Kratom to detox from Heroin?

[blime84]

I smoke heroin daily around 1-1.7 grams a day. I just ordered some Kratom and Kratom extract to test. Anyone know if this is something that will remove withdrawls and let me quit H? with such a habit, how much would I need? I have IVd before and if I were on IV, my use would be .8-1.3 grams a day. The general purity is around 60-70% I would guess. Oral Oxycodone(30mg roxys) I need 500-800mg to get same effect as the H in a day

 

[Bman2]

I really doubt your H is that high in purity. I'd say average purity in US is between 25-35%, and it's not going to be that much different elsewhere. You can find info online the DEA publishes its purity findings off what they've seized, usually published by region/state. As far as kratom goes, I can tell you from a lot of personal experience that you can't really remove withdrawals if you're taking kratom. Some people will say that you can quit using kratom, but I don't believe this to be the case. However, since your H habit is pretty significant, it probably wouldn't hurt to switch to something less potent like kratom. I don't normally recommend suboxone/methadone, (but again because your habit is pretty big) I would recommend suboxone if and only if you can get your dose regulated by a doctor so that you can follow a strict taper plan all the way through. People who don't follow a strict taper plan, end up staying on suboxone too long and they just add another thing to their list of imminent withdrawal. But ultimately, it can help you if used correctly. If you plan on taking kratom for a while, extracts can really kill the effectiveness pretty quickly. They are nice for special occasions, but I would recommend taking 7-15g regular leaf and see how that works. Then bump it up another 5-10g if looking for a high dose. You will have to re-dose every 4-6 hrs to stave off withdrawal. Extract you would probably only need a gram or 2 to start. Kratom batches can vary in strength so it's hard to say, but if you've never done kratom do not go into it with some mindset that your gonna feel like you took some H. Most people make that mistake and are highly disappointed. I have gotten good highs on kratom that feels like 30-50mg of oxy but for someone with a big H habit, I doubt you'll get any recreational effects. Just some medicinal effects in helping with withdrawal. personally if I was in your shoes, I would taper off the H over a few weeks. Until your down to taking just a point or 2 a day. Then go on kratom for a week or two, then go cold turkey with the help of clonodine, Imodium, & cannabis.

 

[blime84]

the purity is an estimate, though I am generally confident its accurate. In LA, the purity on avg from dea is 30% with the tar going up to 90%. I have been using 10 years, and comparitivly the amount of morphine I need for a similar effect(about 1500 MG = about 1.0-1.2 g of tar) or the amount of oxycodone (about 700-1000 mg) leads me to estimate that range. I have experience with detoxing both with Subs and with methadone. With subs, I need to wait about 24-36 hours prior to dosing for them to work. After 18 hours, I no longer will get put into withdrawl from the nalaxone, but it doesnt make me better either. as a result, I do not like using them. With subs, I need to take 16mg the first 2-3 days, then go down to 12mg for 2 days, then 8mg for a week after which, I taper to 0 over the next week. That minimizes the withdrawl, sleep is still iffy, but i can function. With Methadone, I need 150mg, the first day, taper 10 mg a day until I hit 60 MG, then 5 mg a day till I hit 30mg, then 5MG every other day.. Its pretty easy until I get below 25mg... Based on what your saying, I need to take 3-4 g of extract to start. 30-50 mg of oxy won't stave off withdrawl for me. The last time I took oxy, I needed to take 120mg to keep from puking, but it wasnt enough to sleep. I had 300mg, which kept me alive, though still in minor withdrawl for about 12 hours.

*note, for methadone, the minimal dose I need the first couple days is 100 mg in order to still be functional. 70-80mg is the absolute minimal to offset vomiting.

*Note 2 = there are many misconceptions about tar that its weak. generally, it is more potent than the stomped on shit most people get on the east coast(unless you get raw)... I will say that once you get further than 3-4 hours from the border, the quality drops drastically. In san fran, I won't even touch the stuff(thats when I get roxys instead, but its too pricey to stay well, as I need 15 - 20 in a day just to stay good, closer to 30 to get high, that would run me close to 4x the price of getting good tar). There is a huge difference in price too, the high quality shit runs 4-6 times the price per ounce than the typical stuff you see on the street and it is 3-6 times more potent too. I had a friend from 2 hours north of me visit, who would IV 2-3 grams a day up there, he overdosed with a .25g IV shotof the good stuff(I warned him, but he was talking about how he usually IVs half a gram at a time every few hours

 

[Bman2]

Based on what your saying, I need to take 3-4 g of extract to start. 30-50 mg of oxy won't stave off withdrawl for me. The last time I took oxy, I needed to take 120mg to keep from puking, but it wasnt enough to sleep. I had 300mg, which kept me alive, though still in minor withdrawl for about 12 hours.

This is why I would suggest tapering down on your H first. Kratom has a ceiling, you're not going to get your 120mg type of dose off it, even if you take a ridiculous amount(which would be counter-productive in the first place). Overly large doses of kratom will make you nausea. I think you will just have to see how the kratom works & if it's not that effective at a couple grams of extract or 15-20g leaf, then you probably aren't going to get anything out of it.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

Kratom worked when I was only snorting dope. Once I started IV my tolerance went so high plain leaf Kratom didn't do shiiiiit. But uei and other extracts are likely to relieve some symptoms. But if u wanna maintain on k then u shud get ur self to plain leaf asap

Daily kratoms nowhere near as bad as a real dope habit, but in the end a habit is a habit