For all the shit that people like to give Teo, this is really good advice for basically any of the HPPD-like posts that people put up here. Stop doing drugs. Don't smoke weed to "help". Weed is a wonderful thing, but there's no doubt that it has potential to cause anxiety, persisting hallucinations and other weirdness. You don't have to hold off of everything for as long as Teo says, but the whole "no drugs" thing is generally a pretty damn good idea until you feel better. Get some sleep, and for god's sake, don't turn back to heroin.
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Ketamine hangover - HELP ME
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For all the shit that people like to give Teo, this is really good advice for basically any of the HPPD-like posts that people put up here. Stop doing drugs. Don't smoke weed to "help". Weed is a wonderful thing, but there's no doubt that it has potential to cause anxiety, persisting hallucinations and other weirdness. You don't have to hold off of everything for as long as Teo says, but the whole "no drugs" thing is generally a pretty damn good idea until you feel better. Get some sleep, and for god's sake, don't turn back to heroin.
Delta-9-THC
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Yea I would say that smoking weed when your having mental issues (especially ones precipitated by other drugs) is not a great idea. It is unlikely to help you in this situation IMO and will probably make it worse. Sorry Sega, but pot isn't some cure all magic bullet that eases all maladies. Especially when it comes to mental issues.
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SugarFree88
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You don't have to take a shitload of diazepam just to go to sleep. K made me sleep-deprived, you retarded.
Ketamine is one of the most common drugs in italy (excluding pot and hash of course), so yes, it was 100% pure freebase ketamine. I AM SURE IT WAS. Can't tell you why on a public forum but if you want to discuss you have to assume that it was ketamine, and it was.
I'm starting to feel derealized anyway.
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Actually making freebase ketamine starting from ketamine hydrochloride is so easy.
YOU get real. They dont use ketamine alone.
Captain.Heroin
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Sometimes people need something in life.
I know what she's saying, I haven't used heroin for 17 months, but I know what she's saying.
You may not know what she's saying if you haven't been addicted to heroin.
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Hey SugarFree88, it sounds like you have a little bit of HPPD going on, which can be caused by psychedelics or disassociatives. I've dealt with most of the things you've described, except they were brought on by psychedelic use. It's really bad in the beginning, but it gets better with time, don't worry.
Because your reality testing is still intact, you're not going schizophrenic. I can almost guarantee you it's not a brain tumor either. The reality is a lot of people can use a ton of psychedelics/disassociatives and be fine their whole life, but also a lot get screwed, like you or me. I believe you don't see that many on bluelight, because if you have HPPD you don't want to read a psychedelic drugs forum anymore
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If it's anything like me, you'll find that your vision rapidly changes for the first month, but then stabilizes and slowly starts getting better from there. Eventually your derealization and depersonalization will go away, and with them most of your current anxiety. Vision gets better from there, but by that time your feeling pretty well mentally and you don't mind the vision that much anymore.
I hope this helps. Things that helped me is finding distractions, like exercise, going out with friends, or playing video games. Also the knowledge that it would eventually get better. Good luck! Oh, also, if this happened with and ketamine, I'd say it's just as likely it would have happened to you with mescaline, so don't kick yourself too hard.
Because your reality testing is still intact, you're not going schizophrenic. I can almost guarantee you it's not a brain tumor either. The reality is a lot of people can use a ton of psychedelics/disassociatives and be fine their whole life, but also a lot get screwed, like you or me. I believe you don't see that many on bluelight, because if you have HPPD you don't want to read a psychedelic drugs forum anymore
.If it's anything like me, you'll find that your vision rapidly changes for the first month, but then stabilizes and slowly starts getting better from there. Eventually your derealization and depersonalization will go away, and with them most of your current anxiety. Vision gets better from there, but by that time your feeling pretty well mentally and you don't mind the vision that much anymore.
I hope this helps. Things that helped me is finding distractions, like exercise, going out with friends, or playing video games. Also the knowledge that it would eventually get better. Good luck! Oh, also, if this happened with and ketamine, I'd say it's just as likely it would have happened to you with mescaline, so don't kick yourself too hard.
Don't do anymore Ketamine.
Refrain from doing any psychedelics until your head clears.
Exercise, lots of water, good food, vitamins etc.
