ketamine

[slipknot1]

lol

 

[Luude]

The K-Hole is addictive.

I heard Ketamine was easy to buy over the counter at chemists in india. Does anyone know if this is true?

Dunno about Pharmacy's, but India sure enjoys its unregulated production, i can assure you of that.

Let's just say 1g pure racemic is cheaper than a can of coke.

 

[Luude]

Wrong choice of word. Available would have been a much better word.

I know a a couple of people who don't like K. Both of them had ~500mg nasally and never went back to it.

Proptip: Horse studs

I've never had any noticable hangovers from it. How do others fare?


R.I.P Paul Grey

500mg nasally and disliked it? I am not at all surprised.

I did this with s-isomer a while back, whilst having a hefty tolerance and it was intense as some of my DMT experiences.

Don't underestimate K, ive gone deeper on the stuff than acid.

 

[p3ace]

I broke my leg and the bone came out of my skin. As a result I was being IV'd morphine in the ambo and when got to the hospital they gave me ketamine and something else to push my bone back into place. felt like my hospital bed was taking off into space like the text at the start of starwars movies lol.

 

[drug_mentor]

K is pretty popular, it just isn't very common at the moment. I think its viewed as a fairly socially acceptable drug, less so than pills, speed and marijuana but more so than ice, heroin, G, etc.

There still is the odd person that will say "K!? Isn't that, like, horse tranqs or some shit?!" with a shocked look on their face when you bring it up but I think for the most part it is accepted among drug users.

I think there are certain factors that must be influencing availability and that is why it hasn't taken off in Australia like some other countries. Combined with the cost of drugs in Australia, its alot easier on the wallet to fork out for some comedown treats overseas but in Australia it can be expensive enough for the stims before you even start thinking about coming down into a K hole.

In regards to Indian pharmacies, I have read they cracked down on that a number of years ago. It probably is possible to source from small mom and pop pharmacies, especially if your friendly with a few locals, but it seems to be less available now a days. I don't know how strict the drug laws are in India but I imagine a naive foreigner could get themselves into a fair bit of trouble asking for ketamine at the wrong pharmacy.

 

[aero]

I imagine a naive foreigner could get themselves into a fair bit of trouble asking for ketamine at the wrong pharmacy.

Bang on it. No foreigner (or 'gora' in hindi) should try this unless you were somewhere like Goa or with a guide (They can be payed to get it for you). Don't go getting yourself arrested now.

In Rajistan in india Opium is legal, for religious purposes. Not to mention the hash milkshakes my god! Those hindu's know how to party

 

[Boris Badenov]

I have not seen K in a long time. Fun stuff, great for a pill comedown.

 

[Sameria]

I still get the ooccasional horse tranquilizer mark when I mention Ketamine. /sigh...ignorante people.

I've also heard that India has had a crackdown on Ketmaine in the last few years. A gram vile of ketamine will be had OTC for the price of half a beer in Mexico :D

 

[aero]

I've also heard that India has had a crackdown on Ketmaine in the last few years:D

Yeh they have but the country is still flooded with it.
People just shouldn't walk in 'asking' for it, just have to find a trusthworthy connect.

That being said hypothetically if you saw a DR in India they are much more liberal with what you can be perscribed. Tell them what you are 'perscribed' in Aus and I'm sure they will help you - i'd prefer someone do that than be arrested trying to street score in India; That's my HR basis to this statement.

 

[Mr Blonde]

By that definition pretty much anything can be considered a hallucinogen.

I preffer to group by classes. Psychedellics being your 2-c's, LSx's psilcybin etc, Dissacotiatives being your Ket, Nitrous oxide, PCP, DXM etc.

I supposes you could use hallucinogen as a blanket definition for anything that causes a shift in consciousness, but this can apply to just about anything.

There is a very notable differance in effects between psyches and dissacotiatives, large enough for myself at least to think of them as very differant classes of drugs that shouldnt be grouped together.

Thats my two bob anyway, some most likely think differantly but a very distinct differance in effects is enough for me to think of them as seperate entity's.

Then again, I trip ALOT and have probably put to much thought into this during my time down the rabbit hole

I kinda like Wikipedia's page on psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants which explains the use of the misnomer 'hallucinogen' and the difference between actual hallucinations and the visual effects of these drugs. I would also separate the shift of consciousness caused by, say, opioids and stimulants, with that caused by hallucinogens, which Wikipedia also goes into.

I always thought of psychs as an amplifier of the mind, but in their own way so are opioids and stimulants; they amplify normal processes in our brain to achieve their effects. Opioids amplify our endorphin systems and stimulants amplify our neurotransmitter release. Hallucinogens amplify our minds and induce states of consciousness we would not normally experience, rather then just enhancing something that's already part of our consciousness. Of course this is just the way I see it, other people will have their own opinions on the matter.

ETA:

Having used 3-5g's pure racemic and occasionally s-isomer ketamine every week for the past 6 months, i can assure you all that Ketamine is definitely a Hallucinogen.

A true hallucination is indistinguishable from reality, they are commonly experienced when using deliriants or when suffering a psychosis. Having had psychotic episodes, I can tell you a true hallucination is confusing and not a lot of fun.

 

[thickskin]

Tried some for the first time (or the first time with enough to get an effect) a couple of days ago and had about 220mg over a couple of hours. Felt very strong at some points.

Didn't really like it, made me feel stupid and out of it. I don't like alcohol and it felt like a weird version of alcohol to me.

In a way I preferred DXM (though I hate the side effects), but trying the ket made me give up on dissasociatives.

 

[Crankinit]

It's definately not for everyone, but I wouldn't write it off until you've taken enough to K-Hole. If nothing else then because it's a very unique experience and something everyone should try once.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Here, here!

K-Holes are what it's all about. If I had some ketamine right now I would be K-Holing ASAP.

 

[Sameria]

Let's no forget K's amazing potential for combo's

Mixes with MDMA and most psychs very well at sub K-hole doses

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ How do you feel about K-holing on MDMA? I found it kinda took away the euphoria of the Molly and I didn't quite get it all back...

 

[Sameria]

I've never K-Holed on MDMA. Only ever insuffilated 50-100mg on the peak of MDMA. Kicked the euphoria up another notch and added psy edge. Very nice

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Yeah I kinda wish I'd tried that instead of K-Holing, but that was still cool as well. :D

 

[ekoh]

Have had no trouble finding k lately. but since MDMA has dried up I don't enjoy it as much, k used to be great for the early comedown, but without a good pill it makes me a bit nauseous

 

[theloneraver]

i agree that on the lower doses it can feel a bit like ghb. probably to do with the nausea and dizziness i get occasionally... i find it really easy to spin yourself out and get a bit disorientated on both substances...

only recently has ketamine been easy to obtain, so much theres a bunch sitting arround thats just not seeming to get used. obviously not my go-to substance Fun nonetheless, just find theres certaintly a time and place for it

 

[Luude]

A true hallucination is indistinguishable from reality, they are commonly experienced when using deliriants or when suffering a psychosis. Having had psychotic episodes, I can tell you a true hallucination is confusing and not a lot of fun.

Since when was i talking about a 'true' anything....what is true?

Are you telling me my vivid experiences on LSD for example are not part of a hallucination?

Who is to say a hallucination for me isn't a psychotic episode for you? Who makes that determination?

I DO hallucinate on Ketamine, certainly not by your definition. Your definition doesn't even make sense to me. You cannot define what a hallucination is for someone.