not a good idea...but that is what I have been doing.
Now that my anxiety will be a little higher because my kratom withdrawal will start tomorrow but on the bright side(maybe), I have a stash of Phenibut, GHB, and Xanax. In addition to that I have Rhodiola Rosea.. which I heard it helps with depression... I have nootropics like noopept and phenylpiracetam and a few other supplements which are prolly uselsess. But anyway like my past one week usage of above I do not want to go through kratom withdrawal and benzo withdrawal at the same time... or even kratom+GHB+Benzo withdrawal(LOL that would be hell) at the same time. I don't think those panic attacks I was getting was due to my Xanax usage? never used it twice in a day except that day I used meth... but indeed my dosages were higher than 2mg most of the time. Never blacked out or anything with xanax either. So my final question how can I utilize GHB, Xanax, Phenibut for the next one week to ease my kratom withdrawal...I know I will have some leg laches backaches n etc I can't do anything about that... what should I be using for sleep for the first few nights when my RLS will be at worst?
I know GHB is not that useful for me for sleep....do you think I am already addicted to Xanax with my usage mentioned above... used about 10 times out of 14 days...but 2mg+ and my anxiety symptom was due to the benzo? is further Xanax usage from now on shouldn't be recommended? I think it will be the only thing will help me sleep for now other than Phenibut... but I wanna wait my phenibut usage for another few days later since I used it couple of nights ago. I really don't want to get addicted to Xanax either as I heard benzo withdrawals are hell as well as GHB but I am pretty familiar with my ghb usage. Just that my anxiety is a little higher at the moment due to some family issues and other issues and I can't even afford any more kratom and I don't want to. I didn't take any GHB today and I am fine so I don't anxiety wasn't from a couple of days GHB use either. Did use a lot for the meth comedown though. What a mistake trying that 100mg of meth was... never again.. it wasn't worth the aftereffects.
If I can get clean from kratom and I am pretty much sober. That is why I want to utilize this ghb, phenibut, xanax and whatever I got left to help me get clean without getting to these other substances... and I won't!. Just want to to quit kratom... it is a wonderful plant but I just want to see myself without it. Ketamine helped me greatly during my last kratom withdrawal but not available to me at the moment. Is it ok to take some GHB during the day/evening and xanax at night for the first couple of days of kratom withdrawal?... obviously I do not want to develop GHB/Benzo/Phenibut withdrawal either. I do want to use GHB daily during the day for sure but not for sleep.
Any input is appreciated.
Thank you
I know there is already another kratom withdraw thread existing but please bear with me and read if u can even if this might be a little long but I am a bit depressed with this whole situation and your helpful words would feel like a million bucks to me. I have to mention this experience my past week of drug use plus this kratom wd coming up. I need a bit of advice regarding Kratom withdrawal and any input would be appreciated. I have been taking kratom daily since 2011 and I need a bit of advice on easing this withdrawal as much as possible with some of the other supplements I have available. I have used many drugs in the past such as MDMA, MDA, GHB/GBL. Ketmaine, many stimulants, RCS... indulged with candyflipping recently n etc... you name it all but kratom has been the only thing I used daily mainly because I just loved it so much because I am fully functional, motivated, stimulated, sedated, euphoric, anti-depressant effect and I can name many many other benefits. But anyway I have become too dependent on it and with all these other family issues developing I need to call it quits... if not forever... at least for a while! I used about ~20 grams a day between 2-3 doses. I have gone through many kratom withdrawals lasting up to 1-2 weeks due to supply outage so I'm familiar what it is like. For me the biggest thing is unable to sleep due restless leg syndrome or something...just very irritating feeling in my stomach or somewhere and just start kicking in the air and decide to get out of my bed and stay up if that's what RLS is. Teary eyes, leg and back pains are some others to name a few but mostly bearable except the sleeping part.
Anyways, this time I am a little bit more anxious before this withdrawal happens because last Wednesday night I got hold of just one 100mg high quality meth(my first time since 2005 or 2006) and went through it over within a day... probably ~30mg dose each time so 3 times altogether. I also had a stash of Xanax which I used to go to sleep on Friday morning after my little 100mg binge with ended. And oh I forgot to mention I did use quite a bit of GHB during the meth high.(I know it is bad to use both ghb and xanax together). Now the Xanax part is what I am worried about.. I was a Benzo virgin(actually had valium once in my life before my LASIK surgery couple of years ago) until about two weeks I got a stash of Xanax and I did not use it heavily but I probably used it to go to sleep maybe 5 times out of 7 days in a week recently for the past 2 weeks. So after forcing myself to sleep after using GHB and Xanax. I woke up the next feeling a little groggy but had my first cup of my Green Malaysian Kratom tea as usual and was well lifted and go on about my another boring day. I guess meth comedown lasts pretty long even after only 100mg of use for a user that haven't tried it in many years and I kept feeling this numbing tingling sensation on left side of my chest where my heart is. I guess that is anxiety, panic attack or whatever. It seemed to go away when my back is rested but still very annoying and I guess I was still coming down from Meth too. That day I did some GHB(new batch I obtained on the same day I got meth after not using G for like a year but I have used phenibut often recently though) a little bit like 4.5g at most through out the day but this is strong pharmaceutical powder stuff and I still couldn't sleep that night so I ended up taking some xanax to sleep again.