Smoke pot if you want.
Just don't go back to the brown. I don't know your history, but if you were involved in heroin for any real length of time I'd imagine you've seen friends of yours die. There one day, gone the next, and thats the lucky ones, some choose to go out slower...
Fix is easy, time, and no hard drugs.
RIP Rizzla.
Refrain from doing any psychedelics until your head clears.
Exercise, lots of water, good food, vitamins etc.
Smoke pot if you want.
Just don't go back to the brown. I don't know your history, but if you were involved in heroin for any real length of time I'd imagine you've seen friends of yours die. There one day, gone the next, and thats the lucky ones, some choose to go out slower...
Fix is easy, time, and no hard drugs.
RIP Rizzla.
Jamshyd
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Because it is people like HER who give us a bad reputation.
And btw, many people gave her advice here, which she was quick to evade. Quite honestly? I care more about Ketamine's reputation than I care about some random girl from Italy who calls me a "stupid kid" and "a retarded".
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Jamshyd
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When did diazepam come to this conversation?
So let's see the facts, shall we?
1. You feel "hung over" several weeks after your last dose of "ketamine".
2. You are sleep-deprived and feeling depressed and "derealized"
3. You did over 400mg in one go
6. You have "freebase" "ketamine"
7. The doctor gives it to you
8. It is the 2nd most common drug in Italy
It looks like Amphetamine, it sounds like Amphetamine, it feels like Amphetamine.
Could it be, maybe, perhaps, just by a tiny bit of a chance, that you are confusing "Ketamine" with AMPHETAMINE?
Just maybe?
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Ketamine Freebase.
Take the Ketamine HCl and diluite it in water.
Basify it with NaOH.
Extract it with toluene or another non-polar solvent, then let it evaporate.
It's funny, isn't it? I sill have mild HPPD and sometimes DP and DR and all you can do is post this pointless shit. I still dont understand why you all say i dont know what i'm talking about, jesus christ.
It was ketamine. I'm sure it was pure ketamine. Now help me finding out why ketamine did this or GTFO.
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Amphetamines wont make you k-hole... 400mg... it's all about tolerance.
Some doctors used to take 4g of ketamine every day.
I'm feeling better anyway. At least i feel less fucked up.
I'm not sure why you don't seem to be taking sf88 seriously at all Jamshyd, but to me it sounds likely that it was ketamine you snorted. It turns into norketamine which stays in your blood a long time and if you do a lot of K then IIRC it can take up to a week to clear it.
The effects of it can be unpleasant, disorienting and depressive - it seems to confuse your sense of identity; I have definitely been fucked up by doing a lot of excellent ketamine.
I have also had a bad depressive episode of about a week after doing not even that much ketamine, (OK still a reasonable amount, but still: ) it was caused by getting extremely dissociated and thinking its a good idea to watch movies that are the most emotional to me of my life. drama and love etc. It was like me getting emptied and all that drama getting poured into me, reintegrating was a bitch after that since I felt so depressed from the imprint of watching those movies. Plus it was around New Year and the time of year / transition affected me in an unexpected way. A lot of ingredients to the mix I must say.
I don't know exactly what your mix of factors and history is, but can tell from personal experience that they can add up to a bad episode, like yours. With time I'm sure you'll be okay, but staying away from drugs for a while is very good advice and important to get past it. Don't get stuck in it, heroin makes you inert when it comes to processing experiences. To be honest, it shouldn't take too long to get back to baseline.
I wouldn't worry about this if you take good care of yourself, at least for a while!
This stuff is different than your typical hangover though, that's for sure. Way more complex and not necessarily in a linear relation to the amount of K used or frequency.
Not to mention personal diversity of tolerance of heavy ketamine use, keeping previous drug (ab)use in mind.
Looks like I didn't read the entire thing just yet though... freebase ketamine? Yes of course its possible to make it and try to smoke/vaporize it but I really think a lot of it is pyrolized either way. It's burned and destroyed, making a lot of noxious smoke. If that doesn't sound familiar it's probably not ketamine after all. Doesn't mean I change my point about K being able to cause the episodes that I was talking about.
The effects of it can be unpleasant, disorienting and depressive - it seems to confuse your sense of identity; I have definitely been fucked up by doing a lot of excellent ketamine.
