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Kosovo Declares Independence

Abroad maybe, but have you ever been to Sault Sainte Marie? You might be feeling like a foreigner there even on the Michigan side, aye?
 
Online petitions are a GR8! revolutionary catalyst. You should make a myspace page next. To arms, comrades!
 
Transcendence said:
Online petitions are a GR8! revolutionary catalyst. You should make a myspace page next. To arms, comrades!
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You are absolutely correct.

Next Mon-Tues I plan on formally filing it withe the county recorder, and submitting it to the LA Times and local news stations.


I work Wed-Sun - can't do this stuff then...

But I'm tired of this crap.


I wish I knew what was necessary to collect LEGAL signatures for this thing.

I don't.
So I'll start with filing it - committing treason on my own - and seek supporters after it's on file.

Better suggestions?
 
Yeah, move to Romania and start a revolution there. Like it or not, the US government is very stable and isn't going to be overthrown anytime soon, short of an absolute catastrophe.
 
mulberryman said:
Abroad maybe, but have you ever been to Sault Sainte Marie? You might be feeling like a foreigner there even on the Michigan side, aye?
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Perhaps, but as someone from Maryland, would I feel like any more of a foreigner there than I would in rural Mississippi? Or in El Paso, Texas?
 
Transcendence said:
Yeah, move to Romania and start a revolution there. Like it or not, the US government is very stable and isn't going to be overthrown anytime soon, short of an absolute catastrophe.
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The U.S. government is illegal and invalid.

Stable or not, it's a criminal organization and needs to be brought to justice.



I'm not permitted to leave a 5 county area right now.
Fleeing the country would be even harder.


Besides, I have constitutionally protected rights to stand upon.
The government needs to stop taking our liberties and violating our rights - as these are criminal acts - and be brought to justice.


If they are not, we'll go the way of Nazi Germany.

Again - stable government or otherwise, it is criminal and wrong - and needs to be stopped.


I agree - it's a gigantic task to undertake...


But it needs to be undertaken.
 
^well in that case,

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mulberryman said:
^well in that case,
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I'm trying.

Online support isn't anything official - but I've stated a goal...

1,000 online signatures.


Show some support.
Sign =P


But the flip side is that this needs to be done anyway...
Waiting around for more people to wake up is foolish.

The movement will awaken them.

I really just don't know where to push - what to do first.
I'm at a loss here.
>_<
 
Kalash said:
I'm not permitted to leave a 5 county area right now.
Fleeing the country would be even harder.


Besides, I have constitutionally protected rights to stand upon.
The government needs to stop taking our liberties and violating our rights - as these are criminal acts - and be brought to justice.
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I think the term is "serfdom".
 
Transcendence said:
4 more years!
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Well seing as the actual end date of the Mayan calandar is now estimated to be 2004 and not 2012, and considering W's apparent final victory, try 4000 as we now enter the age of neverending enslavement and death.

WooHoo, WAR! <3 Can you dig it?
 
And I suppose you believe Iraq has WMD?
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What does Iraq have to do with this? Almost every mainstream historian agrees that the Serbs committed ethnic cleansing against Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.

You seem to be justifying and seeking changes to present day international borders, established 90 years ago, based on present day population demographics. There is no precedent for such changes of international borders. And none should be made.

The Kosovo Albanians, assuming that they are in Kosovo legally, have a right to be there, have equal rights and have a right to a certain amount of autonomy. If however, these Albanians engage in subversive or violent acts against the government of Serbia, that government has a sovereign right to use force to put an end to these acts. That right is enshrined in international law. Moreover, if the Kosovo Albanians do not want to accept Serbian sovereignty, they are free to leave Kosovo.
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I again ask the question: Why should a territory remained attached to a state when an overwhelming majority of its populace wants independence?
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
What does Iraq have to do with this? Almost every mainstream historian agrees that the Serbs committed ethnic cleansing against Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.



I again ask the question: Why should a territory remained attached to a state when an overwhelming majority of its populace wants independence?
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I'll ask a different question...

Why does the state have any authority over a people that desire to get out from under its rule?

Why are government's authorized to use force to keep people in line with their specific set of beliefs?

Why do governments have authority to kill people in order to remain in power?


What valuable services does government provide that CANNOT be provided on a voluntary bases in a free market?


Why does a government get to use guns to claim territory - and seize control of the lives of the people living in said territory by implementing a criminal protection racket - whereby they CLAIM to protect the people/the people's rights - while STEALING from them.

If the people refuse to pay - because they want independence - the government comes in and deprives the people of their rights through use of force (guns) and taking their property, locking them up, or killing them to make an example out of them.


What is a government other than a criminal organization serving to enslave the majority of the people to the will of the few in power - enriching those in power because of the labor and efforts of the many under their control?


One of these days I'll learn to count to "question" instead of losing count and coming up with "questions" because of my bad math skills >_<
 
mulberryman said:
Well shit, in 50 years its all gonna be part of the EU anyway...
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I dunno about that.

I don't see a persistent force of government lasting through the next depression (er... the one we've started rolling into. Downhill. And gaining speed.)


The people are going to realize it's all a scam - to deprive them of their hard earned money and goods.


We don't need governments any more.
At least - not at the international/federal levels.

We have free market international shipping companies.
We have free internet commerce unregulated by customs (to a point) and physical location.


What do we need customs for at this point?
If someone orders something from over seas - and gets what they ordered... no problems.

If they DO NOT get what they ordered, the credit card company is the first place of recourse.

If we quit bulking up our governments - permitting them to incur debt in our names - and start being responsible for ourselves - ensuring our personal liberties...

Why do we need governments at this point?
 
Kalash said:
Why do we need governments at this point?
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Well, of course, we don't. We don't need alot of things. We don't need the internet, or cable TV. We don't need a police force or fire department, they're not really necessary to our survival as a species. At this point we don't national healthcare or HMO's or even hospitals to continue to not become extinct.

One Euro equals 82 Serbian Dinars, which I assume they are still using in Kosovo right now. Do the Kosovoans (is that what they'll be called?) need to use the Euro to survive? No, but if they want to have more access to cable TV, the internet, or affordable healthcare, it might be a good idea.
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
Kosovo has had an Albanian majority for at least 100 years, and possibly longer.
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This is not true. 100 years ago Albanians made no more than 10% of the population of Kosovo. Is the fact that they have been breeding so fast, coupled with immigration, sufficient reason to make Kosovo theirs? If Poles start breeding so fast in some region of the UK, they can declare independence as well?

And what about other ethnic groups like Basques? Albanians already have their own country, Albania. Basque people don't have any. If they declare independence in Spain, will the EU accept it?

But the most important thing is the fact that this declaration is against the international law, as the United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said. And the fact that the USA supports it doesn't change it.
 
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