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Kratom - 1st time, low dose - mild & pleasant

SilverFeniks

SilverFeniks

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So .. something new!

Bit of a BG: I've been around BL / sampling + abusing drugs for damn near five years now. Thru that time, I've always smoked cannabis on/off [still love it, but have to lay off due to job search], had my raving days where I'd do all the MDMA / mushrooms / ketamine I could get .. then blew all that off and embraced oxycontin/methadone, off and on, leading to abuse of anything I could get.

Last year I stayed off most everything; just drank too much + smoked a fair share of herb; two shroom trips. Lately, tho, perhaps spawned by disappointing life progress and a single 20mg OC dose a few months ago [from a supply I gave my friend years ago!], I've been craving my blissful days again.
A month ago, a bum I met hooked me up with some methadone .. and I just now finished off some poppy tea [as recommended by another BLer], an experience which was hit/miss for me, and never above 'pretty good.'

A non-BLer friend told me to investigate kratom ... so today [fresh off the last of my poppies yesterday], I'm giving it a shot. Had nothing to eat but a banana and a vitamin today; feel a bit sleepy but great.
Sick of the hour-long poppy tea process, I've just put ~4 grams of dried Thai kratom [crushed leaves, i'll get to the powder @ the bottom later] into my coffee maker ... ran some scalding water through it, and now i've balled up the filter with the kratom leaves and am soaking it in the carafe [with base heat plate on] for 20 minutes.

Some of the kratom got into the carafe itself, so I removed the filter + refiltered all the kratom tea thru the filter. I've set the filter + wet leaf aside for later, and combined the kratom tea [~8 ounces] with some vanilla caramel coffee flavoring and some nutmeg.

I'll update this as the effects manifest ... I don't expect much, being both skeptical and using a low starter dose, but I'm eager in anticipation all the same.

OK .. drank the coffee-brew over the course of about 30 minutes. Tasted .. damn good!
I had to vacate my body's solid waste facilities ... but aside from one or two stomach gurgles, absolutely no naseau [only LSD and DXM have ever made me vomit].

For the last 15 minutes [elapsed time 45min, I've been sucking on / chewing / swallowing the wet leaves, as I'm afraid that perhaps I did not use enough.
So far, I've got a bit of stimulation going on - feels very natural + clean. I'm going mental on my typing, hopping back and forth on various forum windows; I have the urge to get up and move around rather than sit here on the computer.
Some liquid funk Drum&Bass hasn't sounded this good to me for years; I'm craving hardcore/punk to match my sensation of speed.
My overall mental state seems just slightly elevated; I seem to feel a tiny bit of dream-like fog creeping around the edges of my brain ... but as of now [one hour after I first started sipping the drink], effects are minimal overall.

Now its been One hour since I finished drinking the liquid. I've continued to munch on the leaves all this time.
Not much change in anything. Don't feel excessively happy/relaxed, but I'm still typing rapidly + eloquently [with a bit of overkill / overexpression], which I'm enjoying .. but I don't have the urge to communicate with my friends as I often do on opiates/stimulants. By now I'm sure I must have dosed too low to get any narcotic-like qualities out of the kratom, this time.

Two hours after I started drinking the brew; one hour after I started chewing leaves [still going], I'm a bit more calmed down / less stimulated than the initial come-up; maybe a tad more mental fog/relaxation. Overall, still nothing profound. I don't expect much more change at this point.
Eatin some snack food, as I'm hungry from not eating all day. Hunger + thirst appear very normal, as opposed to my unquenchable thirst + opiates / stimulants.

Now three hours after first ingestion .. and I guess I'll call this TR quits. Not much else to report. Still have a very mild feeling of being altered; tiny bit of a brain buzz, but nothing much else to report.
I've got plenty more kratom thankfully; I'll have to throw a reply onto this topic once I try it again with much more leaf :)

edit: one final comment, I do feel absolutely wonderful overall. Not high/altered/relaxed, just generally great, despite my weekend plans falling apart. Maybe this stuff works in the background :)

and finally, a comment from 9.5 hours after ingestion ... not sure if it's a coinkidink [I'm prone to mind-spinning shifts in mood/energy lately anyway], but all afternoon I've just felt terrific .. and very tweaked out, in a clean, unnoticeable way.
If the kratom is wholly responsible for this, then I am in love ...

Could have been cos I brewed + chewed the leaves? Maybe that's the absolute best way to wring out the worth of this plant.
Really was tasty + palatable, too! So much better than brewing pods anyway, shoot.

p.s. I changed the subject line .. but it doesn't change on the main TR forum page??
 
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You should have waited until the expereince was over, then wrote a proper trip report about it. If you dont update this thread soon, I may have to close it. Ill give you some time, but next time try to follow the rules!

