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Ketamine Infusion

4thDimension

4thDimension

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Hey peoples, after chatting with my specialist today he has recommended I go into hospital for a ketamine infusion to help get off methadone. I am currently taking 20mg split dose a day.

I am so frigging sensitive to withdrawal and I am fearing this intensely.

Can someone give me an idea of what to expect and will the ketamine help with the withdrawals?

Thank you for any help you give me.
 
4thDimension, what does the procedure involve? Is it a rapid detox type thing?
 
they take me straight off the methadone and start the ketamine infusion. I am hoping it might help with my anxiety and depression but might cause hallucinations. I have benn on methadone for 5 months now. I am just so friggin terrified of what i am getting myself into. I don't know if I can take the withdrawals without going insane.
 
That's interesting. Why are you in such a hurry to get off methadone?
 
I think this Ketamine fusiion could be a fantastic idea. I didn't make the decision in my head to come of maintenance until I had a LSD trip with my best childhood friend back on '05. I had tripped before a few times on mushrooms before bust wasn't prepared for the double drop of this eygptian themed prints that were sold as Ra's in Canberra.

I was a powerful life changing exeprience and even though it took me another year to taper off and battle my demons some more and the4n check into rehab I definitley remeber that something clicked in my head that night and I realised that while my ego was being stripped bare for god to see, that ultimatley I didn't need smack and realised that I will never be truly happy addicted to opiates daily.

Now I didn't take K properly until a few years ago but since then, I have been on some very deep insightful experiences and found K extremly out there but much more easy to take due to the short time and the complete and utter imersion in other frequencies and dimensions. Now I don't know if K infusion is meant to work as a substitute for opiates as I find it hard to believe that holing during withdrawals can be that enjoyable, although never have taken it while in w/d so can't say for sure if it provides physical relief, but I can see the powerful amazing awesomeness of this substance has the potential to change your core beliefs that ultimatley cause you to use opiates as an escape.

Now one problem I see is the potential of addiction to K itself as in my opinion it can be a very addictive drug and the escape K holes provide me are an escape in itself, and always when i get an amount whether a half weight, gram or eight ball it doesn't last long, maybe 2-3 days max. This I do believe though if far less dangerous and misery filled than a H or maintenace habit due to the fact there is no deep physical addiction like opies.

Plus in the long run I find the mindset and strenght that can be foound in a K hole can carry on for days in afterglow and keep you inspired and positive, and really could have the potential to change your personality deeply enough to change your mind and make the heart wrenching descision to kick the gear, like that acid trip convinced me to choose another path.

So I would recommend trying to taper the methadone and have the K after your dose while your not in withdrawal so you can concentrate on the insights and new energy that can be found to harness, and be a catalyst for the energy shift in side you.
 
4thDimension said:
they take me straight off the methadone and start the ketamine infusion. I am hoping it might help with my anxiety and depression but might cause hallucinations. I have benn on methadone for 5 months now. I am just so friggin terrified of what i am getting myself into. I don't know if I can take the withdrawals without going insane.
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How long will you stay on the ketamine? Is it a one session sort of thing, or will they keep giving it to you over a few days or longer? What kind of dosages are they giving you - are they giving you k as an anaesthetic so you're knocked out for a while (perhaps as part of a rapid detox), or will they be giving you lower dosages to perhaps help with pain while you're still conscious?

K is an interesting drug as it has quite different effects at different dosages, so finding this out is important to prepare yourself for what the experience may entail. It is an effective treatment for pain so I can see that it might be appropriate in this situation.
 
Has anyone tried ketamine for chronic pain?
Specifically, the topical ointment.
 
4thDimension said:
they take me straight off the methadone and start the ketamine infusion. I am hoping it might help with my anxiety and depression but might cause hallucinations.
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At the doses used for pain management it's uncommon to cause hallucinations. If anything it might just make you feel a bit funny (as you can imagine a very low dose dissociative might), but most tolerate it very well. It's often very effective. Good luck :)
 
The antidepressant effects of a single ketamine infusion can last for days afterwards. I suspect this may also be the case with the residual analgesic effects. I suspect the rationale for this treatment might therefore be to tap into one or both of those properties, to counteract the effects of opiate withdrawal. If they're using a similar infusion protocol as those used in some trials of its antidepressant effects (i.e. roughly 0.5 mg per kg body-weight infused over a 40 minute period), you're very unlikely to experience full-blown "psychotic" effects (e.g. hallucinations) or full dissociation. You may feel a bit "weird", i.e. some perceptual distortions, slight dissociation (e.g. feeling somewhat "separate" from the outside world) during the infusion, but maybe not.
 
K, may be a good way to combat opiates addiction. but K it self, is equally as addictive as opiates, imho.

Long term k abuse can cause many many nasty damages to your internal organs like Kidney/bladder/urinery tract.
and this damage can happen very soon. 6-12months of heavy use can cause these problems mentioned above.

