Ketamine advice

[7zark7]

reminds me of once at a party, started pissing but i started growing really tall and the toilet bowl felt like it was miles below haha

nah! You weren't growing taller... it's just that the toilet was shrinking!

 

[Riklet]

I really enjoy ket at low doses, I don't get how getting really fucking messy on it is "fun" exactly, in a social situation anyway. K-holing is a different realm altogether, but it's always seemed to me that the "middle area" before you get there is really quite crazily confusing and strange (I guess in a giggly fun way), not the kinda zone I would want to be at a party/rave/gig/club, or anywhere really but a nice snug room or tent.

I stick to bumps really. I've only fully K holed once, and it was perhaps one of the strangest and most amazing experiences of my life, being sucked into this void, of dimension and space and perception, or rather lack of it... I honestly had no idea if my eyes were open or not, I was just lying on my bed zooming around this elevator filled universe chasing lifts and lights and fish going through time and space, shit..... there are no words. It's not really something I have a particular desire to do again, I think it blew me away to such an extent I gained quite a respectful feeling... like K's not to be fucked with.

Pretty obvious it is not safe anyway, what with all the K-pains and general clouding and moresomeness of it. I know someone who's early 20s and has a catheter from insane daily abuse of K. Pretty fucked up.

Bumps of K are fucking great though, there's that amazing childlike energy I find it gives me, which makes me dance and talk shite and laugh, whilst coming up with bizarre ideas.... like making a rum/yop/icecream smoothie with nutella on top with some mates :D %) 8)

Hope it's going well anyway!

 

[TheSpade]

I honestly had no idea if my eyes were open or not

Yeah the one time I K-Holed properly I couldn't have told you at the time whether my eyes were open or not either. What I was experiencing seemed very real as if it was happenng but in retrospect clearly wasn't. Very very vivid though.

I get the impression most peoples K Hole escapades / visions are in black & white? Mines were full colour.

 

[tekkeN]

my friend stood up in a squat party while on a daft amount and pissed all over the fireplace in front of everyone, luckily it was dark and everyone else was twisted

this particular person has had to quit K recently, after having a few pints and a line he passed out and woke up in ossy.. think it was sketchy stuff though, didn't get it from normal dealer and got it very cheap. he has been fine (ish) on K an booze sessions before, but this shit knocked him clean out

while we're on horror stories, did you know very heavy, longterm regular ketamine use can damage your kidneys? the K can crystallize in your stomach and its like having a kidney stone. I know some people down south who have a friend who now has to piss through a catheter for the rest of her puff

but it seems pretty safe to use occasionally.. treat it like acid, even though its entirely different.. ketamine can be very habit forming, unlike acid.

sorry to be preachy by the way

 

[Evad]

while we're on horror stories, did you know very heavy, longterm regular ketamine use can damage your kidneys? the K can crystallize in your stomach and its like having a kidney stone. I know some people down south who have a friend who now has to piss through a catheter for the rest of her puff

crystalise in your stomach? what? have you any source for this? i'm aware and have suffered from "k cramps" etc but this post sounds like a lot of bad science

 

[Shambles]

this post sounds like a lot of bad science

From which the bad AIDS springs and then the e-cards come raining down upon us all .

Stomach crystals sounds a bit farfetched to me too, but I'd be interested to see more .

 

[tekkeN]

well I have only heard about this from my cuz, but I did a Google search and found a Reuters Article, just an article, not scientific. there is also this; http://www.drinkanddrugs.net/features/july2808/ketamine.pdf, from DrinkandDrugs.net.

(not the beginning of the article) As we began to ask service users at BDP about urinary
problems, it became apparent that many ketamine users had experienced similar symptoms – in fact this was common experience among heavy users. Chronic ketamine users told us of a list of typical symptoms varying with severity, such as pain and burning on passing urine, blood in the urine, necessity to pass urine frequently and suddenly, and leakage of urine. These effects seemed to be directly related to the damage done to the bladder lining, which bled as it became inflamed. More worryingly, the scarring found in the bladder might also appear in the ureters (tubes from kidneys to bladder) and ultimately lead to kidney damage.

Some patients were unable to cope with the severe and frequent pain and had
had a catheter inserted; one patient in the South West had their bladder removed as their symptoms were so bad. With patients tending to be very young (in their 20s), these were not decisions to be taken lightly. The prognosis of patients who have bladder damage following ketamine use is unknown. Some patients’ symptoms worsen as they continue to take ketamine; others improve if they stop, but others continue to get worse despite stopping ketamine. There are reports of similar cases following long-term prescribed use of ‘pure’ ketamine for pain control. (continues...)

so yeah, sorry, my post was incorrect and lacking evidence, but I knew there were urology issues with regular use

all the ket users in the DrinkandDrugs article are very heavy users, but there do seem to be health issues with ketamine that are not very well known

 

[Urbain]

time for an update. beeen snorting a few lines and feeling very woozy.. like pissed but wth none of that horrible sicky dizzy feeling. feeel groggy, but im wondergn if im gonna hit the k hole as i think that would be nice to experience.

doing half lines at the moment and my mate has some weed on the go. should i continue doing hlafs at 20 min intervals or smoke some weeed?

anyway, cant focus that well, its half 2 and im feeling good but wud like some visual suff

 

[Evad]

doing small lines all night makes it harder to k-hole at the end for me, do a big line if you want to k-hole, what's a half line?

