Opioids Kratom Extract Side Effects

[blight12]

Soz, I cant find the mega thread. Just a quick one:

I got some SEM extract for occasional rec sessions.
This stuff is "kick you in the head" strong.

Having no opiate experience, I wanted to confirm if the below effects are normal for opiates:

1. Serious difficulty focusing eyes, seems similar to MDMA nystagmus
2. Walking difficulty, shaking hands, stumbling
3. Very sedated (this seems obvious but its just very different from the stimulated effects on normal leaf)
4. Anxiety about your health, more then normal concern
5. Very dry mouth. Is dehydration a concern?

Lastly, how safe are the strong extracts in terms of OD by itself and with some alcohol (a little alcohol helps with the anxiety)?
I stress myself sometimes cause it feels i might have taken to much and be in danger.
What are the sings of danger for Kratom specifically (if any)?

Thanks.

 

[Krat0m]

1 yes extracts of kratom can be overwhelming to new users and can most certainly cause trouble focusing. 2 yes and no. Walking difficultly I can see but the shaking hands I have never experienced unless I was in withdrawal. 3 Yes. 4 Yes it's only normal to be concerned about your well being. 5 Drink lots of water as kratom can cause constipation. Or take stool softeners you do not want to get backed up for a few days and then find your self on the toilet trying to push out a soup can.

 

[bronson]

The shaking hands is the part that concerns me most. I know a lot of kratom being sold through various vendors has been, in the past at least, cut with tramadol. This leads to people taking higher doses of tramadol than is advisable, one of the common effects of which is seizure. If it were me, I'd take it as a warning sign and try to discontinue use.

Also, be very careful when adding alcohol to the mix. Combining CNS depressants is one of the most dangerous combos out there.

 

[blight12]

The shaking hands is the part that concerns me most. I know a lot of kratom being sold through various vendors has been, in the past at least, cut with tramadol. This leads to people taking higher doses of tramadol than is advisable, one of the common effects of which is seizure. If it were me, I'd take it as a warning sign and try to discontinue use.

Also, be very careful when adding alcohol to the mix. Combining CNS depressants is one of the most dangerous combos out there.

Thanks. Can you confirm why the shacking hands is concerning, what it might be caused by if it where tramadol. Note I am on 50mg paxil as well.

I dont think its a cut issue though since i remember the same issues when dosing high in the beginning days of plain leaf.

 

[pbuilder]

^if I remember correct, tramadol is also a SNRI. The norepinephrine would likely be the cause. Also tramadol lowers your seizure threshold.

 

[bronson]

Correct, and if there is a cut of tramadol, then both that and the paxil being taken together by the OP would inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. This could cause Serotonin Syndrome. Mild symptoms often include:

Mild symptoms may only consist of increased heart rate, shivering, sweating, dilated pupils, myoclonus (intermittent tremor or twitching), as well as overresponsive reflexes.

Just something to consider as the cause of what you're experiencing, but really it's only speculative as to if it's cut or not.

 

[RobotRipping]

i don't think any kratom is cut with tramadol. It was for a period cut with o-dt in europe but that's over afaik.

those side effects aren't normal. The trouble focusing and eye wiggles are rather common of a high dose. I've had SEM before and it wasn't bad but wasn't great either. The other symptoms may be unrelated or perhaps you're just having a weird reaction. Kratom isn't very sedating, regardless of strain but i guess people experience it differently. Maybe you are just sick or something. For now i'd stop taking kratom and be sure that it is indeed doing these things to you.

i'm pretty sure no one has died of a kratom OD. You will get extremely sick if you hit the right dose so it's kind of hard to OD from as your body will throw up any excess of kratom you have ingested. It's an extremely safe plant. Kratom can cause anxiety for some, which would explain why you start thinking about your health. Usually psychedelics do that to me lol. Take a few days off and try again another time and see what happens.

 

[daytryptr]

Could be cut with tramadol, or other adulterants as already stated. It could also be that mitragynine has adrenic affects as well, like its structural cousin yohimbine. I know i had some fairly SEVERE panic attacks after taking kratom and smoking cannabis after working all day drinking coffee and monsters. The coctail of drugs does not make it easy to draw a connection in that example, but cannabis and caffeine would not do what that did to me alone. It was a full blown 150+ bpm shaking, nauseous, agitated, hell. Those were isolated incidents though, and i don't really get that much at all from the combo anymore. Could be tolerance, or just the set/setting that caused those issues.

In any case, in lower doses, and high doses too really, kratom is a bit of a speedball imho. I think its from the adrenic activity, but theres so many alkaloids, and very little research on how exactly they act in the brain, its speculation.

