Ketamine hangover - HELP ME

[SugarFree88]

Not trying to knock your theory as I am not experienced in this area but isn't that like saying that crack is better to snort than cocaine as crack is free-based cocaine?

All i know is that in my country you can sell 0.4-0.5g of freebase ketamine for 40€ when you'd pay 20€ for a 0.4-0.5g bag filled with ketamine hcl.
Don't ask me why. I know that most of my connationals are retarded.

Anyway i'm feeling derealized again. I hope it will pass soon. My serotonergic system is quite fucked up i guess. All i can do is trying to sleep even if i can't.

Goodnight

 

[That-Strange-Guy]

I have had similar problems over this past year, it was not only HPPD though. Basically I took too much drugs and didn't feel right when I came down, it was like my ego landed in the wrong body and never went to normal for months. I prolonged the healing process the more I worried about it and went to the hospital a dozen times for new symptoms that I was self creating.

If your anything like me I know it will be really hard to ignore the depersonalization aspects and the differences your feeling but just kinda accept it as your new self and just continue to make the best of it without any drugs at all. Possibly eat healthy and take some multi vitamins. I am sure you will come around in time but the way the brain works is you won't get better until you get a diagnosis and a definite answer. I was not at peace until the doctors told me my health was above normal and nothing was wrong with me besides having a few harmless drugs to flush from my system. They basically ordered me to go home and not to come back until something is actually wrong.

 

[Jamshyd]

If you ask me, I think someone is tricking you by selling you "Ketamine freebase". And I really don't mean to make fun of you or anything like that.

It just doesn't make sense to sell, much less snort, freebase ketamine. At all.

 

[helium-4]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't dare smoke, snort, etc. freebase ketamine. Freebase katamine is caustic as fuck. No one sells freebase as it would be a waste of time and cause you to lose a little product in the conversion, it just doesn't make sense.

Ketamine at recreational doses is pretty much benign (excluding daily abuse). Also think about it, the recreational doses are well below medicinal uses. Ketamine is used in emergency surgerys for children with minimal evidence of potential danger. I think you can be sure it wasn't ketamine that caused/is causing your problem.

 

[RavinRaphael]

base K? Yeah, its the same as preform, crystal shard k, base k. looks like tiny glass rocks. u can crush and sniff or u can add water and re-cook.

It's a real thing.

400mg of ketamine in one line....what's so unbelievable about that? split a G and go to town.

Im not sure i believe this thread but those parts were def bothering me.

 

[SugarFree88]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't dare smoke, snort, etc. freebase ketamine. Freebase katamine is caustic as fuck. No one sells freebase as it would be a waste of time and cause you to lose a little product in the conversion, it just doesn't make sense.

Ketamine at recreational doses is pretty much benign (excluding daily abuse). Also think about it, the recreational doses are well below medicinal uses. Ketamine is used in emergency surgerys for children with minimal evidence of potential danger. I think you can be sure it wasn't ketamine that caused/is causing your problem.

If you ask me, I think someone is tricking you by selling you "Ketamine freebase". And I really don't mean to make fun of you or anything like that.

It just doesn't make sense to sell, much less snort, freebase ketamine. At all.

Goddamn it. If one of the moderators allows me to do so, i'm gonna post a picture of a bag of freebase ketamine.

I couldnt care less if you don't believe me of if you wouldnt dare smoke, snort or whatever you say freebase k, all i know is that all over Italy freebase K seems to be the coolest drug ever and i can do nothing about it. It's a matter of fashion.

And no, no one was tricking me. I don't buy drugs if i don't know where they come from.

 

[SugarFree88]

Jesus Christ, I hope this will be enough:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=479271
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16121

Freebase K:

 

[Jamshyd]

^ Um, ok if you say so.

So let's see: people dry the Ketamine they pour out of vials, crystalize it, freebase it, recrystalize the freebase, selling it as such, then recrystalize that again? Wow, kids these days are very inventive.

I still think whoever is selling to you is ripping you off because I *STILL* don't see the point of freebasing K other than smoking, which seems less affective than any other method.

I do believe you now that it is possible to perform, though.

 

[Jamshyd]

400mg of ketamine in one line....what's so unbelievable about that? split a G and go to town.

There is simply no point in taking 400mg of K in one dose - the effect would be a knockout and an annoying, nauseating after-effect, unless you're a long-time addict or your K is horrendously cut.