Thanks
 
It's a bug in the forum software which used to shit me off when i modded this forum. It's what made me never vbother desigining a pulldown gadget search at the top of the forum, to pick a drug (and 2nd drug), exp level etc.. much like the erowid trip report vault. UYou probably need a mod to change it using edit thread. However after a certain period of time it may change back
 
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Sounds like kratom to me. Higher doss are more pronounced, although IMO it always feels very natural and clean. Be careful, though, and raise your dose by a gram each time, because having too much kratom causes a very uncomfortable dizziness and sometimes vomiting. And also be careful not to form a regular dosing schedule, because it will become physically addictive in the same manner as real opiates, although not as several as that nor for as long.
 
Today, not wanting to drink and experiencing severe urban rage [due to the evening traffic situation .. damn near got a cop after me ...], I came home, and decided to aim for some sedating effects, using ~7-8g of the leaf .. same method as before; soaked in warmed carafe water for 20 min, then ate much of the leaf [maybe 5-6g worth] as I drank down the liquid quickly.

Not the slightest hint of naseau [ I love my stomach!], but oh so quick was the body buzz! No time at all, really [as I eat little during the entire day].

Now I see just how something can be described as "simultaneously stimulating and sedating." I've got the hyperactivity and feeling of invisible sweat going on, with a very moderate + enjoyable overall slowed buzz feeling.
As I worship opiates over all other substances, I'm very pleased to have a more pronounced cooling effect this time around.

Between distance running and kratom, I think I've found a good replacement for cannabis in these times of necessary sobriety :)
 
Careful, man. Please just make sure you take at least one day off between uses, or if you use multiple days in a row, have a longer break afterwards. Addiction sneaks up on you, trust me. It's sneaky.

So how do you like it compared to real opiates? Personally, I find it better. The stimulation that it has is really excellent, in addition to the sedation that gives weaker opiates a run for their money. I also love how it leaves your emotions intact and your mind active, and there's no come down or aftereffects.
 
I'd say its much too weak to place on bar [or better than] opiates .. but I'm a lover of all things downer. Definately preferable to nothing, tho!

And don't worry, I plan to save it for weekends / special occasions .. I get home too late / am too busy after work to make it worthwhile for everyday use; I'm too poor to be using it all the time anyway :p

I do have to wonder how long it'll remain unscheduled .. my state legislators are talking about making Salvia Schedule I, independent of the Feds, just cos they heard some students have been using it 8)
 
I haven't personally done it, but the manufactured extracts are a serious rip-off. They standardize for mitragynine, and some also for 7-hydroxymitragynine, which are the two main alkaloids. But the problem is, there are a number of other lesser ones that seem to interact with each other to produce a fuller and more complex effect. The extracts I've tried seem "transparent" somehow, like they're missing aspects of the kratom high.

I wouldn't bother. But if you do, please report back about it!
 
SilverFeniks said:
I'd say its much too weak to place on bar [or better than] opiates .. but I'm a lover of all things downer. Definately preferable to nothing, tho!
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I wouldn't draw that conclusion after only a few experiences... you may not have hit on the correct dosage yet (kratom has a fairly narrow 'therapeutic index' i.e. difference between a really good high and feeling sick, and it typically takes a while to find the exact right dose for a given person.
 
Just to let everyone know, please don't buy the extracts. This was stated above, too, but I just wanted to second it. They are a TOTAL rip-off, scam, whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
 
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I wouldn't draw that conclusion after only a few experiences... you may not have hit on the correct dosage yet (kratom has a fairly narrow 'therapeutic index' i.e. difference between a really good high and feeling sick, and it typically takes a while to find the exact right dose for a given person.
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Very true. It's very easy to have too much or too little of kratom. But think of it this way. I've never had a problem with real opiates, even heroin, oxy, and morphine. I could always control them and I never felt that they were exciting enough to do every day - they always felt a little empty to me. Kratom at the right dose, however, has had me going in and out of addiction both physical and mental for over 3 years now. My friend used to like to call it "heroin tea". That is, until he started doing heroin or oxy every day, developed a huge opiate tolerance, and no longer thinks it works.

I can definitely say I've never had a hydrocodone experience as strong as kratom. Out of all the opiates I've tried, kratom reminds me the most of oxy, but with an additional cocaine/MDMA-ish edge to it.
 
