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Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

Used kratom for the first time today, Took it about 3 hours ago, I understand why you guys who live in the US are Mad about it becoming illegal !!! Its an awsome plant! Gives 3 things energy, relaxation and concentrations, all that keeping your mind off too complex things when they dont have a practical use !

About that, how long does the effect lasts? (took 2.5g of red boreno) And which effect do you get tolerant to first? If I guessed it would be the relaxation effect but there could be something else too.

No matter the answers to my questions it will definately stay in my rotation of substance used to relax my muscles (I think I have Hypertonia or dystonia and have no avaible doc to treat it for at least 4 months), I just want more informations to be able to set how much days between usage and If I need to dose twice to get a 8 to 10 hours effect.
 
Snake_Eyes said:
Exactly! I doubt 99% of cops have even heard of kratom.

I've worked with a couple opiate addicts, one who currently is on suboxone and until I told them about kratom they never even heard of it before.
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They won't know what it is just by sight, but it looks suspicious enough for them to test. Especially if you look the part.
There are drug tests for kratom and a field test now that it's schedule 1 is worthwhile for a company to put out on the market.
 
burn out said:
You know the Bible actually says that God gave man every plant. It also says there are no destructive drugs (referring to natural plant drugs of course as there were not pharmaceuticals in that day and age)

For he fashioned all things that they might have being,

and the creatures of the world are wholesome;

There is not a destructive drug among them

nor any domain of Hades* on earth,


first chapter, Book of Wisdom (note some protestants will reject this book)


So according to the Bible, kratom is a medicinal plant given to us by God and we have a God given right to use it. Prohibition of plants is completely unChristian. Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate prohibiting plants or making any part of God's creation illegal. All the plants were made for a good purpose and when used with prudence and care, will yield health benefits to the user. Why would God make a whole bunch of psychoactive plants with proven benefits and then want us to outlaw them and put people in cages for having them? It doesn't make any sense from a theological standpoint.
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There are many versus warning against not being sober....and even saying that seeking any sort of pleasure is wrong...teaching self denial. Verses against 'revelry'. So cocaine is all good with Jesus is what you're saying?

The whole book Contradicts itself constantly.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
There are many versus warning against not being sober....and even saying that seeking any sort of pleasure is wrong...teaching self denial. Verses against 'revelry'. So cocaine is all good with Jesus is what you're saying?

The whole book Contradicts itself constantly.
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No, not cocaine but the coca leaf yes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-drinks-coca-leaf-tea-on-south-american-tour even the pope drinks coca leaf tea.

Natural plant psychoactives, are God-given and not harmful when used prudently. When they are stripped from their natural form and made super concentrated, like heroin and crack, then they become a lot more dangerous and lose much of their sacredness. Jesus's first public miracle was turning water into wine and there are many verses in the Bible where people drink wine without any negative connotation whatsoever. It's abusing it, drinking to excess, that is considered sinful. The same logic should apply to kratom as far as I am concerned, moderation.

And yes I agree self denial and asceticism are certainly a big part of Christian spirituality but that is not the same as a prohibition against using psychoactive substances (which simply isn't there). And yes, the Bible does say to be vigilant and sober but I'd argue there is good reason for being vigilant and sober in this world. I am not saying the Bible is supporting the average stoner lifestyle of waking up and getting baked and then having kratom for lunch or whatever. I am just saying that there is nothing in the Bible that should forbid a mature Christian from having access to whatever plants they wish. St. Paul says“ Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is helpful. “ Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be brought under the control of anything."

So the edict is against abuse, addiction and unwise use of substances, not substances themself. On the contrary, all things are supposed to be lawful for the Christian. No one has the right to tell the Christian which of God's plants he can and cannot ingest.

I think there is an assumption among Christians that psychoactive plants are evil or of the devil, but my point is that there is no Biblical bases for this view.
 
I just discovered that Paxil (SSRI) blocks the effect of Kratom. I can't feel a thing ever since I started Paxil. Last time, Kratom stopped working when I took paxil, but I thought the problem was due to tolerance. Gonna throw it in the bin

If you are taking antidepressant medication, research to see if it affects the CYP2D6 liver enzyme. Most AD affect that liver enzymer so you must dose higher. Paxil is the worst as it blocks 99% of kratom effect.
 
