Harm Reduction Kratom, Clonidine, random thoughts

[tarman]

I wish clonidine was easier to get. Oh my goodness it helps so much. But the suboxone clinics give you such a hard time about it. I realize it's off label, but still.

Anyway, I'm trying to get off the kratom before it's illegal. It was way harder than I thought it would be. I was doing about 12g to 16g of regular powder per day. I was able to stop for like a week, then cave, then stop again, then cave, but go a few days.

But damn, I almost want to say Kratom is worse to quit than opiates/opioids.


Anyway, this is just a random thread. I've got some pregabalin and klonopin. I'm hopeful to quit once and for all. I've done it before. I was doing 8g a day of powder,and had some .5mg Xannies, and quit over a weekend with no problem, after many months of 8g a day. Anyway, we all react differently. I'm rambling. Have a nice day.

 

[puke]

I got these the other day, I only needed half of one and it was cool. The stronger ones go up into the 20's mg.

 

[puke]

Which countries is Kratom illegal in?

 

[Xyborg]

I would stay away from 7OH if you want to get off kratom. 7OH is an extremely potent extract. You will not be able to taper using it. Taper with you powder. When I tapered with powder I broke my dose up into 4 morning, lunch, when I got back home form work, and last one before bed. I use the toss and wash method on a completely empty stomach.

Borg

 

[puke]

Is the withdrawl bad from 7oh?

 

[Xyborg]

Is the withdrawl bad from 7oh?

I have not gone through it myself. But I have researched it, and it is wayyy worse than regular kratom powder.

 

[puke]

I have not gone through it myself. But I have researched it, and it is wayyy worse than regular kratom powder.

Bad as heroin?

 

[SeekingOblivion]

Both are such shitty and pitiful drugs honestly.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I highly advise against even experimenting with that 7OH stuff. It is way more potent than your Kratom powder. If you're really trying to get off, pick a long weekend to get through the worst part, use your comfort medications to do so and design a taper of some kind prior to that long weekend. Realistically, I'd like it if you could cut down 25% before even attempting this long weekend thing.

You also need a plan for what you're going to do when you actually have no Opioids ini your system. Relapse would make the whole exercise a bit of a waste.

 

[Syntherize]

I wish clonidine was easier to get. Oh my goodness it helps so much. But the suboxone clinics give you such a hard time about it. I realize it's off label, but still.

Anyway, I'm trying to get off the kratom before it's illegal. It was way harder than I thought it would be. I was doing about 12g to 16g of regular powder per day. I was able to stop for like a week, then cave, then stop again, then cave, but go a few days.

But damn, I almost want to say Kratom is worse to quit than opiates/opioids.


Anyway, this is just a random thread. I've got some pregabalin and klonopin. I'm hopeful to quit once and for all. I've done it before. I was doing 8g a day of powder,and had some .5mg Xannies, and quit over a weekend with no problem, after many months of 8g a day. Anyway, we all react differently. I'm rambling. Have a nice day.

The alprazolam will result it a much worse habit than the kratom. You need to learn how to taper off the kratom slowly instead of trying to jump off from higher doses right away. Get some measuring spoons from the Dollar General and start with tablespoons and then move on to teaspoons, quarter teaspoons, etc. Godspeed

 

[Syntherize]

Bad as heroin?

Yes, and 7-OH (~7-10x more potent than morphine) is not a true kratom extract, so it shouldn’t be considered a “natural” kratom product since what they do is chemically convert standard mitragynine in kratom leaf into high levels of 7-OH. Natural kratom leaf has less than .05% 7-OH in it but the human body does convert some Mit into 7-OH in the liver too; however, not in these kinds of levels. In order to get 20mg of 7-OH from eating standard leaf you’d need to consume multiple kilos worth of powder and you’d probably just end up sick and puking smh lol.

 

[puke]

That's a good point, Kratom vs. Liver. I'll bet it ends up it's really bad for that also.

 

[PtahTek]

my understanding (not law fo sho) is that if ya keep it at around 10g a day or under its not so hard to get off. over that and one is asking for trouble.
what makes you think it will become illegal? i may just be out of touch with whats been goin on lately so maybe I missed something, idk?

seems like ya have all thats needed (if needed it may just be the thought of quitting thats causing the angst) to get off. ya have bnz and pregab shouldnt be too hard in ya. just an opinion....

been taking kratom since 2018 and liver function tests are still coming back in the good
got one coming up wed

 

[Syntherize]

my understanding (not law fo sho) is that if ya keep it at around 10g a day or under its not so hard to get off. over that and one is asking for trouble.
what makes you think it will become illegal? i may just be out of touch with whats been goin on lately so maybe I missed something, idk?

seems like ya have all thats needed (if needed it may just be the thought of quitting thats causing the angst) to get off. ya have bnz and pregab shouldnt be too hard in ya. just an opinion....

been taking kratom since 2018 and liver function tests are still coming back in the good
got one coming up wed

The American Kratom Association is protecting natural kratom leaf. The law in the USA is currently only going after extracts, 7-OH, MGM-15/MGM-16 (really bad), and I am okay with that. Avoid all those extracts and synthetics at all costs. Making your own natural kratom extracts at home isn’t hard either. Just soak in PG and shake it around in a bucket for a month routinely then just strain it and you won’t have to eat the powder if it doesn’t sit well in your stomach. I only use whole ground red vein leaf, so I don’t really care much for doing it but it isn’t difficult.