Kratom (uncontaminated, pure leaf no extract) Demonized while my brother is dead from fentanyl?

[zevtier]

Mitragynine is a Partial Agonist of Human MOR, not an Opiate. Alongside natural SSRI alkaloids, and SNRI effects. The 'withdrawal' is completely handled and leaves you functional yet uncomfortable. I am more pained when deprived of daily caffeine (1 cup coffee) I am a user of six years. PURE MITRAGYNA SPECIOSA LEAF DOES NOT HARM ANY HUMAN ORGANS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADULTERATED (extracts, RCs) CONTAMINATED OR USED IN COMBO WITH OTHER DRUGS NAMELY ALCOHOL AND MANY COMMON PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS.
Yes, it is addictive. pure kratom leaf does not harm organs when not combined with other drugs for example: alcohol. i have used for six years to combat chronic debilitating anxiety and in and it works.
I go every month with a period of abstinence, to prove to myself and others that the addiction is a great little joke. Am I comfortable without it? No, am I functional? Yes.
Everyone is different and those who cannot deal with a light withdrawal from a centuries old traditionally used medicine; then do not do it.
What is the alternative? Ineffective and addictive, HARMFUL , pharmaceutical drugs? Laughable.

 

[zevtier]

I always see people hear opioid and immediately like robots they are in their heads thinking 'BAD' when in reality Kratom has over 75 active alkaloids and is also effective as an antidepressant as I mentioned, I am gonig on 7 years of near daily usage and have been through it with the bad vendors/extracts/products a little bit but always was somewhat selective even in the beginning.

It has helped me quell and stop using benzodiazapines (like candy) and I get regular checkups the only issue I've ever had is that if you take too much you will puke due to the sheer amount of plant matter. Other than that I have gotten what seem to be batches adulterated with , something?, that makes me feel weird but that was two times in six years and I now know where to go as well as that most vendors are not doing sketchy things like that... once was a gas station 'whole herbs' brand that made me dizzy and feel weird; the second being from mitragaia which did the same thing. thats over 7 years. Other than that I've only gotten better because without it before I was insomniac, deppressive anxious to the point it was debilitating. Yes the first time it felt somewhat euphoric! Finally I could go to college class and not feel as if I was being judged and start heavily sweating and in my head not able to focus....

 

[Skorpio]

I'm going to move this to drug culture, as I think you will get better and more replies there.

Liver toxicity assiociated with kratom is pretty idiosyncratic, where other factors (genetic, polysubstance use, level of immune reactivity) can cause some people to develop rather quickly progressing liver failure. The vast majority of people don't get this. It's like the risk of steven johnson's syndrome, where sometimes metabolites of a drug can attach to your proteins, and 99.9% of the time not much happens, but occasionally your immune system goes haywire attacking the protein adduct.

I personally find it very hard to moderately use, but that is partially because I don't have a fear of overdose with it as I do full agonists. That being said I am happier when off than on. However mild the withdrawal may be compared to full agonists, it still leaves me feeling the absence of god, so to speak.

That being said, I don't think it should be controlled, as it is certainly one of the lesser evils (least evils) when opioids come to mind.

 

[Jabberwocky]

What is a bad drug? What is a good drug? What is a hard drug? What is a safe drug?

Kratom is certainly on the safer side.

However, in my life, it has contributed to a plethora of damage including liver issues, psychosis, financial issues, horrible withdrawal featuring abnormally long PAWS, and stress.

The amount of help and/or harm a drug can provide someone is always individual.

Personally I wish I never started using kratom..... but then maybe I never would have got off heroin?

Kratom can be a huge boon for people-- but once you become addicted it will eventually do more harm than good, this is the nature of addiction. And kratom is certainly addictive.

 

[zevtier]

I'm going to move this to drug culture, as I think you will get better and more replies there.

Liver toxicity assiociated with kratom is pretty idiosyncratic, where other factors (genetic, polysubstance use, level of immune reactivity) can cause some people to develop rather quickly progressing liver failure. The vast majority of people don't get this. It's like the risk of steven johnson's syndrome, where sometimes metabolites of a drug can attach to your proteins, and 99.9% of the time not much happens, but occasionally your immune system goes haywire attacking the protein adduct.

I personally find it very hard to moderately use, but that is partially because I don't have a fear of overdose with it as I do full agonists. That being said I am happier when off than on. However mild the withdrawal may be compared to full agonists, it still leaves me feeling the absence of god, so to speak.

That being said, I don't think it should be controlled, as it is certainly one of the lesser evils (least evils) when opioids come to mind.

What is a bad drug? What is a good drug? What is a hard drug? What is a safe drug?

Kratom is certainly on the safer side.

However, in my life, it has contributed to a plethora of damage including liver issues, psychosis, financial issues, horrible withdrawal featuring abnormally long PAWS, and stress.

