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Ketamine: A cure to depression? (Texas studies)

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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/31/ketamine-miracle-antidepressant/

More data is now available—this time from the Ben Taub General Hospital in Houston, Texas—suggesting that the “club drug” ketamine can rapidly relieve symptoms of major depression.

Ketamine, or Special K as it is known on the streets, when used illicitly, can cause feelings of unreality and hallucinations. Its side effects—even when given in a medical environment (where it is given intravenously)—can include psychotic experiences, bladder problems and heart problems.

The truly astounding benefits reported by some of the depressed patients in Texas (and previously reported by researchers at Yale University), however, mean it is time to ramp up research into whether intravenous doses of ketamine, administered by doctors, will prove to be a very powerful new tool in fighting major depression and, perhaps, other conditions including panic disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Ketamine is turning out to provide windows of hope into the future for people who have struggled and seen only darkness for months or years. Some of these patients have not benefited from psychiatric medications or even from electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). Some of these patients were contemplating suicide and were relieved almost instantly of the desire to end their lives. They feel hopeful, again. They feel motivated, again. And the relief from a single dose of ketamine can last for weeks. This opens up the possibility that those who were hostage to nearly unbearable suffering could have the weight lifted from their shoulders by seeing a doctor for a weekly dose, or even a dose every two weeks.

It is possible that experiencing a period of well-being for a week might be enough, in and of itself, to give patients hope and keep them moving toward recovery.

Potentially even more important than the discovery that ketamine seems to work as well as it does, researchers at Yale have already identified the chemical pathway and a key enzyme involved in the way that ketamine actually restores connections between brain cells. This enzyme, called mTOR, is critical in the synthesis of a protein nerve cells need to repair the fluid-filled “touch points,” called synapses, at which they exchange chemical messengers. Knowing this means that studies should be undertaken to see whether ketamine can also prevent relapses to depression in those who have recovered, or worsening of depression in those who have moderate symptoms.

I have written before (about 16 months ago) and am writing again now that it is time for the FDA to fast-track ketamine for approved use in select patient populations—those with severe major depression not relieved by other treatment modalities.

I also believe that anyone with a loved one who is now suffering the ravages of a very serious major depression, in which suicidal thinking has occurred, and in which medication and other strategies haven’t worked, should be searching for a psychiatrist willing to procure and administer ketamine.

Dr. Ablow is the author of "Inside the Mind of Casey Anthony." He is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at [email protected]. His team of Life Coaches can be reached at [email protected].

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/31/ketamine-miracle-antidepressant/#ixzz20ilgzaLy

I'm sure many of us already knew of Ketamine's anti depressant properties but this seems promising. Especially coming from the US, concidering they are at the 'front line on the war against drugs'. I've always said for people suffering from depression an injection of Ketamine would be far better than the likes of Prozac, which do more harm than they do good.
 
That's standard for someone who's been a heavy stimulant user though. I used to loathe the stuff and even anyone who took it, wasn't til I one day ended up with 5 grams of it and tried it sober without being drunk or out of my brains on mephedrone I realised how fun it actually is. Just taking wee lines and getting a feel for it first with appropriate tunes on, this soon turned to smashing in big dunters of lines and floating round the ceiling, then doing it when drunk and with stims (no sesh was complete without mephedrone 2cb and ketamine). It's still my favorite substance now but I've not had any since Feb when I tried IM'ing and scared myself off it a bit. It is very morish when you get into it.

It definately has a positive vibe to it. Especially IM'd. We used to do a couple grams of ket at the end of a sesh on mephedrone, it would put us in far more of a mess then. Hole off lower doses than usual. But the comedown off the meph then was fine, felt positive in the days after just a little drained.

Last couple times I've had it I've even noticed it effects my exercise regime for the better. Social aswell. In the days after this is. When I'm actually on it I don't move much at all... Getting some this week I'm going to try not hammer it all in one binge and just take a bit each day/night, 1 bump before the gym in the morning I'm very interested to see what happens, it definately made me stronger than usual doing the bench at home last time.
 
I think Ket is terrifying, would turn my depression into a suicide attempt in one hit.

