Mental Health Kratom for anxiety and depression

[Mycophile]

I just felt like making this thread to see how others feel about this:


The other day I had the best experience on Kratom and it felt a lot like my last shroom trip where I just felt really peaceful and happy with life and it really made me bummed that I can't always feel like that, yet NOT because of the "high" so to speak but because I really felt at the time like it was "medicine" for my anxiety and depression.

I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and Depression yet on the right dosage of things like Kratom and Shrooms I can not only feel free of anxiety and depression but still "normal" and happy.

People would pass it off as "oh you are just happy cause your fucked up" and while Yes, of course the high makes me feel good, the truth is that I feel like it's more than that.

Other drugs like Oxycodone or alcohol or weed or nitrous all feel really good but not in the same way for me as things like Kratom and Shrooms because on those things I am "inebriated" and only feel good because of the high.

On the contrary, Kratom or a low dosage of shrooms make my mind Much clearer than it would be normally and I feel satisfied with life more than any anxiety medication I've ever been prescribed has done for me and even if the high may be what is doing that, any "intoxication" is secondary to just feeling like my mind is quieted.

However, unlike some I refuse completely to let myself get physically dependent on it so I won't take it more than 2-3 times a week...but I can see why a lot of people do.

I wish my normal every day consciousness was more like I feel on Kratom and I wish somehow I could meditate enough or learn auto-hypnosis or something so I could somehow make the way I feel on Kratom cross over to every day consciousness, but good fucking luck with that cause I'm not sure anyone can do it.

As I had that completely clear mind on Kratom, just feeling so much more "reasonable" and relaxed than I would when I am sober, it made me ask myself the question "why should I not have the right to feel this relaxed and happy about life every day when I'm sober??".

I've got a lot of good things in my life but why can I only appreciate them when on something like Kratom (other than like the 1 or 2 good days a year when I manage to do something extraordinary that makes me feel accomplished)??

It's not just wanting to be "fucked up" or high everyday, it's wanting to feel free of anxiety and normal everyday.

Not sure if anyone else can relate, but when I get the dosage right I feel it's better anxiety/depression medicine than anything else I've ever taken other than shrooms.

I wish I had a solution as to how I could feel more like that when sober.

Does anyone think there's any possible way to make these feelings I have on Kratom cross over to normal everyday consciousness when I'm sober or is it just because I'm high??

 

[NOtoInvega]

GAD and depression can be caused by many different things, not just a chemical imbalance (thought I should point that out).

Anyways, you can only make a difference in your sober life with kratom if you use the kratom to change your circumstances. Don't bother with hypnotism and mediation, imo. That is magic, especially the hypnotism. Praying will be much better than meditating. Hypnotic anchoring manipulates pathways in the human mind, and is something you should stay far away from. The unintentional hypnotic anchoring, the part where you just change your circumstances and live life, is not dangerous magic. God said something about not doing magic, if that means anything to you. Hypnotic anchoring, which is what you are looking at there, is what people use to manipulate what they should not be manipulating. It is used for spiritual deception. Don't trick yourself!

I hope I didn't give you any ideas, seriously, it is evil and it will hurt you in the long run.

But anyways, something you should do is appreciate what you love as much as you can when on the kratom. That will help you when you are sober. It will reinforce pathways in your mind, but not in the intentional manipulation way (magic).

Depression is hard to deal with. It is not just a chemical imbalance. It is a spiritual issue.. The physical can show you what is happening in the spiritual. The best thing you can do is use your time that you are on kratom to accomplish things that help you in life, or if you want - just enjoy what you enjoy as much as you can while on it to make you appreciate those things more when not on kratom.

Anyways, as far as how you feel, it is just because your dopamine, opiod, and adrenaline receptors are getting attention. You can't make that cross over. What you can do is take things that upregulate your dopamine receptors. You might want to look into that.

Take some kratom and watch The Daniel Project on hulu (it is free). That will help your sober life a lot.