 

[SugarFree88]

^ Um, ok if you say so.

So let's see: people dry the Ketamine they pour out of vials, crystalize it, freebase it, recrystalize the freebase, selling it as such, then recrystalize that again? Wow, kids these days are very inventive.

I still think whoever is selling to you is ripping you off because I *STILL* don't see the point of freebasing K other than smoking, which seems less affective than any other method.

1) Some dealers buy Ketamine HCl and they crystalize it, then they sell it.
Some dealers buy Ketamine HCl and the sell it as it is.

Some guys who bought Ketamine HCl from a dealer have (of course) to crystalize it if they want to sell crystal ketamine.

It's that simple, you're making this process looking way more complex than it is.
"crystalize it, freebase it, recrystalize the freebase, selling it as such, then recrystalize that again?" wtf?!

2) You don't see the point of freebasing K, neither do i. People do that just because it's cool.
And no, i'm sure that no one was ripping me off. I can't tell why on a forum but it's VERY unprobable someone ripped me. Almost impossible. I know my sources very well.

 

[SugarFree88]

There is simply no point in taking 400mg of K in one dose - the effect would be a knockout and an annoying, nauseating after-effect, unless you're a long-time addict or your K is horrendously cut.

Don't know if you're a doctor or if you belive everything Erowid says, but 400mg insufflated is really the average dose for a K-Hole.

I've seen people who snorted even more than that the fourth or the fifth time they did ketamine, don't know who told you that 400mg will knock you out completely.
Moreover, i think that you need a little time to build tolerance for Ketamine.

I was snorting Ketamine since 2009, don't forget it.

 

[spsv686]

Ok i had a similar situation (not with K but with a bad hangover) AND IVE FOUND THE CURE. I like to call it smoke therapy. Smoke some weed by all means for the next few days, go to the gym, and eat as much as you can (healthy food only!). Start by running or doing some work out routines, then when youve physicaly exhausted yourself smoke some fine weed then get your favorite food to eat. Then just relax =)

this works every time. just make sure you cut back on your smoking when your done.

 

[Jamshyd]

1) Some dealers buy Ketamine HCl and they crystalize it, then they sell it.
Some dealers buy Ketamine HCl and the sell it as it is.

Some guys who bought Ketamine HCl from a dealer have (of course) to crystalize it if they want to sell crystal ketamine.

It's that simple, you're making this process looking way more complex than it is.
"crystalize it, freebase it, recrystalize the freebase, selling it as such, then recrystalize that again?" wtf?!

2) You don't see the point of freebasing K, neither do i. People do that just because it's cool.
And no, i'm sure that no one was ripping me off. I can't tell why on a forum but it's VERY unprobable someone ripped me. Almost impossible. I know my sources very well.

Well then, we obviously have a communication barrier because it seems you don't understand what I mean by "recrystalize" (I was refering to the thread you linked me), and it seems I don't understand what you mean by "freebase".

I mean, even you say that you don't see the point in freebasing K. If someone is selling you something pointless for 2x the price of something more useful, aren't they ripping you off? That is, unless you're the one selling it and ripping others off.

Don't know if you're a doctor or if you belive everything Erowid says, but 400mg insufflated is really the average dose for a K-Hole.

I've seen people who snorted even more than that the fourth or the fifth time they did ketamine, don't know who told you that 400mg will knock you out completely.
Moreover, i think that you need a little time to build tolerance for Ketamine.

I was snorting Ketamine since 2009, don't forget it.

You've been taking K for 10 years. Of course you have a tolerance.

But 400mg of pure Ketamine is an over-dose for someone with no tolerance.

And btw, using K for 10 years, you ought to know better whether K (alone, without other drugs) causes hangovers or if it doesn't. You insist that the K you took this time is the same you took your whole life, yet somehow this time you got a bad hangover. Don't you think something is a bit different?

I am not a doctor and I do not follow erowid like a bible, however I am more familiar with K than any other drug I've used.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I have been browsing this site for a long time now, but I never got around to registering since I use way too many forums as it is, however this thread was enough to get me to register as I have a fair bit of experience with Ketamine and want to share my thoughts.

