K2 Side effects, story and question

[k2isthedevil]

Hey, I'm new here! Making my first post, and boy is it a doozy.

So, I was put on probation 3 years ago and decided I loved weed too much to stop getting high. Unfortunately I turned to SNIP. Well, it seemed fine at first, the high was such a relief and I liked to smoke out of a pipe. It didnt really become a huge issue until the ban occured. I guess what happened is that the SNIP makers switched from the more weed like chems like JWH 018 and 250, etc, to things you definitely shouldnt use. As more bans occured, the highs got more and more screwed up, and more unwanted side effects appeared. The high went from being a chill, weed like high to more of a amped up and paranoid high. The bans kept happening, and I didnt get the hint, this stuff is probably bad news. Moving along... I went back to my hometown for christmas break, and for 2 weeks couldnt find the stuff anywhere so I detoxed. After coming back into town, I went right back to the head shop and got some more. It was the same blend i had been smoking 2 weeks prior, but this time, i had been clean long enough to lose a tolerance. i took one hit and realized, holy shit, this is just like meth!! NO MORE! The sad thing is that i live with my brother, and he did not stop. I started to see what it was doing to him, and tried everything from breaking all the pipes in the house, waking him up in the middle of the night to make sure he wasnt smoking it, and tons of other things, that looking back... WERE NOT HELPFUL TO HIM AT ALL! He needs to come to his own realization. I am not positive that he isnt smoking it anymore, but i dont want to confront him as it might drive him deeper into the addiction and cause him to hide it even more. At least if he isnt hiding it, it would be safer, as I could go get help as soon as possible should he need it. After 2 weeks of being back, I woke up in the middle of the night with intense shakes and had to go to the hospital for a panic attack, the worst Ive ever had in my life. They gave me Ativan which calmed me down and sent me home. Well, it had been a month off the stuff and i started getting this strange itchy feeling. Like bugs were crawling all over me. i thought it was fleas... literally moved everything in the apartment to the kitchen, vacuumed 10 times, flea bombed, flea powdered, flea sprayed, and vacuumed some more. It didnt go away. My brother had ZERO symptoms (possibly because he was still using?), or at least did not make it known out of paranoia or his generally secretive or perhaps just out of laziness. i thought, well, okay, maybe its bed bugs and they are only bothering me. i bought a new mattress, sheets, and washed every stitch of clothing at a laundromat. Current cost of all this stuff: Over 400 bucks. The problem persisted. Went to the hospital because i thought a bug was in my ear. they didnt see anything. i went to urgent care. Doctor says: "Well, its not fleas, its not scabies, its not bed bugs.... i think you have 'contact dermatitis'. i was given a prescription antihistamine. i was like, thanks a lot, but i know its freaking bugs! I can feel them crawling all over me! Not wanting to take a licensed medical practitioners word for it, i fleabombed the house AGAIN and nothing changed. i bought lice shampoo, and while the mentholy scrub gave some relief, the problem persisted. WHAT THE LITERAL EFF, i thought. This is insane. So, i went today to a different urgent care clinic... and this is what the doctor said.
"Well, you dont have bugs. Its certain that you dont have bugs on you. There arent any, at all, nowhere. Can I ask you a personal question?"
me: Sure....
Doc: "Do you use methamphetamine?"
me: No way...
Doc: *with knowing look on his face* "The reason i ask is because people who use meth complain of the same things youre complaining of."
me: Okay... (ive only ever used meth once in my life, many many years ago, and while i remember the high, it was not enjoyable for me)

Then, it hits me. Remember when i came back from break, and smoked SNIP again? "Omg, this is just like meth!" Yeah. The bugs he felt/feels crawling on his body are not bugs at all. They are imaginary, a delusion. They dont exist. i had to spend over 500 bucks on home cleaning supplies, over the counter drugs, and like 5 doctors visits before i realized, "OMG, I'm losing my damn mind!"

So now... my question. Do these "bugs" ever go away for meth users? I know its only been a month, and i should probably give it time... but i couldnt find anything on google regarding whether or not they go away. my brother is now having the "bugs" and i am trying to convince him that they arent real. Is there a good way to do this? Do meth users see the bugs flying around, or do they just see them on the body? i know they arent there, but im concerned this might be a permanent thing, and its scaring the crap out of me that this might be forever. i have totally changed my life, and since being off the stuff i am much much MUCH happier. While on K2, i was diagnosed with general anxiety disorder a year ago, but now have no problems of anxiety OR depression. He left Walmart smiling the other day, which i dont even know how thats possible! :D i have made a change for the better and will never touch this stuff again... but when im off probation, im concerned that smoking weed might bring back these problems. Is there any validity to these fears, or is weed pretty much just a safe drug? Another part to that question would be, if you had used meth for a 2 years, and then you smoke weed after a year or so of being clean from meth, would that screw you up? Or are the two completely unrelated?