It's more of a drug that should be used to function than to just get high with. I view it as a tool, not a toy. And do be careful to take time to think about and appreciate what you love when you are not on the kratom. Otherwise you will get addicted.

 

[Mycophile]

^^^^

What can I take to "upregulate my domaine receptors"?

 

[ld50 vs ssri]

GAD and depression can be caused by many different things, not just a chemical imbalance (thought I should point that out).

There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, there is no scientific test to even test or analyze such a thing, your the enemy i can smell it you bottom pit dweller scum working for big pharma and psychiatry as a pawn. don't worry you don't have to work for them any longer, just say no it's easy, what are they paying you.

You stink to high heavens of bullshit mate.

I knew there would be a few psychs trawling these boards, im going to nail each and every last mother fucking ones of you.

It's time to take out the trash and rid these boards of all the scum working for the big men once and for good, let's see if we can point them all out over deep analysis of there posts.

 

[NOtoInvega]

^^^^

What can I take to "upregulate my domaine receptors"?

Search for it. I forget the names. Hope everything works out for you. Just be careful. Tools not toys

 

[Smoky]

Well, it might be a little safer than some other drugs, but taking it a few times a week might initially help your anxiety/depression, seemingly, or 'feel' like it will… but could also make it worse in the long run after you've been taking these drugs for sometime.

Looking at the causes and conditions as to when the anxiety/depression began and working on that might be helpful. Yes, be careful. I use to use as I thought it made me feel normal but the brain will adapt to the drugs over time and the days in-between could become painful.

 

[Erikmen]

When I quit methadone I had an SOS consisted of small doses in case I made it through the first 4-5 days, even though that helped immensely, one doctor disagreed and said this was just prolonging the suffering.

Instead of going for a goal as straight forward as possible, trying to help me, by doing this it was re activating my receptors, and by doing it took 3 months, instead of say 25-35 days of the worst withdraws.

But the weight of benefits made this possible. So every week on the peak of my withdraw I was getting relief, like another deep breath and re starting again.

What the other doctor was missing was that my high anxiety together with depression that culminated whenever I reached 4-7 days off was making it impossible to accomplish.

And for about 2 weeks I couldn't even write it here on BL.
I was just exhausted!

What I'm trying to say is that you can prolong your withdraw as long as you have a clear goal. And for that you'll need medical follow up.

So be careful and follow your doctors' instructions. You need medical attention almost 24/7.

Good luck!!

 

[Mycophile]

When I quit methadone I had an SOS consisted of small doses in case I made it through the first 4-5 days, even though that helped immensely, one doctor disagreed and said this was just prolonging the suffering.

Instead of going for a goal as straight forward as possible, trying to help me, by doing this it was re activating my receptors, and by doing it took 3 months, instead of say 25-35 days of the worst withdraws.

But the weight of benefits made this possible. So every week on the peak of my withdraw I was getting relief, like another deep breath and re starting again.

What the other doctor was missing was that my high anxiety together with depression that culminated whenever I reached 4-7 days off was making it impossible to accomplish.

And for about 2 weeks I couldn't even write it here on BL.
I was just exhausted!

What I'm trying to say is that you can prolong your withdraw as long as you have a clear goal. And for that you'll need medical follow up.

So be careful and follow your doctors' instructions. You need medical attention almost 24/7.

Good luck!!

Good advice for those withdrawing from a substance, but I don't really know why you are mentioning this because I'm not withdrawing from anything.

I was only talking about how I wish psychiatrists would try out a larger variety of psychiatric medications with their patients rather than just the old standard SSRIs.

 

[Rachella666]

I just felt like making this thread to see how others feel about this:


The other day I had the best experience on Kratom and it felt a lot like my last shroom trip where I just felt really peaceful and happy with life and it really made me bummed that I can't always feel like that, yet NOT because of the "high" so to speak but because I really felt at the time like it was "medicine" for my anxiety and depression.

I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and Depression yet on the right dosage of things like Kratom and Shrooms I can not only feel free of anxiety and depression but still "normal" and happy.