I was addicted to K a few years back. heavy use for about 12months or so. Towards the end I was getting Kidney pains, bladder problems etc etc.

NASTYYYYYYYYYYYY

yo :)
but I agree it is a very good antidepresant substance :D

hopefully your detox works yo
 
Hi swim is currently In Melbourne Australia doing a ketamine infusion to get of oxycontin. As swim is only 28 year old war veteran who was blown up in Afghanistan they gave swim American Percocet to keep patrolling and doing his job as an infantry forward scout. Swim got back home from active service and was prescribed OC 40mg. Before swim knew it as 2 years went by swim was prescribed OC80mg (in Australia they are the OG Oxycontin none of that OP shit) Swim was Chewing and railing OC 80 like it was going out of fashion (about 8 a day) and swim had multiple doctors he had on the low to keep up this habit.

Now swim is in hospital on 6th day ketamine infusion. 2 days earlier swim was dying literally. My soul was stripped bare for all to see and swim was crying like a little girl for 3 days and almost strangled all the nurses here. The reason swim is posting this is because swim would not wish these WD's on his worst enemy and if you think of coming off OC ween yourself off before you get the ketamine infusion. It is hell.
 
^ Sounds like you have an interesting experience to share but please don't use swim. We don't do that here, we know it's you and it makes your post difficult to read.
 
Sounds like a good opportunity. Probably already know this but make sure you reduce to a much lower dose before attempting to go into hospital for the infusion.
 
Very interesting. I've used very low doses of k (and dxm) during opiate withdrawal to ease the depression and physical side of things and it's definitely helped, k especially. I did very small bumps every couple of hours and while I was still pretty sick it took the edge off (it definitely helped with the 'kicks' and anxiety) and seemed to help brighten my mood. K is an interesting drug and definitely has a lot of uses we're still discovering. A friend of mine is a physio and said its being used more and more in pain management, especially for serious ligament injuries, and from what he's seen it works well for a lot of people. Plus it has the added bonus of not being physically addictive like opiate painkillers.

Let us know how it goes OP and good luck with getting clean, don't let yourself get too worried, withdrawals aren't great but remember they're only temporary and many many people have been through them before (including a good percentage of ausdd!) so don't feel like you're alone on this one. Us bluelighters have your back anyway so if you need any moral support just give us a shout and we'll help where we can. I personally am sending you good vibes telepathically through my specially designed homemade al-foil helmet right now so you should be getting them anytime now...
 
al-foil hats, ketamine discussion? are you smoking rocks, cass :p

i think i might ask my doc if he has any experience with ketamine and dealing with his pain management patients. it might help me drop doses sooner than later and make it easier than i anticipate to. i'm looking to drop from 100mg b.d morphine to 80mg b.d before my birthday in march. i may have to up my 5mg diaz t.i.d to 7 or 10mg t.i.d while adjusting and then drop back.

to the OP, best of luck as well, mate:) am looking forward to any updates you have to bring us.
 
haha i was in a weird mood yesterday, too much sugar i think. i IV'd 100mg of k on saturday, it totally kicked my arse. the k hole happened so quickly i didnt consciously notice the change between sober and high, it was a strange feeling slowly realising i was lying on my outside couch tripping on k, for a while i actually thought id pissed myself. i really like k, its everything i wished acid would be, i love the 'astral travel' aspect of the high and find it quite insightful and rewarding. i wont be IV'ing it again though, its a bit too hardcore for me. i think its better to have a 'come-up' with k, i dont know why but i like having time to prepare and i think i also find it more euphoric. also i felt very nauseous during the comedown on saturday, i usually do feel a bit ill after k but nowhere near that bad.

tent can i ask what you take morphine and diaz for? its obviously quite a serious injury, morphine is pretty rarely prescribed in aus from what i understand. i wonder if k could help with your pain management? its definitely worth checking out. also what do 'b.d.' and 't.i.d.' mean? im sure ive heard them before somewhere but i cant put it together. do you find the diaz helps much for pain? im guessing its primary use is as a muscle relaxant - does it also potentiate the morphine a little so you get more relief from lower dosages? ok last question; have you tried taking a 1st gen antihistamine like hydoxyzine or even atropine or something to help potentiate the morphine or is there not much point?

sorry for the twenty questions man, im interested in pain management and how opiates and combinations of other drugs work to relieve both physical pain and the perception of pain..
 
I thought this thread was going to be about having ketamine in your tea, how wrong could I be. lol.. Jking.

