Edit: Realized there's already a synthetic cannabinoid discussion thread, if this belongs there please move it.
Hey guys, I've been on Bluelight on a different handle, haven't been on lately cos I was having trouble with my email so I usually just lurk these days. I have a serious question now. Has anyone used this legal high "Kilimanjaro" before? I'm aware there's a lot of "legal" synthetic cannabinoids on the market, found in adult and sex shops all over. Thing is, after my experience with this shit, I have serious doubts that the fucking retards who designed these laws have any idea how the fuck to do their job. How is this shit legal and bud isn't?? I thought drug laws were designed to protect people from ingesting potentially hazardous and addictive substances? Anyway, I disgress. This is a long read, so if you're the tl;dr type just go to the bottom for a summary. My experience with it is as follows...
My friend went out for a little bit trying to score some bud Friday last week. We were on our first night without sleep from being on the gear IE crystal meth, think we'd gone a few hours without ingesting any. I'm aware the gear could have and most likely did play a role in mine and my friend's reaction, particularly the paranoia I experienced due to lack of sleep and the edginess experienced from shard. We had a group of 4, me, Z, T, and S. S was the only one that didn't have any, because he's got issues as it is and we wouldn't let him. It's also worth noting that it was a really hot day, like 35C or some shit, and we were dehydrated from gear no doubt. So Z brings the shit home when he couldn't score, he'd already had some at this point before he came home. T is the next to sample it, he has some and actually says, fuck this is some heavy shit. That was the point where we cut off S because Z's mum is home and we didn't want some kind of psychotic episode. So Z's next, he has another billy worth of it, and then me. I'm no longer experienced with cannabinoids, weed's not really my thing and my group smokes it with tobacco, which puts it out of the question for me given that I quit smoking. Well unless I get them to roll straight green joint, which I don't because I don't care enough.
Anyway, I have one after some consideration, I've read stories about this shit. Was tiny, like not even halfway up the conepiece. I have it, sit there and wait for a few second. Then it hit me. That horrible "something's wrong" feeling that I've experienced once with a dud pill. My God, I'll never forget it. Anyway, I'm just trying to ignore my perceptions at this point and ride it out, feeling kinda sick but I can get through it, then I look to my left and see Z, with this messed up look in his eyes. Just straight alert, like wide open. That's what freaked me out the most at the time, because he looked exactly how I felt. T's still alright at this point, he's looking at Z and laughing because he thinks he's just tripping. Z couldn't say anything at this point, he said afterwards he was perfectly conscious through the whole thing but he couldn't say anything. When he tried, it just came out as half formed words. He starts flopping left and right, and he's all sweaty and pale. He lost motor control pretty bad through the whole thing, he was having real trouble standing. Anyway, T's on the ball still and he hears a car arrive, it's Z's grandma out of all people. I'm thinking Z's having some kind of stroke, and now his grandma arrives. Anyway, I've just been sitting there freaking out the whole time, I'm also sitting on the couch, next thing I know T and S are saying something to me, but it won't click. Then I realize they're trying to get me to move so Z can sit somewhere he won't flop so much on. I get up, and then I realize I should be doing something to help instead of panicking. So I start looking for water or something, takes me a little bit but I find my Powerade and give it to Z. I start thinking I should be calling an ambulance or something, but I know trouble is the last thing we want, so I text my friend A and tell him Z's having a fit or something. Looking back it was kind of pointless cos he just started calling the shit out of us and adding to the confusion. Anyway, Z's calmed down a bit now. Before this he was like convulsing a little and yeah he couldn't really stay straight, which made me think he was having a stroke or something. He couldn't really say anything still, he's still laying on the couch having trouble focusing, like going cross eyed and such. I'm saying stuff to him every now and again, making sure I could still get a response. He seemed alright. He T puts him in the shower, he was running it the whole time. He reckons Z's grandma is gonna wanna speak to him, and if they find him in such a state T will cop all the shit. That's true, but I'm doubtful Z could really stand. Anyway, he's still in his shorts and I go in there and check on him every now and then. After that's done, he dries off and lays down in his room for a bit. I check on him, say something to him, he's fine now, just dazed. He's just lying down, still breathing. I grab him my drink for him and he slowly comes back.
There wasn't any real lasting damage he copped from this. Nothing that anyone's noticed anyway. I thought it was heat stroke at the time, I haven't witnessed one but shit it seemed like the symptoms. I'm really glad it didn't turn out worse than it did. All I know is that it put me off cannabinoids permanantly, not because I'm afraid the same thing will happen but because of how I responded to a situation like that on it. I know that was a long read, I wouldn't expect everyone to read the lot. So...
To summarise: Friend had 2 cones of Kilimanjaro on crystal meth on a hot day, had stroke like symptoms, could not talk but reckons he was conscious the whole time and trying to say he was fine, could not really hold balance while sitting down, couldn't really focus his eyes. Was about 10-15 minutes. I just got bad paranoia.
So question time. Has anyone had any similar experiences with this legal high? I couldn't find any real information on it from a quick Google check, all I got was the mountain. Can anyone lead me to some real information about this shit? Is there anything I should do about my friend now, like take him to a doctor or something? Not that he'll go knowing how he is, but is it worth pursuing it with him? Should I still be looking for stuff wrong with him and continue being worried about his precious little soul? Anything on the topic you'd like to contribute, feel free. Cheers cunts.