People would pass it off as "oh you are just happy cause your fucked up" and while Yes, of course the high makes me feel good, the truth is that I feel like it's more than that.

Other drugs like Oxycodone or alcohol or weed or nitrous all feel really good but not in the same way for me as things like Kratom and Shrooms because on those things I am "inebriated" and only feel good because of the high.

On the contrary, Kratom or a low dosage of shrooms make my mind Much clearer than it would be normally and I feel satisfied with life more than any anxiety medication I've ever been prescribed has done for me and even if the high may be what is doing that, any "intoxication" is secondary to just feeling like my mind is quieted.

However, unlike some I refuse completely to let myself get physically dependent on it so I won't take it more than 2-3 times a week...but I can see why a lot of people do.

I wish my normal every day consciousness was more like I feel on Kratom and I wish somehow I could meditate enough or learn auto-hypnosis or something so I could somehow make the way I feel on Kratom cross over to every day consciousness, but good fucking luck with that cause I'm not sure anyone can do it.

As I had that completely clear mind on Kratom, just feeling so much more "reasonable" and relaxed than I would when I am sober, it made me ask myself the question "why should I not have the right to feel this relaxed and happy about life every day when I'm sober??".

I've got a lot of good things in my life but why can I only appreciate them when on something like Kratom (other than like the 1 or 2 good days a year when I manage to do something extraordinary that makes me feel accomplished)??

It's not just wanting to be "fucked up" or high everyday, it's wanting to feel free of anxiety and normal everyday.

Not sure if anyone else can relate, but when I get the dosage right I feel it's better anxiety/depression medicine than anything else I've ever taken other than shrooms.

I wish I had a solution as to how I could feel more like that when sober.

Does anyone think there's any possible way to make these feelings I have on Kratom cross over to normal everyday consciousness when I'm sober or is it just because I'm high??

Thanks for posting this, i have bipolar, general anxiety disorder and suicidal tendancies, ive done a lot of research on kratom and have decided that it is for me, ive had enough of psychiatrists and being medicated to the eyeballs, ive just done 9 weeks in a psych ward here in Ireland, i was followed everywhere, they watched me in the toilet, shower etc...it was hell on earth, i really wish that psychiatrists would take a more alternative route as opposed to the ssri snri route, are you taking presciibed meds?xxxRachelxxx

 

[Mycophile]

Thanks for posting this, i have bipolar, general anxiety disorder and suicidal tendancies, ive done a lot of research on kratom and have decided that it is for me, ive had enough of psychiatrists and being medicated to the eyeballs, ive just done 9 weeks in a psych ward here in Ireland, i was followed everywhere, they watched me in the toilet, shower etc...it was hell on earth, i really wish that psychiatrists would take a more alternative route as opposed to the ssri snri route, are you taking presciibed meds?xxxRachelxxx

I'm sorry to hear about your problems.

Yes I am taking Lexapro, started 6 weeks ago and I think it MIGHT helping a little bit but not that much.

They forced me to stop taking Klonopin which was helping me and I really think it's not fair.

I agree that doctors should be willing to prescribe a lot of things they refuse to prescribe.

For example, I think things like Kratom, Shrooms, CLEAN LSD (like gel tabs), possibly things like Prolintane which I've heard about, and many other types of Psychedelics and disassociates all have potential to help people but doctor refuse.

Anyway, I like Kratom but be careful, it can be VERY addictive and causes some people to have BAD withdrawal symptoms so I would recommend you never use it ABSOLUTE MAX any more than 3 days a week, preferably closer to 2.

I have still never done it more than 3 days a week and have so far avoided physical dependence on it.

Some people choose to take it daily but they all become addicted and a lot of them then end up turning to harder opiates like Oxycontin and Heroin which I would suggest you stay FAR away from.

But I think it's AMAZING for all my issues, from my Generalized Anxiety to my social anxiety to my depression, it is good for them all.

Also, be aware that for some people like me it will keep me up all night unless I take it AT LEAST like 8 hours before bed.