I've only had K once, and it was a pill, that I railed and got into a massive K hole, pretty weird experience not being able to walk properly or see more than 2 feet in front of me and also not knowing where I was, when I was at a rave at Glebe, 20 mins from home. An hour later I had some wizz that enabled me to walk and run and dance again and know where the hell I was. Not really sure it was something I enjoyed very much actually.
 
cassandragemini said:
haha i was in a weird mood yesterday, too much sugar i think. i IV'd 100mg of k on saturday, it totally kicked my arse. the k hole happened so quickly i didnt consciously notice the change between sober and high, it was a strange feeling slowly realising i was lying on my outside couch tripping on k, for a while i actually thought id pissed myself. i really like k, its everything i wished acid would be, i love the 'astral travel' aspect of the high and find it quite insightful and rewarding. i wont be IV'ing it again though, its a bit too hardcore for me. i think its better to have a 'come-up' with k, i dont know why but i like having time to prepare and i think i also find it more euphoric. also i felt very nauseous during the comedown on saturday, i usually do feel a bit ill after k but nowhere near that bad.

tent can i ask what you take morphine and diaz for? its obviously quite a serious injury, morphine is pretty rarely prescribed in aus from what i understand. i wonder if k could help with your pain management? its definitely worth checking out. also what do 'b.d.' and 't.i.d.' mean? im sure ive heard them before somewhere but i cant put it together. do you find the diaz helps much for pain? im guessing its primary use is as a muscle relaxant - does it also potentiate the morphine a little so you get more relief from lower dosages? ok last question; have you tried taking a 1st gen antihistamine like hydoxyzine or even atropine or something to help potentiate the morphine or is there not much point?

sorry for the twenty questions man, im interested in pain management and how opiates and combinations of other drugs work to relieve both physical pain and the perception of pain..
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The most I ever did was 30mg ( hospital grade ketamine) I just got the needle out before I was on all fours trying to make sense of what the fuck was going on while holding on for my life. I managed to crawl down the hallway to my partner in the lounge and babble some gibberish about taking me to hospital. I can't imagine surviving 100mg IV... 30mg scared the shit out of me!!
Using K during Heroin withdrawal made my head burn up and gave me bad Neasea , didn't find it useful alleviating symptoms whatsoever .
Good luck tho.
 
cassandragemini said:
tent can i ask what you take morphine and diaz for? its obviously quite a serious injury, morphine is pretty rarely prescribed in aus from what i understand. i wonder if k could help with your pain management? its definitely worth checking out.
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initially my dx (diagnosis) was spina bifida at 16 (got injured in a league game and had to get x-rays which then revealed it; my father has the same condition), then spondylolisis and now is ankylosing spondylitis. what this means is my L4-L5-S1 vertebrae aren't fused together and i've got sclerosis to the right facet joint and suffer from sciatica and a hunch back where eventually my vertebrae are going to fude together (i'm really hoping it's just sponylolisis i have, as there's no real sign of anything fusing together, just compression in the lumbar which is highly visible on my x-rays). regards to morphine and it's prescribing, most of the doctors i've seen over the last couple years (after starting on tramadol > bupe patches > fent patches) have started me on oxycontin initially apart from the doc who switched me from fent to morphine; going back to 2007. he left, leaving me to find another doctor who i then started oxycontin which was my suggestion. from there on i stayed with oxycontin through to my current doc to which i then asked to be switched to morphine (for my own luxury of it being my fav opiate, especially when it comes to IV'ing) with codeine forte for breakthrough. i was using neurontin for the nerve pain side of things until adverse reactions started to occur, switching back to baclofen to help relieve muscle spasms and before too long i switched back to diazepam to help ease muscle spasms and even covers most of my nerve pain as a result of nullifying my muscle spasms, though they're mainly at bay with the morphine. the diazepam is also for GAD and insomnia.

i've always liked the prospect of implementing ketamine into my regime but i think i'd have fuck all of a chance. perhaps the doc would compromise with the topical cream. somehow i don't think he'd be down with that (ket infusions) as he wasn't down with the idea of prescribing neither oxynorm (IR oxy) nor IR morphine sulphate for breakthrough. i'd have to rehash and do my research on the ketamine side of things to give a convincing case.

also what do 'b.d.' and 't.i.d.' mean? im sure ive heard them before somewhere but i cant put it together.
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b.d - bi-daily/twice daily; t.i.d - thrice daily.

do you find the diaz helps much for pain? im guessing its primary use is as a muscle relaxant - does it also potentiate the morphine a little so you get more relief from lower dosages? ok last question; have you tried taking a 1st gen antihistamine like hydoxyzine or even atropine or something to help potentiate the morphine or is there not much point?
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yeah it definitely does help out with the pain, mainly muscle relaxant for spasms. though, if i'm having a day with minimal pain i can get away with popping a few valium throughout the day which is enough to keep me comfortable enough and functional. it doesn't necessarily potentiate, rather the synergy between the two make for great pain relief. the only time i really take any anti-histamine (usually promethazine or doxylamine succinate) is to relieve the itchies and scratchies when i'm getting high, am high. or when i'm in wd's to help ease symptoms. i don't use them to potentiate, i prefer the morphine by itself or with a little diazepam, again for the synergy between the two.

sorry for the twenty questions man, im interested in pain management and how opiates and combinations of other drugs work to relieve both physical pain and the perception of pain..
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no problems, i'm all too happy to share my experiences:)
 
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