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Knowing your limits...

Pleonastic

Pleonastic

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Firstly the disclaimer: what I'm about to write is being written during what can only be described as a fair cunt of a comedown, so bear that in mind...
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This weekend I hammered it a bit harder than I usually do. Those of you I saw at Sunny (all 5000 of you - damn there were heaps of bluelighters! ummm anyway...) would probably have seen this... What I did was big for me, I don't usually binge and haven't done a 48 hour constant intake thing before.
I'm way too messy to be all descriptive of the weekend, suffice to say that I had a lot more rock speed than I would usually have, spread out over 48 hours - I didn't let myself come down... and this was no shit rock either, this was the Jack Daniels Blue of rock speed - top shelf stuff...
Anyway, point is that I got home at 9:00 sunday morning after Sunny, and managed to get some shitty speed sleep until 4:30 (not a bad effort considering). Thing is (hang on, this is the point), at about 5:30 I was sitting down watching TV when all of a sudden I got this incredible hot flush and felt like I was about to die... this passed in about 5 minutes...
OK... fine... NOW the point...
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Know how much you can handle and don't think you're super human just because you've read alot about MDMA and Speed etc... knowledge is power, but not if it makes you think you can handle any amount of drugs because you know which receptor the molecules are binding to and stuff. I have no idea what happend to me at 5:30, but I do know that it was a warning sign that I went too far (suggestions would be nice if anyone thinks they might know). This weekend was my last binge - I'm not stupid. From now on it's going to be one drug, one dose, one time per weekend, one time per month - maximum.
Some people can handle more drugs, some people less - but make sure you all know your limits...
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"I was sitting down watching TV when all of a sudden I got this incredible hot flush and felt like I was about to die... this passed in about 5 minutes..."
Can you exaplin in more detail about what happened during the 5 minutes..? so we can maybe throw a few ideas on what you have expierenced.
As far as knowing your limits. When it comes down to it I know my limits, I know when I am going to suffer for many days after a big weekend, however that doesnt mean I always stop before I go over my limit..
Its the similar to alchole (which I dont drink anymore for this reason exactly) You have a glass or two which then turns into five, six, seven and then you start repeating "im going to pay for this tommorrow/im going to be soo sick" and yet next time someone goes to the bar -"i'll have another one mate" seems to just slip out of your mouth and you start pushing yourself over the limit..
We all do it with many things in life.. and i think its just the way humans are, always searching for something better..
I beleive that as long as you are aware that your pushing over your limit and its not a constant event that happens then its ok once in a while.
I always tell e-newbies to really take notice of how their bodies feel the following day, just so they remember that it isnt all good fun and games.
Hmm hope this all makes sense.. just relised my mind is a bit scattered..hehe
 
I think that going for 48 hours (or more) is always going to be pretty bad for you. Just because you have enough drugs to keep you going and not feel you're body, doesn't mean that you're not extremely rundown. Obviously moderation is important, but I think even a short sleep and recovery time rather than 48 hrs straight, would make a hell of a difference...
Oh, and an afterthought... a few years ago, after I'd been e-ing for a couple fo years, I would often get way overheated really quickly, like it had messed up my body's temperature regulation (I assumed this was from e's, as they mess with you're temperature regulation when you're on them). I wouldn't realise I was getting hot, and then instantly I was mega mega overheated. Might have something to do with it, might not
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OK... now that I'va had a little bit more sleep I should explain what happened with the hot flush better...
It started with me just feeling a bit sick all of a sudden, and this got steadly worse so I went to the bathroom. When I got there, I was breathing really fast and really heavy, and had broken out in an almighty sweat. I moved back to the room I was in before, and when I got there I wasn't breathing as fast, but my entire body was tingling just like it does when you get pins and needles in your foot, but all over. This then all graduly subsided, and after five minutes I was pretty mush normal again, just covered in sweat...
The way I'm treating the experience is to think of it as the red line on a car tacometer... I was pushing red this weekend, so from now on I'll just ease off on the revs a bit so I don't blow the engine...
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I can handle a fair bit when it comes to drugs... Accept weed. I've never had a bad experience on ecstacy, cocaine or speed.
The reason why is because I'm so overly paranoid of doing too much, or going for too long without sleep. Also I'm one for rather grumpy comedowns, so I'm always asleep within 2 hours of the beginning of the end of a night.
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Pleonastic, what you are describing, while subjectively really scary, is a fairly common occurrence.
However, to most, thse episodes usually happen within a shorter timeframe, most often in mid-comedown, and may be accompanied by severe nausea/retching, all-over sweats, chills, and yes, the tingling which may sometimes be reinterpreted as an itch. Usually, one feels much better after the sweat passes (and you dry yourself off).
Yes, its your body’s reaction to a major perturbation in the system and a one-time (you hope) effort to purge the toxins.
Yes it is a warning. Be kind to your biorobot, it’s the only one you’ll have until nanotech kicks in.
Be well.
 
Being a fairly healthy person, as strange as it sounds I'm always actually gratefull when this sort of thing happens to me (and believe me it has), as I know that it's just my body complaining that I'm giving it a hard time and it will be over with some r&r. Now to have chronic pain/illness/etc, shit...
I've stayed up for more than 48 hours working with no drugs at all (well, caffine and sugar) - and felt close to as bad as you are describing. I've also been up partying for more than 100 hrs on good meth, and felt pretty good 'cos I rested, ate food, showered, etc. Consider the 48 hours, did you eat much (carbos, minerals), fluids (not just water, but sugars, aminos, etc), vitamins, etc.
cheers,
hux.
 
