Kanna "flips"

[growit&smokeit]

I had forgot about Kanna I used to do a fair amount around 2004-2009. I had the raw powder no fancy extracts, I mainly just snorted it which was extremely grim. The effects were fairly inconsistent but occasionally it used to catch you out and it was a lot stronger than you expected. I can remember once being at a gig where I combined it with weed, which I have used pretty much every day for years, and was totally flying, its a long time ago but I'm pretty sure I got some visuals from it and I was really euphoric. I gave up using it because it was inconsistent and it just felt a bit off to me. It used to occasionally make me feel short tempered and anxious. I believe this might have been because it is a mild SRI

Although it is grim it always seems better just necking the raw ingredients and letting your body doing the extracting for you as it does it way better. For instance I find kratom is much stronger this way than trying to extract it into alcohol or water then discarding the powder. I make it into a tea and then drink the powder along with the water and always have pretty consistent results. Although a bit like Kanna, occasionally (especially with green strains) it will hit me very hard and make me have very intense closed eye visuals which can't be reproduced with the same material and the same dose.

One of my favourite combos was blue lotus and mushrooms. It pushed the trip in a really positive, warm direction. Unfortunately because of our stupid psychoactive law in the UK sites don't sell it anymore and I can't be arsed ordering it from abroad.

 

[Esperighanto]

I had forgot about Kanna I used to do a fair amount around 2004-2009. I had the raw powder no fancy extracts, I mainly just snorted it which was extremely grim. The effects were fairly inconsistent but occasionally it used to catch you out and it was a lot stronger than you expected. I can remember once being at a gig where I combined it with weed, which I have used pretty much every day for years, and was totally flying, its a long time ago but I'm pretty sure I got some visuals from it and I was really euphoric. I gave up using it because it was inconsistent and it just felt a bit off to me. It used to occasionally make me feel short tempered and anxious. I believe this might have been because it is a mild SRI

Although it is grim it always seems better just necking the raw ingredients and letting your body doing the extracting for you as it does it way better. For instance I find kratom is much stronger this way than trying to extract it into alcohol or water then discarding the powder. I make it into a tea and then drink the powder along with the water and always have pretty consistent results. Although a bit like Kanna, occasionally (especially with green strains) it will hit me very hard and make me have very intense closed eye visuals which can't be reproduced with the same material and the same dose.

One of my favourite combos was blue lotus and mushrooms. It pushed the trip in a really positive, warm direction. Unfortunately because of our stupid psychoactive law in the UK sites don't sell it anymore and I can't be arsed ordering it from abroad.

Lotus and mushrooms is a truly beautiful and slept on combo, it's funny to hear somebody else mention it. A tea I once brewed of cubensis, blue and pink lotus, Banisteriopsis caapi, and a pinch or so of tetrahydroharmine (I think it weighed out to 30mg) was one of the smoothest, most aesthetically beautiful trips of my ethnobotanical phase. Nowadays I mostly use synthetic psychedelics and dissociatives.

Kanna varies a lot bc there are different active compounds in it, 4 iirc, and they all act differently and until we can separate and analyze each one scientifically it'll continue to be a little bit of a crapshoot. I hope more science comes out surrounding it, as well as amanitas, lotus, and really I think they semisynthetic results will be the true gems. The human intentions created in the image of nature, if that makes sense.

2C-B is arguably two steps modified from mescaline, and it's a chemical that's permanently changed my life for the better. One methoxy group was moved a single position, and another was replaced with a bromine. Perhaps alterations upon mesembrenone could lead to something like gaboxadol is to muscimol, LSD is to LSA, 7-OH-Mitragynine is to mitragynine, THC-H is to THC, etc.

 

[cds1969]

I find Kanna actually to be quite a fascinating plant, and I'm surprised I don't see it being discussed here more often because it does have strong psychoactive effects. So thank you for bringing the topic up.

Sadly, I don't have much to contribute as far as Kanna Combos go. This is mainly because I've had concerns about the SRI properties of mesembrine, kanna's principle alkaloid. I was worried that in conjunction with serotonin releasing compounds or even compounds that interact with 5HT2a, that it could cause serotonin syndrome.

I had been given 3 capsules of 100mg of kanna extract. The material inside the capsules was snow white but I have no idea of their potency. What my boss did tell me, was that I would get stronger effects the more I took it. So i took the first capsule and wasn't disappointed when effects were not felt. The next day, I took another capsule and still felt no effect. So I wrote it off as being inactive. A few days later however, I was getting ready for work and I took a few gummies of cordyceps extract that I had made and was substituting for coffee. I see the 3rd kanna capsule and think "well it's not going to do anything to me" and I swallow it. I run out the door. On my morning commute in the middle of heavy traffic, I start rolling balls. I felt euphoric, increased tactile intensity, and maybe a lightheadedness. I get to work and my two coworkers immediately notice that I'm fucked up. One of the coworkers I'd been having a bit of a fling with and we sneak into a more hidden area and have a very intense makeout session that I still think about to this day. 2 hours later, all psychoactive effects were gone.

Kanna is wild though. I hear theres even Kanna vapes out there...