Next day is Saturday, and I was still feeling that tingling numbing sensation on my heart and again and I didn't take anything except kratom until night and at night I took a small dosage of GHB like 1.3g to see if it ease the symptoms and it didn't... so I took some Phenibut around 9pm because I did not want to use Xanax few days in a row and my usual phenibut dosage was 5g due to tolerance but I haven't taken phenibut in one week but still took the same amount anyway and eventually I passed out near 6am after been trying to go to sleep since 2am... and oh i took a bit of G again too but like 1gram ish....as well as GABA powder(I know it doesn't pass blood brain barrier but I have it available and hoping big oral amount would pass and help me calm down) I hope this didn't wreck my GABA receptors but anyways I was very sedated and everything kicked in was getting horrible sleep paralysis for a long time and finally slept for very long time with lots of REM stage sleep with horrible dreams.
Next day is Sunday, I am still getting the sensation on my heart but I believe it was lessened than the day before and I did a little bit of G that day during the evening. Probably 3-4g altogether... I don't use GHB for sleep because it is more stimulating than sedating for me usually unless I took a knockout dose all at once and pass out for a few hours but I don't like doing that. So fast forward to night, the heart tingling, numbing sensation still happening and feels more intense at times but it goes away whenever my back is rested so I thought if I just lie down on my bed I would eventually fall asleep. And it didn't... it kept getting worse... and by this time I know that is some sort of anxiety or panic attack... but again I didn't wanna take xanax because I took G earlier during the day.... but in the end I just had to take it because otherwise do I have to go to ER for this? I didn't want to disappoint my family again so I took some GABA powder again... didn't work.... I actually thought about going to ER but didn't want to disappoint my family... so last resort I took xanax(3mg~) and it calmed me down and went to sleep.
It is now Monday night (12:05am Tuesday as of now) and I will be running out of kratom after tonight, the numbing and tingling sensation heart has definitely improved and but it is still there. I do believe I have some sort of social anxiety and a little bit of depression in the first place... that is why I probably started taking kratom years ago... but this kind of sensation on my heart was first. Now my question is this simply meth comedown? is that 100mg of Meth use over a day causing this and is this possibly a benzo withdrawal? or even a GHB withdrawal... I did go through a lot of GHB since Friday but I have gone on worse binge with GBL long time ago and I never had this side effect except the dopamine rebound effect waking me up after 4 hours. Did I wreck my GABA receptor from that one night taking some GHB and Phenibut together? but that was just one night. I know the Xanax was mixed in there once or twice in those days and my miligram scale only starts showing the weight at 6mg+ so I have to eyeball and work with that 6mg by dipping toothpick trying to estimate how much I take which is not a good idea...but that is what I have been doing.
Now that my anxiety will be a little higher because my kratom withdrawal will start tomorrow but on the bright side(maybe), I have a stash of Phenibut, GHB, and Xanax. In addition to that I have Rhodiola Rosea.. which I heard it helps with depression... I have nootropics like noopept and phenylpiracetam and a few other supplements which are prolly uselsess. But anyway like my past one week usage of above I do not want to go through kratom withdrawal and benzo withdrawal at the same time... or even kratom+GHB+Benzo withdrawal(LOL that would be hell) at the same time. I don't think those panic attacks I was getting was due to my Xanax usage? never used it twice in a day except that day I used meth... but indeed my dosages were higher than 2mg most of the time. Never blacked out or anything with xanax either. So my final question how can I utilize GHB, Xanax, Phenibut for the next one week to ease my kratom withdrawal...I know I will have some leg laches backaches n etc I can't do anything about that... what should I be using for sleep for the first few nights when my RLS will be at worst?
I know GHB is not that useful for me for sleep....do you think I am already addicted to Xanax with my usage mentioned above... used about 10 times out of 14 days...but 2mg+ and my anxiety symptom was due to the benzo? is further Xanax usage from now on shouldn't be recommended? I think it will be the only thing will help me sleep for now other than Phenibut... but I wanna wait my phenibut usage for another few days later since I used it couple of nights ago. I really don't want to get addicted to Xanax either as I heard benzo withdrawals are hell as well as GHB but I am pretty familiar with my ghb usage. Just that my anxiety is a little higher at the moment due to some family issues and other issues and I can't even afford any more kratom and I don't want to. I didn't take any GHB today and I am fine so I don't anxiety wasn't from a couple of days GHB use either. Did use a lot for the meth comedown though. What a mistake trying that 100mg of meth was... never again.. it wasn't worth the aftereffects.
If I can get clean from kratom and I am pretty much sober. That is why I want to utilize this ghb, phenibut, xanax and whatever I got left to help me get clean without getting to these other substances... and I won't!. Just want to to quit kratom... it is a wonderful plant but I just want to see myself without it. Ketamine helped me greatly during my last kratom withdrawal but not available to me at the moment. Is it ok to take some GHB during the day/evening and xanax at night for the first couple of days of kratom withdrawal?... obviously I do not want to develop GHB/Benzo/Phenibut withdrawal either. I do want to use GHB daily during the day for sure but not for sleep.
Any input is appreciated.
Thank you
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