Ummm... yeah, that's probably another major reason - over the whole weekend I had a banana and one of those "sustigen up and go" things you can get at 7-11...
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*smacks himself around the head for being so stoopid*
 
Pleonastic my friend...didnt you come out with the same experience at Earthcore??
I vaguely remember you saying something along the lines of 'never again'...
..things never change...
hope you get the most out of this experience
 
Heh heh... good point... different substance that time though. And this one was a different experience, although equally as significant. Huxley put it well: "just learnin like all of us".
The difference between my experience at Earthcore and this experience was that at Earthcore I thought I was invincible, but this time I knew that I'd pay for it and chose to ignore that fact. Guess I learnt the hard lesson both times!
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I know exactly what happened to you Pleo....
Believe it or not, it was an anxiety attack.
Before you say "bullshit", realise that the can just happen. No warning, no stimuli, just BANG - freak out.
I'm sure everyone has heard of amphetamine psychosis. I don't use speed anymore because I get attacks almost every time I "switch to guns" (cheers to whoever it was who posted that tidbit).
Profuse sweating, rapid heart-beat, nausea, classic symptoms man. If you lay off the speed for a bit and learn how to cope with the attacks (count back from 50 and BREATHE!!!) everything will be fine.
 
yeah anxiety is a possible one.. but i really dont know, my anxiety manifests in trembling and body weakness... sometimes i get a lot of those symptoms you mentioned (cept the tingling) when i'm about to yak
i would like to say that not eating is *really* horrible, and may well have contributed. i have had a couple of occasions where i havent eaten in the morn following a party night on speed/meth, and by afternoon i am so sick i can hardly even drink water. then i go thru agonising hours of waiting till my body throws up basically bile and water.. i feel dizzy, chills, cold sweats, body pains.. it is trully horrible.
so, especially if you are going on a long binge, remember to eat! i highly recommend raisin toast when you are speeding/coming down. lightly toasted w/ lots of butter it is soft, moist, fruity and yummy!
anyways, hope you're feeling well in body and mind now, pleonastic
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I know a girl who gets what I would term 'anxiety' attacks after a night on meth - her main complaint is the body tingles which I think freak her out and it escalates from there. A generally hyper disposition doesn't help her either I think. Body tingles, cold hands and feet, etc. My non-medical opinion - as amphetamines constrict blood vessles, if you are prone to low blood pressure then you might get these symptoms. I think my BP is OK (reminds me to get it checked), and I ofter get damned cold hands that just won't warm up.
I guess I must be lucky 'cos I just recently spent nearly 12 months doing meth every day and never had any real problems. Sleeping every other day or so, not really partying during the week, just hanging out with other crack-head friends, then party fri through to sunday night, then usually stayed in bed until monday night/tues. Course I wasn't working and had a lot of bluelight crack heads to hang out with (btw: this was in LA, the term crack-head was kinda common in the BL circles for lovers of meth
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). Disclaimer:: this WILL change your lifestyle and probably loose you some friends, I'm not advocating the lifestyle just proving a point.
The key to good meth use is not to abuse it. I only got the so-called 'high' a few times in that year because that wasn't the purpose for me (ie: don't snort/smoke tons until you're fucked) - shit, pills/psycs are much better for altering reality. For me it was all about the social aspect - the power to socialise whenever you wanted without worrying about tomorrow and how tired you will feel.
Of course nothing replaced sleep and nourishment, and eventually meth will affect you physically. But as Joe Jackson sang, "everything gives you cancer" - live your friggin' life while you can.
cheers,
hux.
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Pleonastic sorry to hear you had another bad time on a different drug, I remember Earthcore and I also remember the night at the cage that I had an earthcore type experience and you had to look after me.. I also learned my lesson about knowing your limits at Hardware at Kryal.. OMG what a mess I was and I just wanted to keep going.. now can I say that having had nothing but a few odd bulbs over the past 3 months I feel healthier than have in ages and more and more each day I find that I am not thinking of going out and taking something (the only down side is you don't realise how much drugs supress your appetite till you are not taking them all weekend) and also you don't realise that on a weekend there are things called Lunch, Dinner and Breakfast and you also realise that if you go out, you don't always find mushy chewy in your pockets
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just some words from me.. who used to not know my limits and now realised that there is no limit for happiness away from drugs
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GOod read, un-ashamed bump..
To quote hunter thompson."When you stop sweating...come and see me"
 
Yeah my bet is anxiety attack. The shortness of breath, the wierd sweat, the wierd feeling of it all. I can remember having one after bulbs after a certain bluelighter came down to melb and we all hooked up at his penthouse suit in the city. Took me a good while before I could leave and drive home. (btw how is our qld girlie
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I still catch up with ben every now and then)
 
Going for 48 hours is probably the underlying factor, but that cn also happen when you get up out of a comfortable position. Sounds like you got light headed and just needed to take a few deep breaths. Its happened to me before and i was even out all night. But i understand you do have to know your limits aswell.
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She is well mate. Just flew back from there last night. A good weekend with Miss Apples, Mona, and the rest of the gang.
A big Ye Olde School Bluelight re-union/Welcome back to Aussie Miss Apples sort of thing.
 
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