Kicked out of outpatient

[Bojangles69]

^ You're confusing me for the OP, I think. I'm not much of a pot smoker.

Yes I am lol.

 

[Bojangles69]

This is really just a matter of playing with fire and getting burned and saying "WTF, fire? You burned me?"

Couldn't have said it any better myself. So true.

 

[Tommyboy]

If the courts subpoena his records then I doubt his signature really matters.

I highly doubt that the courts would do that for a small case like his.

What happens is as terms of your probation, you have to goto inpatient if that has been agreed upon to reduce the sentence. In the beginning, you sign the waiver to allow the courts to know how you are progressing there. If you don't want to sign the release form, then they will simply deem that a violation of probation and you will have to deal with those consequences as well.

Its not like a case of if you don't give consent to the courts to access your mandated rehab records, they will issue a subpoena..... instead they will just charge you with violating probation.

 

[evilthree]

Its all good to have your own thoughts and beliefs about addiction. But thats like going to church to jerk off, I've never understood it myself personally.

Did you think the test wouldn't know you smoked? Or they'd just give you a slap on the wrist? I def DO NOT make the right decisions all the time, but thats one thing I've never thought twice about.
If I couldn't stop myself from smoking pot I wouldn't be in outpatient or inpatient to begin. I also consider it thoroughly disrespectful, maybe thats why I've never got high in rehab.

But you have overworked counselors with overpopulated caseloads busting their ass to help a bunch of drug addicts out. Going off and getting high is like spitting in their face. I've never had the nuts to do it cause I'd feel like too big a piece of shit.
I don't wanna come off too strong, but this has always been a serious petpeeve of mine. I use to see people coming to rehab joking before group about how high their gonna get when their finished. I've seen people leave NA rooms to go cop. I've seen people get high IN inpatient. I've genuinely wanted to smack them all in the face.
Its one thing to say you don't follow a disease model, its another thing to act like you have that disease by getting high in rehab of all places THEN saying part of the reason you got high is because you don't believe in the model? WTF. YOU ARE THE REASON that model was made. Thats like me shooting carcinogens into my brain because I don't believe in cancer, it makes no sense. If you don't believe in the model, then don't get high.

I shouldn't take this so personal but it genuinely bothers me. So you're "trying" to stay out of jail?... by getting high while your in outpatient? Can you explain to me where the word "trying" comes into play there? That sounds to me like you're actually trying to GO TO JAIL. I have tons of empathy for drug addicts, I understand people go through problems while in rehab and shit happens, people get high. But in this specific case, I'm gonna have to say that you deserve what ever the courts give to you. Sorry if I sound like an ass but I'm def not gonna attempt justifying what you did. Next time don't even go.

The primary reason I feel I'm going is because I was doing heroin. I jump through hoops because I don't want to be homeless or in jail, using isn't worth that, but maybe it's the different substances affecting me

Really I plan on going as sober as possible before my court dates. that being said, I find it hard to function without something. I've tried the whole gambit of anti-depressants and what not, and all that seems to motivate me is getting out. I'm a social smoker, I don't smoke by myself so much anymore. Really maybe it's some kind of grasp for socialization regardless of the consequences in my brain. I really do not like the 12 stepper crowd, I don't feel like I fit in and I find it all a little to cultesque for my tastes

I'm too philosophical for my own good. I justify smoking, because it relaxes me better than the seroquel they keep trying to push to me...I just don't have much faith in myself to stay sober, because I don't want sobriety, I feel it's being forced on me and I have to conform to a society I largely don't want to be a part of or be caged up for committing a nonviolent, victimless crime