I used kratom in an unhealthy, but more enjoyable way. I'd grid up 18-30 grams of commercial powder and brewed them in a tea w/ lemon juice for about 45 mins. After the tea was complete, I slammed the concoction as fast as possible, TASTED AWFUL. My mouth would usually go quite numb ten to fifteen minutes after I finished the glass. I was slightly stimulated at first but this quickly subsided into a dreamlike euphoria. I also felt an opiate-like numbness that is very pleasant. After about an hour and a half I'd vomit violently about three or four times, no doubt from the high dose and citric acid from lemon juice. I stopped buying kratom when the prices went up, again.
 
how do people get kratom? no sources but is it a grocery/wild plant/internet product/gift from god etc?
 
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I used kratom in an unhealthy, but more enjoyable way. I'd grid up 18-30 grams of commercial powder and brewed them in a tea w/ lemon juice for about 45 mins. After the tea was complete, I slammed the concoction as fast as possible, TASTED AWFUL. My mouth would usually go quite numb ten to fifteen minutes after I finished the glass. I was slightly stimulated at first but this quickly subsided into a dreamlike euphoria. I also felt an opiate-like numbness that is very pleasant. After about an hour and a half I'd vomit violently about three or four times, no doubt from the high dose and citric acid from lemon juice. I stopped buying kratom when the prices went up, again.
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Did you have previous opiate tolerance? I ask because people report such a wide range of effects. That may be due to different sources. Kratom's alkaloids break down pretty quickly if not stored in a freezer, and some vendors probably do not get fresh leaves, or if they do, they don't store them in a freezer or even in a refrigerator. I also store mine in my freezer after it arrives.

If I took 18 grams, I would be dizzy, barfing, and feeling horrible. I'd be bedridden and probably couldn't get up without throwing up and falling over until the next day. If I took 30, I don't even know what would happen. A few years back, it seemed that the kratom on the market was weaker. Then, I would take 12-20 grams, make it the traditional way (not grinding it up and making two water extractions) and experience strong effects. Now, I take 10 grams at max, usually more like 7 or 8 depending my tolerance. With no tolerance, I can't take more than 6 without feeling unpleasant and too intoxicated. But nowdays I grind it to a fine powder and pour boiled water over it, and drink the entire thing down after it cools.
 
I should say that I ever made the tea using completely powdered leaf (I crushed the leaf by hand, blender once) so I lost some of the alkaloid content during preperation, I also strained the plant material from the tea before consumption. The type I had was the average commercial variety sold 2 years ago. Upon close inspection of the leaves I noticed thay all were of the red-vein variety, which is supposedly weaker.

Nowadays I suspect I could get better kratom such as the premium commercial type or even the 15x extract, but the extract cost more than weed! I believe I got 180 grams of commercial leaf for 26USD, the guy also commonly gave double of the original order. Typing about it makes me want to experiment again:) .
 
kratom was never that great a experience for me. i used to get some euphoria, but the high only lasts about an hour and unlike the OP i felt like shit afterward. and don't even try to re-dose until about 12 hours have gone by because you're wasting kratom.
 
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even the 15x extract, but the extract cost more than weed!
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Yeah, and the extracts are totally weak. They're the worst possible type of kratom to buy, trust me (as I have loads of kratom experience). I firmly believe that the extracts are a marketing ploy.

I once got an amount of 10x extract because my supplier was out of regular leaves. Even at 3 grams (supposedly equal to 30 grams of leaf), it was weaker than 8 grams of regular leaf would have been for me. The extracts have one advantage over regular kratom, in that the high is smoother, less dizzying, and less nauseating. But it's also missing quite a few elements of the high. I do NOT recommend ever buying the extracts or resins. I only use the regular leaf, and this was a decision made by years of using kratom regularly. I needed to save money, and the best way to do so was the buy a pound or more of the regular leaf at once.
 
finished up my leaf today ... didn't brew it as I had it @ work with a very late lunch [threw it in some beans, heated it, ate it].

I'm so confused as to whether I really like it, or if it's a waste.
Such mild stimulation & mild opiated feeling ... again, preferable to nothing, but it leaves me wanting so much more!

Saturday, tho, I brewed + chewed a healthy dose, was just feeling majorly stimulated, when my best friend came over and offered me her pipe ... I'd been clean for so long [trying to get a job, failing] that I just had to indulge.
What happened to the hours after that, I have no clue ... she was driving and I was pretty much completely lost in the moments ... one of those poly-drug combos that just puts you out in the field, oblivious to the fact you're high and in a completely different realm than everyday life, until you come down :)

Hard question to answer no doubt .. but is there any possible benefit of taking high doses? Most of my doses were around 7-8 grams of leaf [I'm lightweight; leaf seems to be quality, and I tried to get the most out of them]; haven't experienced any sort of naseau / stomach discomfort at all, but I don't see the positive effects getting any stronger, only the negative ones manifesting themselves.

Any other combos I should try? i.e. other substances / herbs etc to potentiate / compliment the kratom experience?
 
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