The amount of help and/or harm a drug can provide someone is always individual.

Personally I wish I never started using kratom..... but then maybe I never would have got off heroin?

Kratom can be a huge boon for people-- but once you become addicted it will eventually do more harm than good, this is the nature of addiction. And kratom is certainly addictive.

I understand that there are studies, but what my point is if you have fresh unadulterated uncontaminated leaf slash dry not any extracts not poly abusing drugs just kratom only straight up fresh uncontaminated. My point being the natives used that plant as the rest of the world uses caffeine and coffee and tea for centuries to go and work in the rice fields. A lot of the the studies that you mentioned are not exactly Completely reliable. Have access to it right now I could ....
there is a study oneroid that states 100 native Thai kratom users were taken and tested over a year's time and these had been years users like in their 60s to 70s they had been chewing on the leaves of the Kratom plant for decades. Out of the 100 native creative users only two of them were found to find liver damage. And guess what? The only two that had problems were the ones that had an alcohol issue as well everyone else stuck to the kratom and did not mix it.

I'm going to move this to drug culture, as I think you will get better and more replies there.

Liver toxicity assiociated with kratom is pretty idiosyncratic, where other factors (genetic, polysubstance use, level of immune reactivity) can cause some people to develop rather quickly progressing liver failure. The vast majority of people don't get this. It's like the risk of steven johnson's syndrome, where sometimes metabolites of a drug can attach to your proteins, and 99.9% of the time not much happens, but occasionally your immune system goes haywire attacking the protein adduct.

I personally find it very hard to moderately use, but that is partially because I don't have a fear of overdose with it as I do full agonists. That being said I am happier when off than on. However mild the withdrawal may be compared to full agonists, it still leaves me feeling the absence of god, so to speak.

That being said, I don't think it should be controlled, as it is certainly one of the lesser evils (least evils) when opioids come to mind.

 

[zevtier]

What is a bad drug? What is a good drug? What is a hard drug? What is a safe drug?

Kratom is certainly on the safer side.

However, in my life, it has contributed to a plethora of damage including liver issues, psychosis, financial issues, horrible withdrawal featuring abnormally long PAWS, and stress.

The amount of help and/or harm a drug can provide someone is always individual.

Personally I wish I never started using kratom..... but then maybe I never would have got off heroin?

Kratom can be a huge boon for people-- but once you become addicted it will eventually do more harm than good, this is the nature of addiction. And kratom is certainly addictive.

Everybody is different and if 001% of the human population has adverse effects from Kratom that is irrelevant to it being controlled.

Non Contaminated real kratom IS SAFE; and the Withdrawal effects are definitely not good but they are completely bearable for most people, and I think for those who it isn't are not mentally strong enough to deal with it so they should not be using in the first place.

Personally when I go without Kratom, I don't feel well at all BUT! ... still go and do my work and go about my day!!!!

I am so happy that I have found kratom seven years ago, I was doing oxy mixing it with Adderall all that stupid **** I even had fentanyl blues at one point and last year killed my brother.
ANY TALK OF EVEN BANNING / controlling Kratom is just absolutely ridiculous.

A TREE IN THE RUBIACE FAM. SAME GENUS AS THE COFFEE TREE. IT HAS BEEN USED FOR CENTURIES, ISSUES ONLY ARISE WHEN MIXED WITH ANYTHING ELSE. IE - ALKOHOL/COUGH SYRUPS/ETC.

We as the people cannot let it happen because every single other pharmaceutical drug that they prescribe has a laundry list 10 times plus longer than the side effects of Kratom.

 

[zevtier]

Too long didn't read, google Kratom and you'll see that it says it is very dangerous. I've been using for seven years as long as you do not have uncontaminated kratom and it is actually quality product without any additives slash extracts there is absolutely no risk unless you choose to mix with other drugs.

 

[zevtier]

Too long didn't read, google Kratom and you'll see that it says it is very dangerous. I've been using for seven years as long as you do not have uncontaminated kratom and it is actually quality product without any additives slash extracts there is absolutely no risk unless you choose to mix with other drugs.

****as long as you have unconaminated kratom. 7 year user. This is a tree very closely related to coffee They even dare TALK about ANYTHING REGUARDING REMOVING KRATOM FROM OUR FREEDOM is RIDICULOUS.

Genesis 1:29​

“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”​

 

[Jabberwocky]

You're kinda preaching to the choir here. Nobody on this site is going to demonize kratom.

But making statements like only 0.001% of people have adverse effects from kratom is simply wrong. Yes, kratom is in the same genus as coffee, but it's nothing like coffee beans and that does not suggest anything about its safety.

Kratom is a drug. It can harm some people to varying degrees and in varying ways if abused. Simple as that.