Never got any kind of the symptoms the OP describes from kratom alone. The opiateness of it tends to smooth out the stimulation in any dose ime.

 

[Tarnum]

#4 is most likely psychological
And no doesnt happen on opiates but then again, kratom has opioid effects, not actually an opiate.
I do notice all that from kratom though if i take too much but i havent done any extracts yet
But it makes sense that an extract thats basically alot of kratom would have those effects..unless it was pure of that mitragynine alkaloid

And i thought only smoke shops sold krypton, the kratom that was laced with desmethyltramadol...
I doubt onlnine vendors are doing that, in fact if i knew a vendor that did that, i would buy some right away

That being said, im positive it was just too much kratom because those same effects have happened to me with large doses, on otherwise good,same kratom in moderate doses

 

[blight12]

Thanks guys, the feel of the hands shaking leaves me not to concerned, it doesnt feel like an issue if that makes sense, it could also be described as trembling or unsteadiness and by that I mean its not as "fast" as shaking if that makes sense.

To be honest i am still struggling with dose, I have always experienced far to much stimulation with leaf, it sucks, im a stim (meth) user now as well ans the kratom stimulation feels like a meth dose thats to small with the annoying type of stimulation, in a sense it gives me more side effects then meth does at the right dose which really pisses me off, so i guess i always take extra in the hope of more of that opiate goodness (even though ive never tried one), and its never enough, it would be enough, an awesome subtle magic, if the fucking stimulation wasnt there ruining it. I dont want to get anxious, like a comedown on Kratom which I know people enjoy ffs.

So yeah, i need to do the less is more thing, i just can help trying 1 more time, but look the sedation on the extracts was a nice change to leaf.

Funny thing i bought UEI from the same vendor in the same shipment and it does nothing? Im stumped, the SEM works fine though. They did say it wasnt the normal UEI but still, to use that name its goto be close right? Odd

Anyways i think im im always comparing to the perfection of meth at the right dose. Cant really compare Kratom to that big guy.

I guess the take away is to get some real Heroin instead right, why mess with imitations when you can get the real deal. Thanks you all for helping me see this as the best way forward

 

[FlawedByDesign]

If you're looking for that opiate goodness, try bali or red vein borneo. They are the only two strains I use because they are all sedation and no stimulation.

 

[RegisteredStoneeer]

To be honest i am still struggling with dose, I have always experienced far to much stimulation with leaf, it sucks, im a stim (meth) user now as well ans the kratom stimulation feels like a meth dose thats to small with the annoying type of stimulation, in a sense it gives me more side effects then meth does at the right dose which really pisses me off, so i guess i always take extra in the hope of more of that opiate goodness (even though ive never tried one), and its never enough, it would be enough, an awesome subtle magic, if the fucking stimulation wasnt there ruining it.

Well man, there is your problem. So you do meth, That means you are used to a pretty strong drug(no offense.) The thing about kratom, like everyone said, is it is sedating and stimulating.
I used to use it and would commonly get shakey hands like your describing. (regularly dosing 8-14grams strong leaf)
I DO NOT think its tramadol. (Someone show me a study, how this is even possible?)


Now the problem is you can't take a higher dose and get to the opiate goodness your looking for. TRUST ME. I've tried oxy,hydrocodone,oxymorphone,hydromorphone,heroin,codeine,morphine.
Kratom doses hit with a warm feeling of sedation almost akin to chillin on vics, and stimulating occurs simultaneously. Dosing more, FEELS LIKE you would get increased effects as this is the case with the common opiates I mentioned above, but kratom just makes you feel worse side effects and worse in general if dosing too high. It isn't a drug for that.

EDIT:Anyway, so I Think you have been taking too high of doses and getting all these uncomfortable side effects, just lower your dose.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

The shaking hands is the part that concerns me most. I know a lot of kratom being sold through various vendors has been, in the past at least, cut with tramadol. This leads to people taking higher doses of tramadol than is advisable, one of the common effects of which is seizure. If it were me, I'd take it as a warning sign and try to discontinue use.

Also, be very careful when adding alcohol to the mix. Combining CNS depressants is one of the most dangerous combos out there.

Solid advice in the name of HR but honestly you'd be pretty hard pressed to find any vendor still cutting their stuff with o-dsmt. It's not to say impossible but very unlikely especially since the price of it jumped up. I'd say it's far more likely that OP is just sensitive to the stimulating properties and or his extract has a little more of the less desirable alkaloids in it and it's not a very pure MIT extract. That's just me 2 cents though and OP should exercise caution no matter what