Ketamine freebase does exist, however it is not made for the purpose of being smoked, and HCl is better for this purpose (Believe it or not, you can smoke Ketamine HCl, it is intense, however I am not sure what the products of decomposition would be and so I would never recommend this route of administration). Freebase, if I recall correctly, is roughly the same as HCl in terms of potency, however 500mg of Freebase looks like 1g of HCl, so it is likely people produce it for this reason, so that they can sell smaller amounts for higher prices, or because people choose the bag that looks bigger over the one that looks smaller, even if they are really getting the same amount.

Ketamine use, and even abuse, do NOT cause lasting hallucinations or perception distortions, the real issues with Ketamine abuse are kidney/bladder damage and problems with spatial memory. You have experienced what is called derealization, where it seems like nothing is quite "real", and everything is out of place somehow, I am sure you will agree that accurately describes what you began to experience after you came down. Derealization can be unpleasant and can make day to day life hard, it is unlikely that it caused your sleep deprivation, however stress and anxiety as a result of you believing that you suffered permanent damage would be enough to cause this. Now as for the hallucinations and CEVs, these are most likely a cause of the sleep deprivation, I have long bouts of insomnia at times and I experience these things too.

You should find a reliable source for Ketamine HCl, stop your use for a few months in order to achieve baseline tolerance, and then use lower doses. A K hole is very easily achievable with 150-250mg provided that the product is un-cut and your tolerance is low. You should not need to use 400mg+, and if you are having to use this much it is a sign either you are using too much over a short period of time, or the product is not up to scratch. If you are redosing too then this is a sign that you need to cut down or find better product, as with a true K hole you are not aware of your surroundings and are physically unable to redose. 400mg is not an overdose even with low tolerance in that you will not suffer lasting damage or any real risk, however it will be very unpleasant and you will most likely be sick, multiple times. However, with low/baseline tolerance, 150-250mg is more than enough to reach utter obliteration of the ego.

Finally, ensure you are getting enough food, exercise, and sleep, and any problems that are still there will soon disappear. As for derealization, it varies from person to person, but it will fade and disappear with time.

 

[Jamshyd]

^ Fantastic post! Thank you so much.

Please consider staying on BL because it seems you'd be a good asset for our site.

 

[SugarFree88]

Well then, we obviously have a communication barrier because it seems you don't understand what I mean by "recrystalize" (I was refering to the thread you linked me), and it seems I don't understand what you mean by "freebase".

I mean, even you say that you don't see the point in freebasing K. If someone is selling you something pointless for 2x the price of something more useful, aren't they ripping you off? That is, unless you're the one selling it and ripping others off.

You've been taking K for 10 years. Of course you have a tolerance.

But 400mg of pure Ketamine is an over-dose for someone with no tolerance.

And btw, using K for 10 years, you ought to know better whether K (alone, without other drugs) causes hangovers or if it doesn't. You insist that the K you took this time is the same you took your whole life, yet somehow this time you got a bad hangover. Don't you think something is a bit different?

I am not a doctor and I do not follow erowid like a bible, however I am more familiar with K than any other drug I've used.

1) I think so too. Anyway, i'm not explaining here who my boyfriend knew and how he got his ketamine, but no one was ripping me off, since i had my ketamine almost for free. And i'm sure it was pure ketamine.
I know, it's absolutely pointless, but here freebase k its cool (4th time i say this). So don't blame me if i live in a stupid country.

2) I've been using Ketamine for a long time, but never k-holed like this. It was deep, i was floating. And then this.
I'm sorry if i insulted your ketamine if you love it that much, just like i love my 5-MeO-DMT, but this is what ketamine does on me and i can do nothing about it.

I don't know how much you weight and the tolerance you have but i knew a big guy who didnt enter K-Hole until he reached a 700/800mg dose. And his tolerance was not this big.

 

[SugarFree88]

I have been browsing this site for a long time now, but I never got around to registering since I use way too many forums as it is, however this thread was enough to get me to register as I have a fair bit of experience with Ketamine and want to share my thoughts.

Ketamine freebase does exist, however it is not made for the purpose of being smoked, and HCl is better for this purpose (Believe it or not, you can smoke Ketamine HCl, it is intense, however I am not sure what the products of decomposition would be and so I would never recommend this route of administration). Freebase, if I recall correctly, is roughly the same as HCl in terms of potency, however 500mg of Freebase looks like 1g of HCl, so it is likely people produce it for this reason, so that they can sell smaller amounts for higher prices, or because people choose the bag that looks bigger over the one that looks smaller, even if they are really getting the same amount.