 

[tekkeN]

you have to take a irresponsible amount for it to get visual imo, but it can get very visual.. hope you can read this!!

 

[Evad]

whats with your usage of the word irresponsible? it's a much smaller dose than is used medically. ketamine is a relatively safe drug, all these health problems are from people doing multiple grams a day.

 

[tekkeN]

dunno, just a line you probably shouldn't recommend..? sorry if I'm coming across as preachy, I did say when I posted those links that these health problems were from very heavy use.. this has sort of turned into a general thread on ketamine info/stories and I figured it was worth mentioning.. have fun Urbain

edit: I mean, when you take enough K to hole, you are in no fit state to do anything! I am not saying this is bad, its just an irresponsible amount.. you are gone, beneath the astral planes thanks to Mrs kitty ketamine. just like drinking a huge bottle of spirits really fast is irresponsible, not wrong just, bah! I dunno

 

[Urbain]

Should i just do a big line? Coming round from that grogginess now, still feel slightly woozy but like i could sleep for years

 

[tekkeN]

up to you pal. nyone under the influence of psychedelics at the moment should mess around with Powder night everyone

 

[Evad]

Urbain if you want to feel the psychadellic side then thats what has to be done but if you dont feel up to it then dont.

edit: I mean, when you take enough K to hole, you are in no fit state to do anything! I am not saying this is bad, its just an irresponsible amount.. you are gone, beneath the astral planes thanks to Mrs kitty ketamine. just like drinking a huge bottle of spirits really fast is irresponsible, not wrong just, bah! I dunno

I can see what you're getting at but I really disagree. Sure doing it in public or somewhere when you could get hurt could be described as irresponsible but doing a k-hole dose in a bed or your house or anywhere safe isn't really physically dangerous. The dosages used are far smaller than those used intraveinously during surgery and it has a worldwide reputation as a safe anaesthetic. A big line of ket will do far less damage to your body than drinking a litre of glens.

 

[7zark7]

Pretty obvious it is not safe anyway, what with all the K-pains and general clouding and moresomeness of it. I know someone who's early 20s and has a catheter from insane daily abuse of K. Pretty fucked up.

What the hell are K pains supposed to be? I have heard the term used by Americans and Canadians but not over here.

Regarding the kidney, stomach, bladder problems - I am not sure about this. I know people that have used K for years without any such problems, but have heard of one or two people (friend of a friend of a friend) that have and urinary infections after only using it for a short while. Plus, didn't John Lilly use Ketamine daily for a year and suffered no such issues?

My shot in the dark would be that it is a certain brand of Ket that is responsible for this. As we all know, there are a good number of manufactures of the substance and some of them could include another chemical, such as a preservative, that might be to blame. Either that or it has been cut somewhere along the line - I have seen a lot of shit about in the last couple of years.
Another guess is that when people snort it, they are losing a lot down the back of their throat and it is ending up in the stomach. Factor in the fact that they may not have eaten much and it is landing on an empty stomach and irritating it.
Also, I am sure Ketamine HCl is a diuretic (and a salt!) so maybe dehydration is another culprit of urinary infections. I am not saying Ket is completely blameless, I just think that these problems aren't solely down to the drug itself.

 

[eclipsedesign]

Should i just do a big line? Coming round from that grogginess now, still feel slightly woozy but like i could sleep for years

I would say yes.

Go for 100mg and experience the full power of the k-hole, it's a lot more fun than just doing small lines IMO. Although tolerance builds up rapidly so I don't know if 100mg will do it if you've been doing small lines all night but I'm not too sure with weight as I usually just tip a little bit out of the wrap.. *shrugs*.

Have fun

 

[The Kid]

So Urby, what did you end up doing?

 

[Urbain]

Did about 250mg's over a 5 hour period i think in the end. It was weird, as each line i took, i could feel myself getting closer to holing, but in the end after my last fat line, i felt quite nauaseus and that lead to some uncomfortableness. In hindsight its clear i was trying to replicate a trippy effect and i did enter some trance like states, but never experienced any huge visuals or anything with definition. I got to the last point of almost throwing up and at the end it wasnt pleasant for me, so i quit while i was ahead and went to bed. Not sure if i'll do it again to be honest. I didnt enjoy the experience of feeling numb and sedated, so I think i'll try some acid next for a trip.

Thanks very much for all the advice and input chaps

 

[Urbain]

Yeah, weed could have possibly made it worse though. It never sits well with me, but I wanted to give it a go to see how it could work with the K.