I find the first night weird and scary, and the next night and the night after that I really enjoy it because I am reassured that I definitely won't die.
 
...but I'm sure Ket can cure many things, given the right dose...

I've never really been a fan of snorting a massive line of Ketamine and falling down the rabbit hole, I've always much rather been a fan of small lines, as one would with MXE, and - if I feel like it - continuing the doses until bedtime then have a larger line to gently sink into a velvety custard ;)

There's so much potential and now hopefully it will be recognised (though I'm a cynical cunt).
Also, them pinning down the enzyme that helps with creating proteins responsible for helping build synapse's connections is fucking brilliant.

BUT! ..... Fox? Cereally? 8(
The fucking world must be actually over the other side of the looking glass...
{0.o}
 
Yes Monsta you hit the nail on the head. This is what interested me the most;

This enzyme, called mTOR, is critical in the synthesis of a protein nerve cells need to repair the fluid-filled “touch points,” called synapses, at which they exchange chemical messengers. Knowing this means that studies should be undertaken to see whether ketamine can also prevent relapses to depression in those who have recovered, or worsening of depression in those who have moderate symptoms.

I have no idea what Fox are like, I never watch their news or anything. There were 4 different articles CNN, ABC etc I just used that one because it seemed the best written.

I wonder what just taking the enzyme on it's own would do for me. I don't so much get depression as just phases of pure excellence and phases of meh (I know that's life), but if you could feel like the best version of yourself constantly it would be good wouldn't it? :)
 
This sort of research was done about five ago, also. They found massive improvements. I must admit that I feel happier than usual, and my anxiety goes down, in the days after use.
 
Any anxieties (is that a word, I think not!) I have are completely forgotten in the days after during K. I'd say this lasts about 2 weeks if I play my cards right. You can fuck it up easily by doing stims or heavy boozing though.

I have much more motivation/creativity about me in the days after using K. Definately.
 
then doing it when drunk and with stims

Booze and ket is the worst combo ever. Every time it made me feel like I was being spun upside down over and over again.
 
Once you get properly into the swing of things booze can be a blessing if you only have a little left few cans of cider and it's easier to hole.

It's just for novice users they usually don't mix well. Most seasoned fiends enjoy the mix.
 
The One you have been waiting for eh RS ?
if it was prescribed theoretically your tolerance is so high already( this is from what you have posted ) that no Doc. would go near you.

Doubt it will happen over here . Folk say about Ketamine & how it is used as a anesthetic what they forget is that when it is used it is done in conjunction with a cathater.

DR ABLOW ?

" Can someone give DR Ablow .......
 
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I'm not interested in it for me brimz. Just that I think it genuinely would do a lot of severely depressed people some good.

The doses they would be prescribing for depression and the doses they use for anesthetics after an accident wouldn't be enough to worry about bladder problems.
 
I'm not interested in it for me brimz. Just that I think it genuinely would do a lot of severely depressed people some good.

The doses they would be prescribing for depression and the doses they use for anesthetics after an accident wouldn't be enough to worry about bladder problems.

In all seriousness it is a valid article and i'm sure that their is a place for it in medicine . It's just the potential side effects prevent it from being marketed . If something could be tweaked in the make up to eradicate them then it could be a wonder drug .
 
Methoxetamine is hands down a MUCH better & longer lasting anti-depressant than ketamine IMO.

Not the case for me and many of my friends who found it to cause depression (almost like a comedown) after.

In all seriousness it is a valid article and i'm sure that their is a place for it in medicine . It's just the potential side effects prevent it from being marketed . If something could be tweaked in the make up to eradicate them then it could be a wonder drug .

I don't really see there being any problem with side effects from a single dose once every week or two brimz. It takes a fair bit of binging (regularly) to even get the hot feeling piss, I've only ever had a moderate dose of the cramps but it took a week of stupid dosing to bring them on.

I think most of the analogues they've come up with so far (bar methoxetamine) are thought to be worse on the bladder (2-MeO etc), not to mention less tested. Ketamine we know a conciderable amount about what the likely outcome is.
 
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