Ketamine use, and even abuse, do NOT cause lasting hallucinations or perception distortions, the real issues with Ketamine abuse are kidney/bladder damage and problems with spatial memory. You have experienced what is called derealization, where it seems like nothing is quite "real", and everything is out of place somehow, I am sure you will agree that accurately describes what you began to experience after you came down. Derealization can be unpleasant and can make day to day life hard, it is unlikely that it caused your sleep deprivation, however stress and anxiety as a result of you believing that you suffered permanent damage would be enough to cause this. Now as for the hallucinations and CEVs, these are most likely a cause of the sleep deprivation, I have long bouts of insomnia at times and I experience these things too.

You should find a reliable source for Ketamine HCl, stop your use for a few months in order to achieve baseline tolerance, and then use lower doses. A K hole is very easily achievable with 150-250mg provided that the product is un-cut and your tolerance is low. You should not need to use 400mg+, and if you are having to use this much it is a sign either you are using too much over a short period of time, or the product is not up to scratch. If you are redosing too then this is a sign that you need to cut down or find better product, as with a true K hole you are not aware of your surroundings and are physically unable to redose. 400mg is not an overdose even with low tolerance in that you will not suffer lasting damage or any real risk, however it will be very unpleasant and you will most likely be sick, multiple times. However, with low/baseline tolerance, 150-250mg is more than enough to reach utter obliteration of the ego.

Finally, ensure you are getting enough food, exercise, and sleep, and any problems that are still there will soon disappear. As for derealization, it varies from person to person, but it will fade and disappear with time.

I'm printing this and putting it right into the bible. I hope you're right.
My source was reliable but this thing, CEVs from sleep deprivation, i think it may be the real deal.

So you're saying this is not HPPD?

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

For all the shit that people like to give Teo, this is really good advice for basically any of the HPPD-like posts that people put up here. Stop doing drugs. Don't smoke weed to "help". Weed is a wonderful thing, but there's no doubt that it has potential to cause anxiety, persisting hallucinations and other weirdness. You don't have to hold off of everything for as long as Teo says, but the whole "no drugs" thing is generally a pretty damn good idea until you feel better. Get some sleep, and for god's sake, don't turn back to heroin.

Thanks.

 

[tittysnacks74]

well, cannabis doesnt cause hangovers. just "burnouts" if you smoke too much.
a good rule -
if you're already blazed as fuck, but simply like the act of smoking a bong or joint, buy some damiana.
its a reasonably tasty herb to smoke in place of ur weed.

sometimes when im stoned as a rock and i dont wanna waste my stash, i pack a few bowls of damiana, as i love the act of smoking a bong.
also, damiana is a natural calming herb, (and an aphrodisiac) and is also good for the reproductive system when made into a tea. cheap also.

also id say that cannabis isnt a disassociative, but more of a mild hallucinogen/sedative.
if you are feeling depressed for no reason and getting urges to do heroin, then i
take back what i said about not smoking ganj.
in your case i would strongly recommend you smoke some herb (but in a bong, as it lasts SOOO much longer, and a tiny amount gets you baaaaaked).

willie nelson smoked herb, and he quit tobacco and alcohol.
cannabis puts you in touch with your soul and makes you not want to do shit that you KNOW will harm you.

what i would also recommend is if there are any health food shops (if not, check the internet) near you,
you should buy some 5-HT or 5-HTP (not sure which its called);
this is a natural serotonin re-upper. it is the only natural way to rebalance your serotonin levels.


as far as heroin goes, please don't go back. not just for you, but for all the people in your life.
no matter what you think, you are loved by many, im sure.

and also, no matter what you think, heroin just ends up making things 100x worse.
the spiral just goes deeper and deeper and gets harder to get out of...

if you want to talk, ill PM you my email adress if you have MSN messenger. (i also have AIM)
you sound like a nice person, and I'd like to help.
(and no it aint to flirt with you as im halfway round the world! )

Don't assume that this is good advice. Just like any psychoactive, pot affects everyone differently and depending on your makeup smoking it can make things worse.

And I definitely get "hangovers" from smoking weed. IMO, there is absolutely nothing appealing about the substance at all.