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Kratom - Fourth Experience - This time its recreational!

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Prologue
A bit of insight on my kratom usage. The first time i did it i special ordered some from a smokeshop (ground leaves) because i knew by the time it arrived i'd be withdrawaling from my worst hydrocodone dependency to date. The timing was impeccable and the foul tasting concoction saved my ass from my worst opiate w/d's (next to Opana).

As with any opiate(ish) trip report they tend to be relatively bland in explanation. While Kratom certainly can't compare to the tales of our psychonaut brothers it does hold an interesting intrigue among the opiate community for its legality in the US and relatively cheap cost. Realizing this plants substantial potential i had to purchase more!

The Trip
Substances taken:
-A few cheap beers
-5mg valium (prescribed twice a day for over 7 months now for anxiety)
-Kratom Super Indo Stem and Vein Powder

A couple of days ago i received a nice little package in the mail, 1 ounce of Kratom Super Indo Stem and Vein Powder. After a hard day of work i crack open that large envelope, unzip the plastic bag and take a whiff of that green-tea smelling powder. Tannish in color, very fine and somewhat gritty in texture.

Creation
I pour roughly 2 cups of water into a pot and dump 2 heaping tablespoons of this crazy stuff into the heated pot. After getting the mixture to a gentle boil and stirring occassionally within 15-20 minutes i proceeded to strain the brew with 2 coffee filters.

Slowly draining and soon clogging from excess powder, i got two more filters and wrapped the previous filter in it and squeezed the rest of those green juices into my glass. Wrang that bitch dry.

The Buzz
After a couple beers waiting for kratom tea to boil and get just right i added a bit of coffee sweetener and drank it over the course of 20 minutes. The buzz was fantastic. It's definitely got it's own characteristics, warming like vicodin, kind of trippy, ever so slightly like marijuana (and i hate marijuana) but enjoyable.

My body has some tingling in the arms and legs. I feel weighted down similar to an indica marijuana body-buzz. The eyes have become spacey yet my mind is completely focused. Anxiety is non-existant and stress melted away. The synergy of just a few beers and kratom really is something else. I don't have any desire to drink more alcohol, nor any more kratom. I'm just content, you know, one of an opiates best effects on the mind. Compared to hydrocodone, oxymorophone, or any other opiate, Kratom does not cause the same sense of apathy, its more sociable. It uplifts the spirit.

Conclusion
A great substance to unwind to after work. Hell i took it at 10pm and it's already 1am, where in gods name did the time go?
Seeing as how i have been taking Kratom tea every day since my hydrocodone w/d's (four days ago), i wonder if this actually got rid of my w/d's or merely prolonged the inevitable... maybe someone could answer this.


Aside from the trip report i have a question for other, more experienced kratom users; how the hell do you possibly need 20-30grams per drink of this stuff? The type i obtained is incredibly potent, taking an entire ounce of this powder i think would make me nod my nuts off... or freak out. It just seems unrealistic to need that massive quantity just to get high.:(
 
Kratom has become a bit of a favourite of mine in the last few years. The only thing I don't like is that I ocasionaly get a fairly bad come down from it.

Suppodely there is a lot of variability in how potent the leaves are the 20 - 30 g. is for regular leaves, also I guess powdering the leaves means a more efficent transfer of alkaloids into the tea. I usually take between 5 - 10g of indo premium powder and just chug the powder with a little water. I have also found like quite a few people that the extracts are no where near as effective as they should be.
 
Kratom is defiantly great, I can't wait to try some this week. Ive been off it for about 3 weeks to let my tolerance drop. I find Indo to be a bit to stimulating, it actually gave me a panic attack once.
 
It seems my sweet spot is about 20g. I'm curious to take more, slightly reluctant, but definitely curious. When I take 20g, I seem to get a nice balance of sedation and stimulation. It's like I'm super chilled out, euphoric, and relaxed, while at the same time I have plenty of energy, I'm more social, I want to just chat it up with friends, rape my girlfriend, etc.. I can easily compare it to a low dose of MDMA. This is a VERY social drug while at the same time great for just chillin'. I always notice about ~15 minutes after I finish my cup, I start cleaning the house like a mad man.....without fail. Every time.