Please help me out... i want to fix my life. And stay the HELL AWAY FROM K2!! IT IS BAD NEWS! Worst idea, ever! You have no idea what they are putting in the stuff! A year ago i definitely would have looked at a post like this and said "This guy is a pussy" but seriously, the stuff makes you feel "fine" while youre on it... only after youre off it and come back do you realize how screwy it is! STAY AWAY! K2 IS THE DEVIL IN SMOKABLE FORM!!!

Thank you for the help, and please try to answer as many questions as you can, i appreciate it!

Comments like "The bugs are real" will be shat on with monkey poop.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Welcome to Bluelight... please edit the "swim" out of your post and make it more easily readable. We don't use that swim shit here or anything like it.

Read the BLUA in my signature before you continue to post here, please.

Thanks.

 

[pasha]

Delusional parasitosis induced by withdrawal generally reverses in time. The only method to treat it immedietely is to use antipsychotics which is unwarranted in your situation because as mentioned, it will disappear in time.

 

[SliK_]

I knew a guy that used weed to cope with, and eventually beat, his meth addiction.
However, I don't think K2 contained anything remotely similar to methamphetamine so I'm not sure that answer will even help you.
However, I believe if you return to real Cannabis it will not make your condition worse.

 

[k2isthedevil]

I knew a guy that used weed to cope with, and eventually beat, his meth addiction.
However, I don't think K2 contained anything remotely similar to methamphetamine so I'm not sure that answer will even help you.
However, I believe if you return to real Cannabis it will not make your condition worse.

I appreciate your reply. Having known a lot of meth addicts in my day, (many of my pothead buddies turned to meth, i was cool with doing pretty much everything aside from heroin and meth, i only tried meth one time and found it quite unpleasant) I can tell you that, looking back, the "high" from this stuff, while not similar to meth at first with the JWH 018 and 250, eventually became more like it. I can only guess that this is because they couldnt add chems to it anymore and started adding things like toluene and other nasty stuff that gave a buzz. The buzz was not pleasant but I was addicted to getting high. The withdrawls i had are thankfully over now for the most part aside from some pretty nasty headaches (probably from brain damage, but will heal according to a SLU university (redundant) doctor who is researching this subject).
ive ordered some SNIP which apparently should help with the after effects of smoking this crap. I'll update this post when and if i feel any positive/negative results from this.
Looking into the delusional parasites thing, i came upon a website which says that they might be caused by toluene put into meth, but this is speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt. however apparently the bugs came about after 3 days of non use.. whereas mine came about after a month. Ive decided not to think about it anymore because i dont want to deal with that ever again. It was an absolute nightmare and caused me a great deal of grief trying to fix the problem.
Its good to know that weed does not contraindicate with the meth to your knowledge, and im happy for your friend, ive lost a good number of friends to meth and its not pretty to see what it does to people.
TL;DR The bugs went away after a week and a half of putting up with them. It helped going to a doctor and having him tell me that there are, in fact, no bugs on me. I have general anxiety disorder, and probably didnt help that i often get psychosomatic symptoms, but they were a real issue, and the only thing I can base this on is K2 use as i have been completely drug and alcohol free for 3 years aside from the K2 use. K2 in this post is referring to what is called generation 3 herbal incense... meaning its the 3rd generation of k2 products. they banned k2, so they made k3, and now theyre on "k4". Not the brand name, just using it as an example. Stay away from any of this shit though, its not worth this bullcrap. I love weed, and will happily wait until im off the po'po' radar to smoke again.

 

[Dr. Rabid]

Stay away from all legal 'weed substitutes' from now on, and I would actually suggest staying away from all drugs for a couple months to let yourself get back to normal (whatever your normal is [TM]) and just sober up for a while.

 

[nekointheclouds]

sounds like psychosis cause by too much of the dirty synth cannabinoids they put in all the blends. You should Read over our rules here in Cannabis Discussion, there is a link in my sig., we do not allow discussion of brand names on synthetic cannabinoids. The brand names mean nothing, there is no regulation of what companies put into these spice blends, and when one chemical gets banned, they just reach for a diff one. Each bag can have different levels of strength because the chemicals they spray on the herbs dont get spread evenly.

Synthetic Cannabinoids can cause WAY WORSE anxiety and panic then reg weed. I have no anxiety issues, but smoking spice would get me paranoid and anxious as fuck. Spice blends have been widely known for causing psychosis because it is so strong, and can at times seem stimulating. Stay away from them!

Also this really belongs is the Synth Cannabinoid mega thread. Prolly gonna merge this with it shortly.

 

[k2isthedevil]

fixed my post, and referred to it as 3rd generation k2. assuming k2 is the "general term" for spice products in doing this, as the media takes the same approach.