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Opioids Kratom for suboxone withdraw

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purplehaze147

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I recently got cut off my suboxone. I was getting 8mg a day and I got kicked out the program for not showing up to iop a few times, I didn't relapse or nything as far as they know, shits fucked up.

I don't think I want to stay on suboxone, I think it may block your endorphins. I think I want to use Kratom to taper off. This would work right? How many grams of maeng de Kratom would I need for the first couple of days or so?
 
yeah as with most opiates it'll probably down regulate your bodies producyion of natural endorphins. It can take some time for them to realise they are needed again and to start delivering their positive effects. This is one of the things that makes opi w/d a bleak prospect. Though you have to believe that long term its worth perservering. Kratom is so much milder than Bupe, it may help a little, but as it also binds to the opiate recptors yiu arent really gaining any headway.
 
Yeah, bupe is actually a very strong opiate; it's possible you could feel some discomfort even with kratom. Telling you a precise amount to take that will stop WD would be impossible-there's just too much variation between strains and even batches. The Maeng Da kratom is really a "brand name" kratom, and not necessarily stronger than other strains it just costs a hell of a lot.

I will also be coming off of suboxone soon, so I've been buying quite a lot of kratom, phenibut, and loperamide. A lot of people say that lope really helps with opiate withdrawals, so it might be useful in combination with kratom. Also, kava might be worth trying.
 
Kratom works amazingly for suboxone withdrawal but I don't think maeng da is what you're looking for. It is a very stimulating strain making it useless for things like insomnia and RLS, Bali on the other hand was a god send. It has a very strong opiate like buzz with out any stimulation, IMO good quality Bali has a better buzz than hydrocodone. I waited 3 days after coming off of a large amount of sub to make sure I was in full blown w/d's before taking kratom. After those 3 days 5-6 grams of bali actually got me high. I stayed on kratom for over 6 months, taking about an ounce a day. The kratom w/d's were a fucking breeze compared to sub withdrawals. Last thing, when using kratom don't make it into a tea, you don't get all of the alkaloids with this method and it tastes like shit. I like to take 5 grams and mix it with about a half cup of orange juice in an empty water bottle. Kratom is truly an amazing thing, besides those first three days it kept me from feeling even the slightest bit of suboxone withdrawal
 
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Ok I actually found a cheap maeg da source and it's about the same price as Bali just a lil more expensive. Would tramadol work better than kratom? I have a lot at home. I have a couple subs left so I haven't tried it yet to see if it cures withdraw. I think kratom may be too expensive. I can see another doc to get more subs but I'm not sure if I want that, I want my brain to return back to normal and be able to get high off like 15mg of oxy once or twice a month, those were the days.
 
Another question... would a doc give me a script for codeine for the withdraws if I explain that codeine's much weaker and I don't want a strong opioid like bupe to get off bupe? He/she should know I wouldnt be able to get high off it if I show proof that I'm on subs.
 
Yes, tramadol is excellent for suboxone withdrawal, and I know this from personal experience. A couple years back, I was scripted 12 mg a day, and also using a further 8 mg of subutex, which I would IV. My subutex supplier was busted, and my script was reduced to 10 mg, meaning I went from 20 mg of bupe a day to 10, a very large reduction. I wasn't feeling full-blown withdrawals, but I felt very bad; my reduced dose simply wasn't holding me, as my tolerance had increased. I have access to tramadol, and decided to take some on the off-chance. I wasn't expecting much, thanks to bupes blocking effect, but for some reason I can't explain tramadol seems to work with bupe. I took 300 mg of tramadol, and not only did I not feel bad, I was also pretty high, and quite euphoric. As I adjusted to the smaller dose of suboxone, I decided to stop taking the tramadol, so I weaned myself off, reducing by 50 mg a week; when I reached zero, I experienced zero WD. Of course, if you're going cold turkey, it's likely you would need higher doses of tramadol, as its a weaker opiate than suboxone.

So yeah, tramadol will help your detox, but you just need to be extremely careful; it's an opiate, and a lot of people are running into serious addiction problems with this drug. If I were you, I'd use tramadol only as a last resort, and try to take only enough to make you comfortable. If you decide to take it, make sure you stay on it for a short a time as possible, and taper down. If you're set on using it, it might be a good idea to cycle your kratom with tramadol. As I posted above, loperamide and kava could really help as well. Also, you may want to bring cloniidine up with your DR; it will eliminate all that RLS shit, but be warned: cloniidine can have some adverse side effects, including lethargy among others.

Codeine would also help. However, codeine is a far, far weaker opiate than suboxone; to eliminate withdrawals, you would possibly need to take very large doses of codeine, again risking dependence, and your doctor probably wouldn't feel comfortable prescribing such doses. It goes without saying that you wouldn't be able to take it until there is no suboxone in your system. As for your doctor, in my country, there's no chance in hell they'd script me codeine; it's seen as a drug of abuse after all, more so than suboxone (which is strange).

I personally feel you should avoid using true opiates after suboxone.
 
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