Kratom (Mitragynine;7-hydroxymitraginine) Dose convrsion[s

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Thanks all for the info esp. on 7oh.
As per dose conversions I can at least give my example: ~12 g Kratom a day equals roughly 300-400 mg Tramadol/Tilidin.
7 oh so far not much experience but it gives me a slight headache as well, hydration can reduce that indeed, and the stimulant properties are more long lasting than the sedation for me and also more pronounced than with Tram - which works pretty well for me metabolism-wise.
I find it incomparable as well to classic opioids due to the incredibly short rush it gives with moderate opioid effects after that. Reminds me of crack a bit which means burning money for a few minutes of yay and then a rather long nay... That said I'm very sensitive to Stims and generally tolerate them poorly. Def not my doc. Kratom is more sustainable in every respect imo. (And even that had me tweaking in the beginning when I combined 7g with caffeine)

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Just wanted to add something I learned only two days ago (though it might not be news for you): Not only is it hard to compare Kratom and derivates to traditional opioids, it's also spoiling the tolerance for classical ones. It really really works differently, and while there's clearly an overlap, Mitragynin & Co seem to desensitize MOR more than other opioids do for a similar result. Means when you switch back, you need more. The same goes ime also the other way round even though Idk what other receptors or receptor sites are responsible for that. When I first switched to Kratom I had to increase doses a lot from what I believed to be enough, mainly due to a totally messed up temperature regulation. Kratom also constipates less at equivalent doses, so yeah. It's a different type of opioid, and either way I can only recommend to stick to one and avoid frequent switches...
(While I still find it easier to taper Kratom, simply because you need grams and it tastes disgusting and is rather short lasting outside mega doses).

 

[Innerpeace]

Kratom is a stimulate at lower doses. I can feel even a gram. Two grams or three for sure have a noticeable effect.

 

[chippermonk]

Kratom is a stimulate at lower doses. I can feel even a gram. Two grams or three for sure have a noticeable effect.

Yeah, me too. For a couple years there I always did it in the 1 tsp range ( so about 2-2.4 g) but I did a big reset of taking it for 4 months, almost quit entirely. Now I'm back at a 1/2 tsp ( about 1g) and honestly feel pretty good on it. ( yeah, true to my username , I'm a chipper ) Energizing to go with a mild mood boost but no jitteriness. Not saying my greedy self won't increase my dosage but it feels very positive right now. But I'm fighting the urge to take it daily. I think that's best.
I agree with you @Mushoku_Sensei, it is strangely distinct from true opioids and it seems like maybe it does block the MOR effects some. I've decided that I don't really like switching back to hydrocodone or oxycodone now. It's weird but I just don't like them so much anymore, I prefer the kratom. I think for me the stimulation of low dose is a better feeling for me. A better antidepressant. I mean, it sure ain't a stimulant like meth, but it's a better compromise. Honestly, kratom makes me think a bit of the mood boost of tramadol. But tramadol really gives me a deep bad mood crash after it wears off and quickly loses it's appeal if I keep taking it.

 

[Psynaught]

Yeah, me too. For a couple years there I always did it in the 1 tsp range ( so about 2-2.4 g) but I did a big reset of taking it for 4 months, almost quit entirely. Now I'm back at a 1/2 tsp ( about 1g) and honestly feel pretty good on it. ( yeah, true to my username , I'm a chipper ) Energizing to go with a mild mood boost but no jitteriness. Not saying my greedy self won't increase my dosage but it feels very positive right now. But I'm fighting the urge to take it daily. I think that's best.
I agree with you @Mushoku_Sensei, it is strangely distinct from true opioids and it seems like maybe it does block the MOR effects some. I've decided that I don't really like switching back to hydrocodone or oxycodone now. It's weird but I just don't like them so much anymore, I prefer the kratom. I think for me the stimulation of low dose is a better feeling for me. A better antidepressant. I mean, it sure ain't a stimulant like meth, but it's a better compromise. Honestly, kratom makes me think a bit of the mood boost of tramadol. But tramadol really gives me a deep bad mood crash after it wears off and quickly loses it's appeal if I keep taking it.

I have been only taking about 2.5-3 grams a day. In my hierarchy Oxy is by far the best high....which is why I rarely take it. I have been saving 30 30 mg caps for about a year and a half. I've taken maybe 5 in the last 6 months. At the bottom is fent....I have unlimited access to that but boy it is a crappy high, just good for pain relief. 7O is in the middle. Not as good a high as Oxy but way better than fent. And I know that 7O is super addictive, arguably worse than Oxy.

I wish I could take 7O more than once, twice a week max because I have a bunch of it.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Yeah, me too. For a couple years there I always did it in the 1 tsp range ( so about 2-2.4 g) but I did a big reset of taking it for 4 months, almost quit entirely. Now I'm back at a 1/2 tsp ( about 1g) and honestly feel pretty good on it. ( yeah, true to my username , I'm a chipper ) Energizing to go with a mild mood boost but no jitteriness. Not saying my greedy self won't increase my dosage but it feels very positive right now. But I'm fighting the urge to take it daily. I think that's best.
I agree with you @Mushoku_Sensei, it is strangely distinct from true opioids and it seems like maybe it does block the MOR effects some. I've decided that I don't really like switching back to hydrocodone or oxycodone now. It's weird but I just don't like them so much anymore, I prefer the kratom. I think for me the stimulation of low dose is a better feeling for me. A better antidepressant. I mean, it sure ain't a stimulant like meth, but it's a better compromise. Honestly, kratom makes me think a bit of the mood boost of tramadol. But tramadol really gives me a deep bad mood crash after it wears off and quickly loses it's appeal if I keep taking it.

Hmm... For me Kratom lost it's appeal long time, but I'm arguably forced to take it 3-4 times a day around 4-5 g currently just to fight off WD . Had I known that I can't switch back or been able to jump off from Tramadol directly I would have saved myself the hassle. 7oh was a good buzz only once, nice 2-3 times, then disappointing and now the price for the short fun is way higher than expected. After 5 days the diarrhea still won't stop and taking Kratom with coca cola is better for my stomach but worse for my nerves. I already embarrassed myself and others this morning by cursing loudly in front of the supermarket because I dropped a glass bottle
- I'd absolutely prefer an opioid without any stimulation and I don't even touch it in low doses... Hard to imagine what I would do with meth... Likely mass murder
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[Psynaught]

Well, well, well. I have been taking Kratom for several years. I thought I was just fine, taking 5 grams a day. Actually, I was taking 9 .6 gram caps every day so actually 5.4 grams a day. I also still have a stash of Oxy, fent, and a bunch of 7O.

I would only take the stronger stuff, maybe once a week, every 5 days tops. I never had any desire to do more so thought I was fine.

I decided to reduce my Kratom intake especially since I have some serious medical procedures coming up. I went down to 3 grams a day and felt like crap. Then I reduced to 1.8 grams a day, and felt like crap. Yesterday I had the Rezum procedure to shrink my oversized prostate and it sure as hell was not painless. I was prescribed 15 Tylenol 3's. I took 1 and got no pain relief so ended up taking 3 plus 30 mgs of Oxy. Today I took nothing and in the early evening took 1.2 grams of Kratom. I will probably take a codeine later tonight. I have a catheter in that irritates the tip of my you know what.

But all of this makes me realize what a slippery slope it is. I am facing full shoulder replacement at the end of July and for sure will need some pain relief. I am thinking that I probably should taper my Kratom use down to zero to be sure I don't get hooked.

A big key for me is to get a good nights sleep. Unfortunately my CPAP machine is broken, but I am scheduled to get the part I need tomorrow, so wish me luck.