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Benzos kpin fury

stray cat said:
the high doses of alcohol mixed with benzos is what brought on those symptoms in me.

i have, however, heard of benzos causing aggressive behavior in people w/out alcohol, and at what would be considered therapeutic doses. but essentialy, i think you're right; my theory is that in either case (mine w/ large quantities of benzos + alcohol or someone else who just has this unique reaction to benzos) that it probably has something to do w/ lowering of inhibitions and self-control. since not everyone has a high tolerance to these things and some people are very sensitive to them, it could present in relatively low doses
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Many people have mixed views on what a therapeutic dose of a benzo is....lots of people take ALOT more than they need simply because thats what everyone else does, and I think that over time, this has caused a general confusion with people concerning how much SHOULD be taken....compared to how much people actually take. Because benzos are WIDELY abused and I think that this abuse has spread into the community of legal benzo users (and the grey area in between) causing the general population to think they need higher doses to have simple therapeutic effects.

According to rxlist.com the reccomended dose for clonazepam used for anxiety is 0.25mg's/day...up to 1mg/day.

The reccomended dose of clonazepam for SEIZURES ..."should not exceed 1.5 mg/day divided into three doses."

.....and I know that tolerance developes and doses often need to be increased....but not to the levels that most people are taking, or are even prescribed. Doctors overprescribe benzos EXTREMELY often, simply because its easy for a patient to say that they dont "feel" the effects anymore, even though the drug may still be working on your anxiety or seizures, you just may not be getting that "buzz" you enjoyed from earlier doses. I can guarantee you that the average person prescribed clonazepam or alprazolam for anxiety or seizures are taking doses MUCH higher than the doses reccomended on medical websites. Its a simple case of over-prescription.....just like all the "ADHD" medications given out to any kid who ignores his teacher.
 
I haven't taken more than one 1mg haha.

Seems to make me calm, but anything can piss me off easier.

I might start a new topic on this, but does anyone have better short term memory with kpins? I remember to bring things with me, stims seem to actually make me forget.
 
Depressicaa said:
I haven't taken more than one 1mg haha.

Seems to make me calm, but anything can piss me off easier.

I might start a new topic on this, but does anyone have better short term memory with kpins? I remember to bring things with me, stims seem to actually make me forget.
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better? wow, ive never heard of anyone INCREASING there memory capacity by using benzos. thats a real shocker for me.

Ive only noticed memory loss, but at doses above 5-8 mg's(clonazepam,alprazolam)
 
I mean it can be placebo no doubt, and it can be other factors as well. I just noticed that my short term is a bit better, I remember to bring stuff rather than forget like I do on stims.
 
I dont know if mine is worse than most peoples.... but when I take benzos(xanax especially). I can't remember a damn thing I did while i'm on em. It's a good thing im not prescribed because I wouldnt last long being in school on benzos.
 
i switched from xanax to kpins alittle while ago cause the xanax wasnt stopping my anxiety anymore and it worked for about a week and i didnt get a "rage" i had a weird mental breakdown and just started crying and freaking out for no reason, stopped taking those haha and nowim just back on teh zanny 1mgs. I have a tolerence unfortunatly but they still seem to do the trick sometimes.... But, i have heard of people getting a sort of short temper on certain drugs, ive only seen benzos do that to someone when they were really intoxicated tho :/
 
I've been on 4mg of that shit since 2004 and all I can tell you is that its a similar and equally hard to understand situation as that with alcohol. For example when I drink personally 9/10 I will have a pleasant time however there is the rare 1/10 chance that I get not necessarily agressive but agressive in that I act in an irrational way, implusive and aggresive if I don't act on the impluse.

The same is true with benzos from my experience with the exception that benzos at least in my doses don't cause the same dopamine relase as alcohol therefore its just more of a sedated and agitated state at the same time however I am pretty sure that if I had a violent thought like wanting to hurt someone else on benzos I wouldn't even get out of bed where as on alcohol there is no telling what the fuck you do.

I never got abusive on benzos mainly b/c by that point the dose was so high I was so sedated I was barely making audible words out of my mouth lol
 
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please see my thread I posted on long term benzo treatment and loss of memory & cognitive functions

p.s. Its still a benzo but you might want to switch from clonazepam to the equivalent dose of bromazepam which is only shorter lasting by a bit (enough to notice though) and a bit more clear headed in my opinion while giving the medical propreties of clonazepam.
 