Kanna is awesome

 

[Bucephalus23]

I agree that Kanna is not discussed enough (to sort of return to the original sentiment of the discussion). However, I think this is due to the combination of the reverse tolerance, as well as that the actual affects are much milder than what the marketing would lead you to believe.

As far as "flips" go, Kanna with a rectal ROA taken with Amphetamine (only like 5-10mg) before a task such as cleaning or some other project; Tends to slightly increase my enjoyment of the task. I do want to say the effects are definitely still very, very mild.

 

[Esperighanto]

I agree that Kanna is not discussed enough (to sort of return to the original sentiment of the discussion). However, I think this is due to the combination of the reverse tolerance, as well as that the actual affects are much milder than what the marketing would lead you to believe.

As far as "flips" go, Kanna with a rectal ROA taken with Amphetamine (only like 5-10mg) before a task such as cleaning or some other project; Tends to slightly increase my enjoyment of the task. I do want to say the effects are definitely still very, very mild.

I personally experienced very high volatility merchant to merchant but once I found a convenient one, 100-400x extracts went to mild stimulant to 3.5/5 interesting empathogen, with MDA at 5/5, MDMA being at 4/5, and 6-APB being like a 2..5/5.

Edit: I wrote convenient but shouldn't written consistent, my apologies, surgical recovery rn has my dumb ass typing like I'm illiterate or something.

 

[chris_p]

Im taking some MDMA soon next week I'm gonna buy some kanna extract and take it with then report back here. It's really easy to get kanna in my country since its where it grows naturally (Cape Town) I even have some of the succulents in my backyard. Might try preparing it myself

Should I prime before doing the combo?

 

[Bucephalus23]

Im taking some MDMA soon next week I'm gonna buy some kanna extract and take it with then report back here. It's really easy to get kanna in my country since its where it grows naturally (Cape Town) I even have some of the succulents in my backyard. Might try preparing it myself

Should I prime before doing the combo?

I would caution/discourage using Kanna with MDMA. It is definitely a Serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. This greatly increases the chances of negative side effects or possible serotonin syndrome depending on doses.

Priming would definitely be recommended in my mind for (2) reasons:

1. You get to feel and understand the chemical on its own
2. You will get better affects than would otherwise occur.

 

[Esperighanto]

Im taking some MDMA soon next week I'm gonna buy some kanna extract and take it with then report back here. It's really easy to get kanna in my country since its where it grows naturally (Cape Town) I even have some of the succulents in my backyard. Might try preparing it myself

Should I prime before doing the combo?

Kanna's an SSRI, please test this Shulgin-level careful, I'm talking 2-4 week intervals between doses that start at maybe 25mg of MD(M)A + 100mg orally of a well standardized kanna extract you've had phytochemically analyzed (batches vary GREATLY), as kanna contains 4 very different and unique psychoactives iirc. Valuable info, risky to gather, please be safe and keep "mission abort" options and notes and data points (BP, pulse, etc) could be recorded too if you're so inclined, and keep a

 

[chris_p]

Kanna's an SSRI, please test this Shulgin-level careful, I'm talking 2-4 week intervals between doses that start at maybe 25mg of MD(M)A + 100mg orally of a well standardized kanna extract you've had phytochemically analyzed (batches vary GREATLY), as kanna contains 4 very different and unique psychoactives iirc. Valuable info, risky to gather, please be safe and keep "mission abort" options and notes and data points (BP, pulse, etc) could be recorded too if you're so inclined, and keep a

I drank a whole bottle of kanna extract adn took 20mg MDMA. Big big mistake. Never again. The euphoria I felt was utterly derangedly unnatural. It felt like every nerve ending from the my head to toe and every single one of my senses and even my own thoughts were pouring massive amounts of serotonin like waterfalls. Like speaking or thinking felt the orgasm you get in your fucking genitals it was so absurd. I may have damaged myself here quite bad I won't touch the shit for any more years. I've seen too much shit on a drug thats not a fucking psychedelic

 

[Bucephalus23]

I drank a whole bottle of kanna extract adn took 20mg MDMA. Big big mistake. Never again. The euphoria I felt was utterly derangedly unnatural. It felt like every nerve ending from the my head to toe and every single one of my senses and even my own thoughts were pouring massive amounts of serotonin like waterfalls. Like speaking or thinking felt the orgasm you get in your fucking genitals it was so absurd. I may have damaged myself here quite bad I won't touch the shit for any more years. I've seen too much shit on a drug thats not a fucking psychedelic

I am sorry to hear it was a bad time. Thank you for sharing your experience though, it may help others avoid such a negative outcome.

 

[chris_p]

I am sorry to hear it was a bad time. Thank you for sharing your experience though, it may help others avoid such a negative outcome.

I'd more describe it as 'too much fun'. I was really delirious and had basically zero short term memory and sound felt super fucking weird like it was penetrating and merging into my brain. I really can't describe it. I still feel fucked but I think I'll recover fine. Sceletium felt like it potentiated the mdma significantly almost dangerously, would only recommend with a much smaller dose than mine, it was extremely enjoyable but it was far too much and started getting really strange and psychedelic near the end. It could possibly be useful for turning a small dose into a much higher one, but I would advise caution, I have a lot of experience with strong drugs so I was able to take it pretty well but i can easily imagine how most people would just utterly lose their shit