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JustferFun said:
I haven't bought pods in a long time, back when you could buy a shitload on e-bay. Are they still easy to get? Any vendor recommendations you could PM me?

I will avoid pods as much as I possibly can because they're probably more addictive than anything given the fact that they contain ALL the alkaloids. I used to love them but they are way more dangerous than kratom.

This is going to screw a lot of people. Kratom was my go-to substance. It's just perfect in every way. I don't think I would've been clean for as long as I have been without kratom (yeah, I know I'm not "clean" in the NA kind of way). I only take it 2-3 times a week, but it's enough to keep me from shooting H.
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I said poppy SEED tea dude, not pod. I haven't bought the pods in years either, I see sites selling them but I have been leery of purchasing any. The seeds on the other hand are perfectly legal to buy and shouldn't raise any eyebrows.
 
Is there any other drug or combination of drugs (and it ALSO has to be safe to mix with Lexapro and Klonopin) that could produce SOMETHING like the effects of Kratom which is also RELATIVELY safe and not SUPER habit forming??

And when I say that, I don't necessarily mean an opioid so think outside of the box.

More what I mean is, a drug or even a MULTI drug combo which together provides the following: Relaxation but also stimulation with a feeling of well being and mildly pleasant body high WITHOUT TOTALLY incapacitating you or making you non functional.

And beyond that, I will also accept seperate answers for a drug or drug combo that DOES get you too fucked up too go out in person on it BUT it still does the rest of those things.


For example:

The closest thing I know so far is the combination of Prolintane and Phenibut which is VERY nice.

I don't know how great it is for you BUT the few times I got the dosage of the combo right I felt confident and stimulated from the Prolintane yet relaxed from the Phenibut and though it still wasnt' the same as a Kratom high it provided many of the same benefits.

The combo of Dexadrine and Phenibut also worked well for the same reasons.

Then of course, is the ONLY drug I really like better than Kratom which is Shrooms but living where I live I can never find them BUT I swear to god ONE DAY I am going to really learn how to grow them and grow myself a SHIT LOAD.

I don't usually get visuals from shrooms but what I DO get is a TOTAL and COMPLETE sense of inner peace as if EVERYTHING is right with the world and Kratom is the only other thing that gives me that except shrooms does in fact do it even better.

So if I were to combine a mild stimulant like Very low dose Prolintane or Dex with Shrooms I think I'd get everything Kratom gives me of course with the exception of NOT being able to go out in public much on it.


And then people talk about Tianeptine but I've never used it.

How good is Tianeptine, how safe and how habit forming and how much does it feel like Kratom??

Also, can Tianeptine be safely combined with SSRIs like Lexapro and Benzos like Klonopin cause I take both of those.

I know some people say Tramadol is like Kratom but that SERIOUSLY interferes with SSRIs so I won't touch that.

Or are there any other RCs out there even or other drugs I might not know about which provide that kind of "speed ball effect" WITHOUT being SUPER dangerous.

That feeling of "inner peace and release from anxiety" along with MILD TO MODERATE stimulation??
 
What you're asking for is another OTC opioid, and nope, there is nothing of the sort. Kratom was the last bastion of the euphoric sedatives, I'm afraid.

Tianeptine is another opioid but it seems to be easier to form a dependence on that than kratom [e.g.], and it's also harder to source as you're not going to find it in headshops. It also lacks the stimulating effect that kratom has as it doesn't have any adrenergic activity.
 
sekio said:
What you're asking for is another OTC opioid, and nope, there is nothing of the sort. Kratom was the last bastion of the euphoric sedatives, I'm afraid.

Tianeptine is another opioid but it seems to be easier to form a dependence on that than kratom [e.g.], and it's also harder to source as you're not going to find it in headshops. It also lacks the stimulating effect that kratom has as it doesn't have any adrenergic activity.
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Well i said it doesn't need to be an opioid, and that it could even be a combo of drugs which combines to create a feeling of well being with it being anxiolytic and relaxing, but also stimulating.

Like I said, though the combo of Prolintane and Phenibut didn't REALLY feel like Kratom, at the proper dosages it had many of the same benefits of it being relaxing and stimulating at the same time.

I don't know if you could ever find them in the same drug (though Phenibut is a bit stimulating but not like Kratom), but I'd have to assume there's SOME combo, even if it's 3 drugs, that could produce a state of well being even if not exactly LIKE Kratom...still having those qualities.