I would like to find a way to achieve a strong euphoria from it. I want to take a high amount, at least once, to see exactly how euphoric this stuff can get. I love intense experiences, and kratom feels promising. I just can't help but wonder.....if 20g feels like a low dose of MDMA, what does 30g feel like? 40g? More? Could I possibly achieve a nearly-rolling experience? At what dosage does it become toxic/unsafe? For example, I rolled at an event the other night with friends, and the molly turned out to be shitty, but still felt good for what it was. I was definitely high from 200mg, simply just not rollin' bawlz. I dosed on 18g of kratom the next day and had trouble deciding which felt better. That says a lot...

As of late, kratom has rocketed up my drugs of choice list, all factors considered. Call me crazy, but not including the real hard stuff, especially IV opiates, as far as I'm concerned, kratom > pods > oxy > hydro. Yeeeeep I said it. :)

Kratom
  • 100% legal
  • Shipped to your door step, no shady dealers, no cuts, no traveling to the projects to get it
  • Cheaper and by far more cost effective. For the price of one or two 5mg oxys (which won't do very much for anyone), you could be blissfully pinned for nearly half a day.
  • It is stimulating as opposed to sedating, but not jittery or tweaky. It's simply a clean feeling of wakefullness.
  • Safer, and less addictive than traditional opiates.
  • Did I mention it's legal and shipped to your doorstep?
  • 100% organic and natural.
  • You can feel effects within 15 minutes, and be peaking within the hour, and stay that way for several hours.
  • Doesn't really have much awareness, therefore it's unlikely to be scheduled any time soon. Unlike mephedrone which got banned quickly because the media freaked out over it.
  • Actually has a very mild psychadelic quality to it. Music enhancement, mild CEV's, and even some introspective thoughts, however they are usually very positive thoughs due to the euphoria.
  • Oxy, hydro, heroin, morphine, etc., all have a stigma and if someone finds out you use them, you will be judged and things will be assumed. Kratom can easily be concealed as a tea, or herbal remedy, or an oriental medicine or something. I know, stupid point to make, but still relevant. I had to use this excuse once when a opiate-addicted friend asked what was in that jar on my desk. :)
  • Kind of related to the above point: You can easily make a bottle of kratom tea "to go" and chug it right in front of a cop, or at work, or walking down the street, and not even raise an eyebrow. Pop some pills, or bust out a rig, and see what Mr. Officer has to say.
  • Shipped to your door. Legal.
  • Not much fluctuation in price. Seems consistently cheap.

Poppy pods
  • Legal-ish. Sure, you can order them from the net, but once you start crushing them up, you've broken the law and are now "manufacturing a narcotic".
  • They can be grown legally, but again, as soon as you harvest them, you're manufacturing. Also, just wait until the addicts find out you have these growing in your yard. That will be fun to deal with!
  • Extremely addicting.
  • There is always a risk of eating a moldy/bad pod, and ending up in the hospital and/or dying.
  • Potency is never consistent, actual drug-intake is impossible to measure without lab equipment, and there's always that gamble you're taking upon eating pods. Will this one pod be the be-all-end-all pod that just so happens to have produced 4x the morphine content, result in OD? Did I just buy a box of pods that don't do shit? These are the questions you must wonder with pods.
  • Prices fluctuate more than anything I've ever seen. When they're in season, the price cannot be beat. A good strong cup of pod tea usually lasts a good day and a half for me. To stay that high, for that long on anything else would be very costly.....except kratom. :) However, when they're not in season.....well.....why don't you go ahead and check current prices yourself. They're currently about 5x what they were in the summer....if you can even find a site that isn't out of stock.
  • Too long of preparation time. I want my damn opiates NOW, not ~30 minutes from now when my tea is steeped and ready. Especially considering how long it takes to kick in. Usually took me a good 2+ hours to feel peak effects. If I want to get high on pods, I'll be good and high about 3 hours from now. Kratom, ~30 mins and I feel awesome.