Other than those warnings, it be a pretty nice drug.

Good luck.

 

[scottd420]

Hey Mycophile, I have some of the same problems as you only I'm an opioid addict as well, so I can offer you some insight of what your life will be like if you decide to keep dosing kratom three times per week. At this rate you WILL become physically dependent, it will just take a little longer. Drugs like kratom as one of the above posters said work on the Mu opiate receptor in the brain, in turn it releases large amounts of dopamine in of the most primal parts of brain, at first. Eventually tolerance sets in and you can no longer get those beneficial effects. If I'm not mistaken kratom also has a ceiling dose, meaning it doesn't get more potent as you increase dose, so when you hit the ceiling, the party's over. There are 3 main parts involved and one part controls memory, meaning you'll never forget the good feelings you got from that causing you to have cravings for the rest of your life. They dim over time, but they'll be there for life. Also, since you'll be dependent, if you ever use it again you'll be dependent and be in withdrawal from only a few days use.
The reason the doctors refuse to prescribe other drugs that have worked for you definitely has to do with their legal status, not so much that people don't want to help you. Those drugs are in a classification that no one can prescribe, not even the Surgeon General (I'm assuming you're in the USA, though I'm from Canada). Also, they have drugs that have been proven to be more effective and have lesser side-effect profiles. Not to say that you can't trip out on shrooms whenever you feel like it. Physically they're way less harmful addiction-wise compared to kratom. I'm not saying don't use it, I'm just saying be very careful and expect to pay the consequences for your actions, I've been there dude. Remember your doctors work for you. You need to speak up and tell them what you're using isn't working how you need it to be and ask them if there is anything else that would suit you that you could try. There are tons of different anti-depressants with different properties that work differently in everyone and they're very willing to explore those. If you have anxiety and no history of addiction, ask about benzos for your anxiety, or quetiapine (also known as Seroquel) which can help with both anxiety & depression.
Side note: When you take a weaker opioid like kratom (or codeine) when detoxing from a strong opioid it will prolong the withdrawal, but it will be less intense. Think of it as a jet landing, they never come crashing down really fast and slam into the ground, because that is dangerous, instead they take a soft slow approach and land slowly and carefully. Now you will need to expect minor withdrawal for a few more days coming off the weak opioid (kratom or codeine), but it is nothing compared to a strong one. Assuming you took it long enough for the other withdrawal to clear, since morphine may only take 7 days, whereas methadone could be upward of a month or that many weeks.
Just to prove that some psychiatrists are cool, if you look up on the web you'll see there is another state-sponsored run at using MDMA in the treatment of things like severe PTSD etc. so patients can open up and confront their problems they block out or constantly obsess over. This may lead to a re-classification (to the same class cocaine is in) and may eventually be a drug that could be prescribed in the future.

 

[Mycophile]