Hey guys, I've been on Bluelight on a different handle, haven't been on lately cos I was having trouble with my email so I usually just lurk these days. I have a serious question now. Has anyone used this legal high "Kilimanjaro" before? I'm aware there's a lot of "legal" synthetic cannabinoids on the market, found in adult and sex shops all over. Thing is, after my experience with this shit, I have serious doubts that the fucking retards who designed these laws have any idea how the fuck to do their job. How is this shit legal and bud isn't?? I thought drug laws were designed to protect people from ingesting potentially hazardous and addictive substances? Anyway, I disgress. This is a long read, so if you're the tl;dr type just go to the bottom for a summary. My experience with it is as follows...
My friend went out for a little bit trying to score some bud Friday last week. We were on our first night without sleep from being on the gear IE crystal meth, think we'd gone a few hours without ingesting any. I'm aware the gear could have and most likely did play a role in mine and my friend's reaction, particularly the paranoia I experienced due to lack of sleep and the edginess experienced from shard. We had a group of 4, me, Z, T, and S. S was the only one that didn't have any, because he's got issues as it is and we wouldn't let him. It's also worth noting that it was a really hot day, like 35C or some shit, and we were dehydrated from gear no doubt. So Z brings the shit home when he couldn't score, he'd already had some at this point before he came home. T is the next to sample it, he has some and actually says, fuck this is some heavy shit. That was the point where we cut off S because Z's mum is home and we didn't want some kind of psychotic episode. So Z's next, he has another billy worth of it, and then me. I'm no longer experienced with cannabinoids, weed's not really my thing and my group smokes it with tobacco, which puts it out of the question for me given that I quit smoking. Well unless I get them to roll straight green joint, which I don't because I don't care enough.
Anyway, I have one after some consideration, I've read stories about this shit. Was tiny, like not even halfway up the conepiece. I have it, sit there and wait for a few second. Then it hit me. That horrible "something's wrong" feeling that I've experienced once with a dud pill. My God, I'll never forget it. Anyway, I'm just trying to ignore my perceptions at this point and ride it out, feeling kinda sick but I can get through it, then I look to my left and see Z, with this messed up look in his eyes. Just straight alert, like wide open. That's what freaked me out the most at the time, because he looked exactly how I felt. T's still alright at this point, he's looking at Z and laughing because he thinks he's just tripping. Z couldn't say anything at this point, he said afterwards he was perfectly conscious through the whole thing but he couldn't say anything. When he tried, it just came out as half formed words. He starts flopping left and right, and he's all sweaty and pale. He lost motor control pretty bad through the whole thing, he was having real trouble standing. Anyway, T's on the ball still and he hears a car arrive, it's Z's grandma out of all people. I'm thinking Z's having some kind of stroke, and now his grandma arrives. Anyway, I've just been sitting there freaking out the whole time, I'm also sitting on the couch, next thing I know T and S are saying something to me, but it won't click. Then I realize they're trying to get me to move so Z can sit somewhere he won't flop so much on. I get up, and then I realize I should be doing something to help instead of panicking. So I start looking for water or something, takes me a little bit but I find my Powerade and give it to Z. I start thinking I should be calling an ambulance or something, but I know trouble is the last thing we want, so I text my friend A and tell him Z's having a fit or something. Looking back it was kind of pointless cos he just started calling the shit out of us and adding to the confusion. Anyway, Z's calmed down a bit now. Before this he was like convulsing a little and yeah he couldn't really stay straight, which made me think he was having a stroke or something. He couldn't really say anything still, he's still laying on the couch having trouble focusing, like going cross eyed and such. I'm saying stuff to him every now and again, making sure I could still get a response. He seemed alright. He T puts him in the shower, he was running it the whole time. He reckons Z's grandma is gonna wanna speak to him, and if they find him in such a state T will cop all the shit. That's true, but I'm doubtful Z could really stand. Anyway, he's still in his shorts and I go in there and check on him every now and then. After that's done, he dries off and lays down in his room for a bit. I check on him, say something to him, he's fine now, just dazed. He's just lying down, still breathing. I grab him my drink for him and he slowly comes back.
There wasn't any real lasting damage he copped from this. Nothing that anyone's noticed anyway. I thought it was heat stroke at the time, I haven't witnessed one but shit it seemed like the symptoms. I'm really glad it didn't turn out worse than it did. All I know is that it put me off cannabinoids permanantly, not because I'm afraid the same thing will happen but because of how I responded to a situation like that on it. I know that was a long read, I wouldn't expect everyone to read the lot. So...
To summarise: Friend had 2 cones of Kilimanjaro on crystal meth on a hot day, had stroke like symptoms, could not talk but reckons he was conscious the whole time and trying to say he was fine, could not really hold balance while sitting down, couldn't really focus his eyes. Was about 10-15 minutes. I just got bad paranoia.
So question time. Has anyone had any similar experiences with this legal high? I couldn't find any real information on it from a quick Google check, all I got was the mountain. Can anyone lead me to some real information about this shit? Is there anything I should do about my friend now, like take him to a doctor or something? Not that he'll go knowing how he is, but is it worth pursuing it with him? Should I still be looking for stuff wrong with him and continue being worried about his precious little soul? Anything on the topic you'd like to contribute, feel free. Cheers cunts.
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