Oxy/hydro/pills
  • EXPENSIVE!!!!!
  • Very illegal unless scripted.
  • Insanely addicting.
  • Synthetic.
  • Usually bought from shady dealers, with possibility of being sold fakes. I hear about fake OC80's flying around all the time.
  • The most common pills (vikes and percs) have APAP in them, which is bad for you (especially those of us that enjoy a few beers with our opiates), and also prevents the pills from being any good for insufflating.
  • What's your excuse when your parent/guardian/roommate/grandma/wife/dog/neighbor/cop/other person who doesn't approve of drugs finds your little baggy of pills? Prepare for an intervention.


Sorry for the bullet points, I'm just mad bored at work.... :p
 
I have to say that I love your bullet points and I've never said that to another man before. :D


About kratom. I hear conflicting arguments about leaf vs extract. The reason I ask, is because all I ever see in my limited searches is the extract. So extract. Good or bad? Not in comparison to the leaf. Just in its on category.
 
It comes down to cost:effectiveness ratio. I even saw a kratom site that had a comparison chart, and it listed out the ratios of the price of a typical dosage of all the different kratoms they carried. When it came down to it, a typical dose of basic kratom indo powdered leaf (the cheapest stuff they have) cost seven times less than a typical dose with their best extract.

Put it this way, if a batch of apples cost $1, and a jar of applesauce consisting of the same amount of apple matter as the batch would cost $7 if the price ratio was similar to kratom.

So in short, go for the powdered leaf if you don't mind chugging the nastyness (it gets easier and easier if you hold your nose). If you absolutely can't move past it, try the extracts.
 
HisNameIsFrank said:
About kratom. I hear conflicting arguments about leaf vs extract. The reason I ask, is because all I ever see in my limited searches is the extract. So extract. Good or bad? Not in comparison to the leaf. Just in its on category.
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With my previous purchase of 2 oz of kratom leaf powder i also ordered Kratom extract (x15)... as well as some kava extract pills (84% kavalactones!).
Some qualitative notes about the extract:
It is far more sedating and potent than drinking my amounts of kratom ground leaf powder. Maybe the extract comes from different strain. Chug the whole thing you're high for about.... 3-4 hours. Less liquid to drink, pre-flavored (at least mine was), as well as detailed information on the bottle about kratom and desired dosages all on the label.
However it gives some negative aspects that other opiates give to me, getting irritable when people talk to me while im high on the stuff.

But really extract is just not cost-effective compared to the ground leaf. Pay, say, 15 bucks for a small vial of kratom extract or 10 bucks for 2 ounces of ground leaf powder that'll last you a few days. If i could i'd buy the kratom extract and drink that everyday because of its potency, however the high doesn't last as long and the habit would rob my wallet just as bad as any pill addiction.

Sometimes i think it's an insult to compare kratom to other "true" opiates (such as dilaudid or oxymorphone), but (tar) heroin and morphine, to me, are pure shit compared to a few vicodin or 2mg dilaudid. Kratom is a way better high than 30mg morphine ever was for me, doesn't top hydrocodone/hydromorphone/oxymorphone, but its certainly better than trying to snort tar heroin or morph... i guess i'm just biased.

I see a lot of potential in this plant, i really can't wait to see what a chemist can do with modifying the 7-Hydroxymitragynine alkaloid. Then again, maybe we should stop playing God (or whoever) and leave this special substance as is.... greediness of euphoria will be its demise.

I suggest we all buy pounds of the stuff before word spreads and it becomes illegal!

On a side note, kratom also got rid of my small (but expensive) alcohol habit.

Apologies for being redundant or rambling, i'm quite doped up off 25gr of kratom!
 
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