Kratom Psychedelic effects

[EarthBounded]

Does everyone agree that Kratom has a psychedelic edge when you take high quality extracts or high doses, maybe even small ones?

Or is the categorized alongside opiates. Or is the one of the only full spectrum drugs of its kind?

To me it seems to hold amphetamine, opiate and psychedelic properties, I would almost rate it near mescaline from personal experience. Just not as powerful of course as mescaline.8(

I am aware that this has 20+ Active alkaloids, I just want peoples opinions I have had some very spiritual intense CEVs with High dose extract. Minor OEVs of a Kaleidoscope from above. However the CEVs were amazingly pure.

I put this at the top for legal highs as far as safety, even though it does have negative effects, I feel like the public getting easy access to an item from the plant kingdom is better than easy access to the synthetic realm. I believe it does have addictive properties but at the same time helps kick addiction <---- I understand that sounds weird but that is just how crazy this plant is I guess, I got very hooked on it but was able to kick all my addictions including Kratom all at once

This is just my personal opinion, I would like to know others opinions!

 

[pazuzu]

I have always thought that kratom has anti-psychedelic properties. Maybe it's just the way I've used it in the past, but in my experience, kratom has the exact opposite mental effect as a psychedelic.

 

[EarthBounded]

I have always thought that kratom has anti-psychedelic properties. Maybe it's just the way I've used it in the past, but in my experience, kratom has the exact opposite mental effect as a psychedelic.

Cool to hear your perspective, thank you for responding, very interesting. This could be from us taking different species or different dosage, but non the less unique response!

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Do you have experience with other opiates? The reason I ask is because when I used to nod off on opiates/oids I would often enter a dream like state where I would see many random images all flowing together. Its like having a hundred dreams compacted into several minutes, I never experienced this while using kratom but by the time I started my tolerance was too high to achieve this "dream state".

 

[Ninae]

I would call Opiates light psychedelics in general. Although more spiritual than psychedelic as they don't really share much with typical psychedelic. But there is some of that in that if you take enough for your tolerance you can enter this real love/bliss state, experience a real heightening in consciousness where you only experience high-level emotions, and can ultimately trance out in a state where all these random dreams, images, and ideas flow together.

Seems like you just move your mind in the direction that makes you feel good and you're allowed to feel closer to it and experience it in a way (like if you miss someone it's aslmost as good as being with them - or even better because of your heightened state). But it's really much more like daydreaming than an involuntary psychedelic trip. Still, the different internal states and experiences it gives you access to I think qualifies it as som kind of psychedelic.

As for Kratom, I would be able to experience those deep trance states when I was new to it, but tolerance comes very fast with regular use and it starts to work more just as a mood-lifter, stimulant, and anxiety-reliever all in one. So at that level it's quite a good antidepressant and can make you more functional (except the way Opiates work, they don't tend to make you very diciplined or productive and more just inclined to have fun, I think because they take you out of this reality to some extent (which is a psychedelic property as well).

So, yes, I think it is underestimates as a psychedlic, although I would call it more of a spiritual drug as it works completely different than the drugs that are categorised as psychedelics. But the average heavy user who take enough to nod out everyday will know this aspect of it very well.

Anyway, with Kratom I now need a high dose of UEI With low tolerance to get to that effect. It's a much higher plateau to get to then the ones who just makes you feel good, and it's difficult to get higher than those, especially for many days in a row.

 

[EarthBounded]

Do you have experience with other opiates? The reason I ask is because when I used to nod off on opiates/oids I would often enter a dream like state where I would see many random images all flowing together. Its like having a hundred dreams compacted into several minutes, I never experienced this while using kratom but by the time I started my tolerance was too high to achieve this "dream state".

I have only experimented with High dose Oxycodone and Morphine, I just get mad feelings of Bliss, I would love to enter a dream like state like the one you described, that sounds cool.