Hey Mycophile, I have some of the same problems as you only I'm an opioid addict as well, so I can offer you some insight of what your life will be like if you decide to keep dosing kratom three times per week. At this rate you WILL become physically dependent, it will just take a little longer. Drugs like kratom as one of the above posters said work on the Mu opiate receptor in the brain, in turn it releases large amounts of dopamine in of the most primal parts of brain, at first. Eventually tolerance sets in and you can no longer get those beneficial effects. If I'm not mistaken kratom also has a ceiling dose, meaning it doesn't get more potent as you increase dose, so when you hit the ceiling, the party's over. There are 3 main parts involved and one part controls memory, meaning you'll never forget the good feelings you got from that causing you
to have cravings for the rest of your life. They dim over time, but they'll be there for life. Also, since you'll be dependent, if you ever use it again you'll be dependent and be in withdrawal from only a few days use.
The reason the doctors refuse to prescribe other drugs that have worked for you definitely has to do with their legal status, not so much that people don't want to help you. Those drugs are in a classification that no one can prescribe, not even the Surgeon General (I'm assuming you're in the USA, though I'm from Canada). Also, they have drugs that have been proven to be more effective and have lesser side-effect profiles. Not to say that you can't trip out on shrooms whenever you feel like it. Physically they're way less harmful addiction-wise compared to kratom. I'm not saying don't use it, I'm just saying be very careful and expect to pay the consequences for your actions, I've been there dude. Remember your doctors work for you. You need to speak up and tell them what you're using isn't working how you need it to be and ask them if there is anything else that would suit you that you could try. There are tons of different anti-depressants with different properties that work differently in everyone and they're very willing to explore those. If you have anxiety and no history of addiction, ask about benzos for your anxiety, or quetiapine (also known as Seroquel) which can help with both anxiety & depression.
Side note: When you take a weaker opioid like kratom (or codeine) when detoxing from a strong opioid it will prolong the withdrawal, but it will be less intense. Think of it as a jet landing, they never come crashing down really fast and slam into the ground, because that is dangerous, instead they take a soft slow approach and land slowly and carefully. Now you will need to expect minor withdrawal for a few more days coming off the weak opioid (kratom or codeine), but it is nothing compared to a strong one. Assuming you took it long enough for the other withdrawal to clear, since morphine may only take 7 days, whereas methadone could be upward of a month or that many weeks.
Just to prove that some psychiatrists are cool, if you look up on the web you'll see there is another state-sponsored run at using MDMA in the treatment of things like severe PTSD etc. so patients can open up and confront their problems they block out or constantly obsess over. This may lead to a re-classification (to the same class cocaine is in) and may eventually be a drug that could be prescribed in the future.

This scares the shit out of me.

Why are you so sure that 3 times a week will get me physically dependent when some other people on here with just as much opiate experience as you have said that IF i could stick to 3 days a week (the IF part is the big thing) that I could avoid physical dependence???

I Really fucking like Kratom and I want to be able to use it 2-3 days a week and don't want to have to stop.

Some posters have even said, quote "assuming a person COULD stick to 2 days a week they could even do heroin without getting addicted, it's just the mental addiction that is so hard".

So even if I assume you are right (which I am not so sure of even with your experience since others have said otherwise), how often could I do Kratom and NOT get addicted??

 

[Mycophile]

Also Scottd420: I know you said you are an opioid addict but how often have you done Kratom??

It's not EXACTLY the same as all opiates.

Which opiates are you addicted to if I may ask?

 

[SixBuckets]

Good advice for those withdrawing from a substance, but I don't really know why you are mentioning this because I'm not withdrawing from anything.

I was only talking about how I wish psychiatrists would try out a larger variety of psychiatric medications with their patients rather than just the old standard SSRIs.

Are you just taking an SSRI (as well as your recreational stuff)?

 

[Mycophile]

Are you just taking an SSRI (as well as your recreational stuff)?

You mean am I only prescribed my SSRI?

Yes.

I was on Klonopin for 11 years but my doctor dropped me which I think was pretty fucked up.

Why do you ask?

 

[SixBuckets]

You mean am I only prescribed my SSRI?

Yes.

I was on Klonopin for 11 years but my doctor dropped me which I think was pretty fucked up.

Why do you ask?

I didn't find SSRIs very effective for treating anxiety. They took the edge off, but I was still not very functional.

My current meds have me generally happy and satisfied with life, but obviously may not work that way for everyone. Might be worth looking into trying other prescription medications not in the SSRI family, like SNRIs?

 

[Mycophile]

I didn't find SSRIs very effective for treating anxiety. They took the edge off, but I was still not very functional.

My current meds have me generally happy and satisfied with life, but obviously may not work that way for everyone. Might be worth looking into trying other prescription medications not in the SSRI family, like SNRIs?

What meds are you on currently?

I only just started Lexapro so I need to see if it works first but I have heard of some people with MUCH worse anxiety than me who were housebound and nearly did a complete 180 from Lexapro so it can help.

Also, my psych. is an idiot and barely prescribes anything other than SSRIs.

What have you found to be effective?