Like I said, my last shroom trip was VERY relaxing and I bet if I'd thrown in a low dose stimulant it would have been even more satisfying than Kratom.

I mean I'm sure there ARE some kinds of drug combos providing something akin to what I'm talking about but they wouldn't really feel like Kratom.


This is really an injustice and yet one more way for the government to just strip people of their rights, but there's a billion other ways it happens every day.

I will NEVER EVER understand why drugs, ANY drugs, even heroin, ever became illegal in the first place.

The war drugs has not only NOT worked, it's been HORRIBLE and created SO much MORE crime.

BUT....I guess whether or not it has "worked" depends on what you stand to gain, and if you work for the DEA or branches of government which stand to gain MONEY through the war on drugs, or work for the prison system, then you'd probably consider the war on drugs a MASSIVE success because it's made "the right people" TONS of money.

I guess that's it at the end of the day: few people REALLY care about saving lives or "protecting us from ourselves"...it's all about money, and if that is your marker for success, well than I guess the war on drugs has been an astounding achievement of money making destruction.
 
I mean is there really ANY chance this gets overturned??

They say it's "temporary" but I think that's bullshit.

I'm guessing there really isn't, that somehow the DEA just decided they'd heard too much about people getting high off this stuff and by god it had to stop!

Fuck it.

I mean in a year's time, probably much less, Kratom will be nothing but a fleeting fond memory, something that probably doesn't cross my mind very often, but I still wish I'd never discovered it just 2 years prior to it being banned.

There really was no point in getting so into something and suddenly having it taken away.

But boo fucking hoo.

Life goes on I guess.
 
Also, I know most won't care about the answer to this question, but I'm just wondering for the sake of argument, what is the status of Kratom's legality in Amsterdam in particular, as well as a number of other random cities in other countries and other countries in general?

I ask in particular about Amsterdam because of course they are so lax with weed and USED to have legal shrooms (they fact they don't anymore is retarded) and when I went there 12 years ago I thought it was FUCKING PARADISE.

If there's any other country/city I'd ever consider moving or at least going back to it would Amsterdam/The Netherlands.

I'd IMAGINE that Kratom is still legal there correct??

If so, who knows, maybe someday a long trip there might make it even more worth it than just the weed and the beautiful city alone already do.
 
Mycophile said:
Also, I know most won't care about the answer to this question, but I'm just wondering for the sake of argument, what is the status of Kratom's legality in Amsterdam in particular, as well as a number of other random cities in other countries and other countries in general?

I ask in particular about Amsterdam because of course they are so lax with weed and USED to have legal shrooms (they fact they don't anymore is retarded) and when I went there 12 years ago I thought it was FUCKING PARADISE.

If there's any other country/city I'd ever consider moving or at least going back to it would Amsterdam/The Netherlands.

I'd IMAGINE that Kratom is still legal there correct??

If so, who knows, maybe someday a long trip there might make it even more worth it than just the weed and the beautiful city alone already do.
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Legal questions aren't allowed, but in this case I think it's alright

As far as I know it's legal in Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, France, Norway and Italy.
 
That moment when you've been out of Kratom for 3 days and wake up to an email saying your package is being delivered TODAY. Gonna be a good day, folks.
 
Mycophile said:
Also, I know most won't care about the answer to this question, but I'm just wondering for the sake of argument, what is the status of Kratom's legality in Amsterdam in particular, as well as a number of other random cities in other countries and other countries in general?

I ask in particular about Amsterdam because of course they are so lax with weed and USED to have legal shrooms (they fact they don't anymore is retarded) and when I went there 12 years ago I thought it was FUCKING PARADISE.

If there's any other country/city I'd ever consider moving or at least going back to it would Amsterdam/The Netherlands.

I'd IMAGINE that Kratom is still legal there correct??

If so, who knows, maybe someday a long trip there might make it even more worth it than just the weed and the beautiful city alone already do.
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Agreed. Amsterdam (or other towns in the Netherlands) is the best city in the western world. Okay, I would probably get annoyed by the party/sex tourists after a short time, but nonetheless, there is no better place to go in the so called west. That the drugs aren't illegalized does not mean, that everyone is high all the time, which would be lame.
 
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