I would call Opiates light psychedelics in general. Although more spiritual than psychedelic as they don't really share much with typical psychedelic. But there is some of that in that if you take enough for your tolerance you can enter this real love/bliss state, experience a real heightening in consciousness where you only experience high-level emotions, and can ultimately trance out in a state where all these random dreams, images, and ideas flow together.

Seems like you just move your mind in the direction that makes you feel good and you're allowed to feel closer to it and experience it in a way (like if you miss someone it's aslmost as good as being with them - or even better because of your heightened state). But it's really much more like daydreaming than an involuntary psychedelic trip. Still, the different internal states and experiences it gives you access to I think qualifies it as som kind of psychedelic.

As for Kratom, I would be able to experience those deep trance states when I was new to it, but tolerance comes very fast with regular use and it starts to work more just as a mood-lifter, stimulant, and anxiety-reliever all in one. So at that level it's quite a good antidepressant and can make you more functional (except the way Opiates work, they don't tend to make you very diciplined or productive and more just inclined to have fun, I think because they take you out of this reality to some extent (which is a psychedelic property as well).

So, yes, I think it is underestimates as a psychedlic, although I would call it more of a spiritual drug as it works completely different than the drugs that are categorised as psychedelics. But the average heavy user who take enough to nod out everyday will know this aspect of it very well.

Anyway, with Kratom I now need a high dose of UEI With low tolerance to get to that effect. It's a much higher plateau to get to then the ones who just makes you feel good, and it's difficult to get higher than those, especially for many days in a row.

Cool I like this perspective.

 

[blight12]

Hey OP. Being a lover of Kratom and having spent a lot on the best extracts, even the MD Alk which seems to be the strongest. I was always a fan of extracts over leaf since i cant eat that shit.

I would say it definitely has stimulating properties which are common knowledge along with the opiate properties, but i cant say there are psychedelic properties. I could say that where Kratom able to provide a real NOD, that experience could be described as psychedelic, but its never been able to deliver that for me like a real opiate.

I dont dispute what you say. Perhaps you could provide more detail on the psychedelic aspects, the needed dose, etc. That would help and I am interested. Also if there is a specific product that causes the psychedelic stuff the most?

 

[EarthBounded]

Hey OP. Being a lover of Kratom and having spent a lot on the best extracts, even the MD Alk which seems to be the strongest. I was always a fan of extracts over leaf since i cant eat that shit.

I would say it definitely has stimulating properties which are common knowledge along with the opiate properties, but i cant say there are psychedelic properties. I could say that where Kratom able to provide a real NOD, that experience could be described as psychedelic, but its never been able to deliver that for me like a real opiate.

I dont dispute what you say. Perhaps you could provide more detail on the psychedelic aspects, the needed dose, etc. That would help and I am interested. Also if there is a specific product that causes the psychedelic stuff the most?

Cool, this is the feedback I am looking for I appreciate it.

For me it is Isolate extracts. I believe it is just a 71% Isopropyl alkaloid extract of some fine mitragyna speciosa leaf, my buddy travels around the world to choose his products so I know its up there, he's friends with Dennis McKenna so I trust my friend is locating some of the best in the world. I will try to get more details and PM you if I remember.

Also a Little off topic I make an HBWR ISO-L8, Which is a very pure and fine LSA powder/flake. When taken alone it is similar to all LSA trips I have had good visuals, similar to Psilocybin.

However when I mix this Kratom (Iso Extract) With the LSA It is Very VERY similar to LSD. Unbelievable OEVs.

However I do get CEVs and lighter OEVs with just this extract.

Can I ask what MD Alk is? Interested!

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^Maeng Da Alkaloids I believe

 

[Spacemonkey5000]

I felt preety trippy from kratom the few times i used it, not tripping but something except the normal effect.

This was just one strain of the 3 i tried, also with mxe and cannabis kratom makes a good addon and the synergy is really nice.

Be careful with dosage though, start low on all accounts.