I have also had a bad depressive episode of about a week after doing not even that much ketamine, (OK still a reasonable amount, but still: ) it was caused by getting extremely dissociated and thinking its a good idea to watch movies that are the most emotional to me of my life. drama and love etc. It was like me getting emptied and all that drama getting poured into me, reintegrating was a bitch after that since I felt so depressed from the imprint of watching those movies. Plus it was around New Year and the time of year / transition affected me in an unexpected way. A lot of ingredients to the mix I must say.
I don't know exactly what your mix of factors and history is, but can tell from personal experience that they can add up to a bad episode, like yours. With time I'm sure you'll be okay, but staying away from drugs for a while is very good advice and important to get past it. Don't get stuck in it, heroin makes you inert when it comes to processing experiences. To be honest, it shouldn't take too long to get back to baseline.
I wouldn't worry about this if you take good care of yourself, at least for a while!
This stuff is different than your typical hangover though, that's for sure. Way more complex and not necessarily in a linear relation to the amount of K used or frequency.
Not to mention personal diversity of tolerance of heavy ketamine use, keeping previous drug (ab)use in mind.
Looks like I didn't read the entire thing just yet though... freebase ketamine? Yes of course its possible to make it and try to smoke/vaporize it but I really think a lot of it is pyrolized either way. It's burned and destroyed, making a lot of noxious smoke. If that doesn't sound familiar it's probably not ketamine after all. Doesn't mean I change my point about K being able to cause the episodes that I was talking about.
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I'm here again and feeling a lot better.
CEVs are almost disappeared, i'm in the K world no more, and objects dont move no more, thankfully
It's getting better every day. I'm drinking a lot of water and fruit juices, i'm sleeping way more than before and trying to be relaxed.
I think i'm not gonna do any kind of drug until july - and i wont be that stupid this time.
I'd like to thank everyone who helped me, and above all i'd like to thank Sega420 (hug) (kiss)
I'm sure he didnt want to flirt with me even if "sega" in italian means "masturbation"
Thank you all.
CEVs are almost disappeared, i'm in the K world no more, and objects dont move no more, thankfully
It's getting better every day. I'm drinking a lot of water and fruit juices, i'm sleeping way more than before and trying to be relaxed.
I think i'm not gonna do any kind of drug until july - and i wont be that stupid this time.
I'd like to thank everyone who helped me, and above all i'd like to thank Sega420 (hug) (kiss)
I'm sure he didnt want to flirt with me even if "sega" in italian means "masturbation"
Thank you all.
Sega420
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just trying to help a fellow drug consumer.
does sega really mean masturbation?!?
kinda cool, i guess
like i said, stay safe, take it easy, and PM me if you need to talk.
- peace
does sega really mean masturbation?!?
kinda cool, i guess
like i said, stay safe, take it easy, and PM me if you need to talk.
- peace
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just trying to help a fellow drug consumer.
does sega really mean masturbation?!?
kinda cool, i guess
like i said, stay safe, take it easy, and PM me if you need to talk.
- peace
Yes it does... if a guy is "doing himself" a "sega", he's masturbating himself
Anyway, i read somewhere that this fucking HPPD is gonna last no more than a year if you get it after a period of strong drug usage.
If you get it after your first blotter, then there's not a way out... but if you get it because you took all the shit i took, just calm down, stop taking drugs for 2 months, drink a lot and work out, it will pass.
Thank you again
Appreciated
Jamshyd
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Ok. So let's say you did this and it worked.
Now what? What, exactly, is the point of "freebasing" Ketamine?
I'm honestly interested in knowing.
I thought this thread had died, then I saw this whole freebasing business, and this was my question exactly....
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No big deal, you snort freebase ketamine just like you snort ketamine HCl.
Never knew why, but around here (Italy) freebase ketamine seems to be the coolest drug ever. It's easier to sell and people say that it hurts less the nostrils and that the hangover is better.
I know, despite the reinassance this country is populated by pretty dumb people (and ran by mafia btw 8))...
That-Strange-Guy
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Not trying to knock your theory as I am not experienced in this area but isn't that like saying that crack is better to snort than cocaine as crack is free-based cocaine?