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I think maybe that the clonazepam might be helping you with short term memory in the respect that you are taking small doses, which slightly relax you, to the point where it's easier for your brain to "organize" things but not too much sedation to the point you start forgetting things(memory loss).

could I be right?
 
Yes that could be the right reason. Stims just make me overconfident and therefore I forgot things I shouldn't. I don't know if I wanna take them together, I know stims are better for learning and kpins might just help me relax during that time.

Fuck it I'm not some sort of dumbass, only one way to find out! :D
 
jamesBrown said:
Thats funny, I have NEVER heard of anyone becoming agitated while under the influence of any significant amount of benzos. I dont understand how this could cause someone to become full of "rage". Maybe you can just get so fucked up, so belligerent, that you fail to have control over your basic mood functions in the brain.
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A half-dozen Ativan and a half-dozen Mike's Hard Lemonade bottles put me into a rage I don't remember. I hefted a chair and tried to fling it at my friend's head, according to a friend's report. My memory of the evening halts after consumption of these drugs but before I fell asleep, stays blank through my being awoken by my friend because I was pissing the bed, stays blank through my attempt to attack with the chair, and resumes with me sobbing hysterically.

I also craved the most violent and depraved sex throughout. Paradoxical reactions to benzo's (usually, but not always, in conjunction with alcohol) were part of what scrubbed away their luster from my mind. Euphoria? None, except at therapeutic or just above therapeutic does, sans alcohol.

Not to mention the chimp that ripped a man's face off because its dumb bitch owner gave it Xanax.
 
queenscarlet88 said:
A half-dozen Ativan and a half-dozen Mike's Hard Lemonade bottles put me into a rage I don't remember. I hefted a chair and tried to fling it at my friend's head, according to a friend's report. My memory of the evening halts after consumption of these drugs but before I fell asleep, stays blank through my being awoken by my friend because I was pissing the bed, stays blank through my attempt to attack with the chair, and resumes with me sobbing hysterically.

I also craved the most violent and depraved sex throughout. Paradoxical reactions to benzo's (usually, but not always, in conjunction with alcohol) were part of what scrubbed away their luster from my mind. Euphoria? None, except at therapeutic or just above therapeutic does, sans alcohol.

Not to mention the chimp that ripped a man's face off because its dumb bitch owner gave it Xanax.
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Im talking about instances where alcohol wasnt involved. Its a no brainer that alcohol can easily cause anger, not too mention alcohol mixed with other drugs. Anybody who mixes benzos with alcohol and is suprised that they ended up acting violently souldn't be taking either of those drugs.

I dont mean any offense to you personally or anything, its just several people have posted in this thread about how benzos make them violent when they mix it with alcohol, acting as if that is an unexpected side-effect.
 
monoid said:
Rage is listed as paradoxical benzo effect in this very known source.
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It also listed every single 'effect", "emotion", "sensation" or "problem" known to mankind. Even if that is a "respected source" I find it hard to take that seriously. There were a rediculous amount of "side-effects".....its just not that convincing to me to make an argument that benzos cause rage as a "paradoxal" side-effect" and then site a source that lists soooooo many side effects it would be hard NOT to find a "side-effect" you dont feel everyday just from being alive.
 
Depressicaa said:
I knew that, but why is it both soothing to me and also allows me to be irritated so much faster?

Thats like a cold fire.
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haha...its probably "soothing" because its a benzo, and thats what it does, it causes relaxation...which can be interpreted by your brain as soothing....and it can cause you to become easily irritated quickly because benzos also act on the prefrontal cortex which controls your instinct to act on impulse, your social inhibitions, etc .....basically its a part of the brain that seperates humans from other mammals.
 
I really dont know, as, like I said, Ive never met anyone who gets angry on benzos(unless mixed with alcohol, and in my opinion that doesnt count).

is there really a difference between "irritable and calm" and "just angry" anyway??
 
The first one needs a tickoff.
The second is looking for trouble.

Thats what I think at least.

kpins and stims were nice, my memory was slightly better but not as good as just kpins.
 
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