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Hey guy's, found this on a different forum today, I didn't want to say anything to the poster - but I think there is a little more to do with it than just one pill :\

what do you all think - taken from here

http://www.netrider.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=203450&highlight=#203450

I don't know why I am posting this here, nobody here knew my eighteen year old niece Kim, but if this gets through to just one person her life might not have been in vain. I knew Kim from a baby, I held her in my arms the day after her birth, and she grew up with my sons. She was a beautiful, bright happy young girl with her whole life ahead of her. She had saved all year to able to go to England at Xmas to be with a young man she had met while he was backpacking over here.

On New Years Eve Kim went to a dance party in London to see in the New Year. Sometime that evening she took a single tablet of 'E'. Later in the evening she collapsed and was taken to hospital, before midnight she was dead. I am devastated, to die so young is a tragedy, and to do so totally unnecessarily is just a terrible indescribable waste of life. Her parents now face reclaiming the body of their daughter from the other side of the world, and going on living in a world that has lost all meaning.

To be young is a wonderful thing, to have your whole life ahead of you, to face the limitless possibilities it offers, unfettered by the responsibilities later life will bring. The freedom of youth leads the young think they are invincible. They are not.
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Geezuz, you scared the crap out of me. Thinking someone from here also knew the same person (personally) until I saw you also read this on netrider.
 
Hmmm... you're all making it sound as though ecstasy isn't dangerous in any way. shape or form. Well, NEWSFLASH!! for some people it is.
Unfortunately some people don't know if their bodies are sensitive to stimulants such as mdma, or speed. and before you know it, they die. I admit, it is relatively safe in comparison to other drugs. But, come on people... to shrug off every e-related death as polydrug use, or something else, is a little more on the ignorant side imo.
People have the right to know the possible dangers of everything. and whether you like it or not, there are dangers to ecstasy.
 
^well said
I have noticed on bluelight that when ever there is some kind of news on the dangers of drugs, inparticular MDMA and cannabis, people automatically dismiss it as propaganda. The truth is that all drugs do come with their dangers and though these dangers can be minimised through responsible use these dangers are still going to be present to some extent
 
how sad

i've said it in another thread but is there not a way to find out if your allergic to MDMA (without having to consume it).

For example to test if your allergic to hair dye you put a dab of it on the back of your hand. If it goes red & fluffy you best to stay away from it

why can't the boffins think of a similar test. Like cut a bit of you hand, dab a bit of MDMA in it and see what happens? No?
 
Its a tragic story but it is hard to comment on the situation with such limited information. People can be hypersensitive or allergic to MDMA, then 1 pill could be to much. It could be another situation like what happened to Anna Wood, too much water. Maybe not enough water, dehydration?

The drugs we take are dangerous, we take these drugs having some prior knowledge of the effects and dangers. Not everyone is so lucky to be exposed to bluelight or other information first.
 
All very true Diacetylus, but i don't see you expoundin the dangers of peanuts or anti-biotics...how many people die every year from allerigic reactions to such things?

The sad but undeniable fact is that if prohibitionist propoganda was not he norm and a serious harm minimisation attitude was put in place by society, tests for allergic/hyper sensitive reactions in drugs before ingestion would be the norm.

Go figure.
 
^Actually, if the topic of discussion was about an overdose of peanuts, or anti-biotics, I would be talking about the dangers. But, it's not about peanuts, it's about ecstasy. :\
 
Kim

1. It's senseless she died from drugs.
2. It's senseless she died from a car accident.
3. It's senseless she died from drowning.
4. It's senseless she died from a plane crash.
5. It's senseless she died from falling off a horse.

Do we blame the "car" "water" "plane" "horse" for her death?
It wasn't deliberate. No one murdered her. It was an accident.
Why do so many people look for retribution? Why is an 18 year
old girl a child? What is the cause of death on the certificate.

Vet gets off his soapbox.

And by the way. Is this even true?
 
my friend had an anaphylactic reaction 2 ecstasy and had 2 b revived - however i took the same pills that nite and nuthing happened to me
if she had bn allergic 2 shellfish and tried it that nite it wuudda dun the same thing, no point in blaming the chemical
evryone knows theyre taking a risk wen they try drugs
and at 18 that kinda becomes ur own decison
 
I just wanted to highlight something that intrigues me about this topic and that is that Netrider is a motorcycling forum.

There's plenty of condolence messages in that thread of people offering their advice about why they would never "touch that stuff", etc etc.

Motorcyclists themselves might not see the parallels, but there are many similarities between the arguments they put forward in defence of their hobby, and the arguments that are put forward to defend the use of drugs.

To outsiders, motorcycling seems like a pointlessly dangerous and risky activity.

"Why not just take a car instead?" = "Why not just drink alcohol like everyone else?"

They would also argue that done carefully with regards to their own personal safety, their hobby is actually a very safe one. As we would argue about our own use of illicit substances.

I'm not trying to play down the tragedy here, like others have said, I would be interested to see a medical report of just what went wrong with this young girl.

It is interesting though because an issue like this gives us insight into why people argue so passionately in defence of things that give them a high that other people who don't participate in might not understand.
 
Someone dies from "ecstasy" and you get to know their name.

But somehow you never hear the names of the hundred people that died that night from tobacco and alcohol.

Every death is a tragedy. It's just that some have better publicists.
 
Hoptis you raise a very interesting point actually, being both a part time motorcyclists (I drive a car also) and a moderating ecstasy user I find very interesting comparisons between the two groups.

Both consider themselves somewhat marginalised and misunderstood by the general population.

In both cases the general public all too often see the crazy, racing at 30 kph over the limit, weaving between trafic, t-shirt flapping in the breeze biker and relate that person to all motorcyclists. Similarly the general public all too often blur the line between the drug abuser to the enlightened, moderating drug user.

And your completely correct hoptis, our argument is that if you ride sensibly, wear all the proper riding equipment, keep your bike well maintained etc. the practice of riding is quite safe indeed.

If only people saw beyond the reckless users in both practises and saw through to us who enjoy our given hobbies with a more calculated degree of safety.
 
Ok, this is the problem "ecstasy" is a misused term for MDMA - MDMA is safe, with the exception of an allergic reaction the most PROBABLE way you will die from MDMA is all the users fult - not enough water, to much water ect.

So yes MDMA is safe and thats what I think ecstasy is and thats what I want when I buy a pill - Thats the second problem - you don't know what you are getting :\
 
Vet said:
1. It's senseless she died from drugs.
2. It's senseless she died from a car accident.
3. It's senseless she died from drowning.
4. It's senseless she died from a plane crash.
5. It's senseless she died from falling off a horse.

Do we blame the "car" "water" "plane" "horse" for her death?
It wasn't deliberate. No one murdered her. It was an accident.
Why do so many people look for retribution? Why is an 18 year
old girl a child? What is the cause of death on the certificate.

Vet gets off his soapbox.

And by the way. Is this even true?
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Post of the year so far.
 
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