K2 Headaches recovery, cluster headaches treatment

[Bedstuydalrich729]

SO basically I'm one of the many people who developed chronic headaches after smoking K2. I want to
know what kinds of recovery methods people use? and Specifically, what people think about treating cluster headaches with shrooms or LSD? here is my story:

Alright so about 7 months ago I smoked a strain of K2 called "Diablo". All I know about its contents is that it has K2, wormwood, and whatever else they end up putting in it.

The trip was like a salvia trip. I thought I was dying, my brain felt like it was on fire, and everything else that comes with the terrifying unfortunate bad K2 trips we've all heard about.

About a week after the trip I developed a headache and it hasn't really gone away since. Its just been like a dimming light switch that never turns off. Its been accompanied with depersonalization, increased depression and anxiety, and other degeneration in cognitive functions.

However, its gotten a lot better in the last two months. Ive started meditating and exercising regularly. I cut down on my cigarette smoking, pot smoking, and drinking. While I feel like Im only half way back to where I use to be I feel like I am on my way.

So, my headache symptoms are like cluster headaches-concentrated pain in the right side of my brain. I've heard that taking low doses of shrooms and LSD really help cluster headaches. I know I should continue to cut down my drug use in general but I'm interested in trying to trip on shrooms in two weeks to see if it'll help my headaches.

Do you think it will help my headaches?
Has anyone treated their headaches with shrooms?
Has anyone stricken with headaches from synthetic cannabanoids had any problems with LSD or Shrooms after the trip?

thanks

 

[OTGee]

Well I believe that treating cluster headaches with lsd or magic mushrooms is using threshold doses or very very low doses. Just incase you were planning on a full blown trip. If its gotten better thats great news, it seems that you only have to worry if it doesnt get better / gets progessivley worse. I still wouldn't not reccomend tripping, I couldn't imagine it making your cluster headaches worse and if you want to do it and are pre-pared go ahead. Keep exercising and being healthy, your on the right track already, just be patient.

 

[Folley]

All I know about its contents is that it has K2, wormwood, and whatever else they end up putting in it.

K2 is not a drug... its a brand. If its giving you a head ache dont smoke it lol... shrooms could work, but your treating the symptom, not the problem.

This would be better off in the Synth. cannabinoid thread though

 

[OTGee]

K2 is not a drug... its a brand. If its giving you a head ache dont smoke it lol... shrooms could work, but your treating the symptom, not the problem.

This would be better off in the Synth. cannabinoid thread though

He hasn't smoked any since then, thats the gravity of the problem with synthetics. He had a bad experiance once and he has now been effected for multiple months with no end in short term site.
No one replies in that bloody mega thread apart from people just adding in their 2 cents to synthetics so if it is a specific problem like this It should have its own thread imho.
I mean, most people are smoking synthetic cannabinoids anyway now a days, to the point were it could become some kind of epidemic. I dont think there should just be two threads on it.

 

[Jibult]

No one replies in that bloody mega thread apart from people just adding in their 2 cents to synthetics so if it is a specific problem like this It should have its own thread imho.
I mean, most people are smoking synthetic cannabinoids anyway now a days, to the point were it could become some kind of epidemic. I dont think there should just be two threads on it.

No one replies because nobody has definitive answers to the questions you and others like you are asking. Thus is the danger with research chemicals and volunteering yourself to be an unsanctioned guinea pig in testing them, and, honestly, I don't sympathize with anybody who experiences an adverse reaction after using these dangerous legal highs. It's like playing russian roulette with your health-- no one's forcing you to put that gun to your head and pull the trigger, but any rewards and/or consequences you reap as a result are entirely your own.


I'm sure when an answer is available you all will be provided one, but until then the best place for someone to find these kinds of questions is in the mega thread that lumps them all together.

 

[OTGee]

People have theories, methods of making the negative symptoms more bareable and can just offer support. Thats basically all we can do for opiates and most other drugs. Taking drugs overall is russian roulette, you think any of the coke, mdma or stims youve bought on the street has actually been anywere near 50% purity? It was probably filled with by product and/or research chemicals, even if your best friend sold it to you. Im just saying that you got just about as much chance of anything negative happening from a research chemical as you do from street drugs, unless you have a good source but that is hard to come by.

Im just trying to help anyone out with this stuff, sure maybe it wasn't the best choice to buy that first gram but nor was it a good choice to have that first draw on a joint, first drink or first line. No matter how stupid taking drugs especially research chemicals/legal highs is, people are still going to do it. People are idiots, including you and me and the OP. People rationalize stupidley and in the end dont think about consequences, thats just humans. I mean can you not see the huge huge huge appeal of these cannabinoids? The grams of pure powder especially if bought from unnofical vendors can be insanley cheap (To a point of disbelief). This is by far the cheapest, most potent drug easily available atm. As you said with no long term health effects known and some people claim it has the same addictive properties as crack or other such very serious drugs. Also its sold as fake weed and shit, so its going to be bringing in people who are 'soft' drug users.

Im sorry for this OT post but, would you sympathise with someone would had been blasting crack rocks for months just because it is a widely used drug? The crack users going to get a lot more negative side effects probably but, as you said you never know. I just thought that harm reduction involves a little bit of sympathy and it doesn't really matter if the person was huffing glue or smoking a single joint a day, the substance shouldn't matter its the situation that your trying to fix. I didn't mean this to be any kind of argument or anything, I just think that people deserve support no matter how stupid there decisions are. I know ive made some stupid decissions in the past.

 

[Jibult]

People have theories, methods of making the negative symptoms more bareable and can just offer support. Thats basically all we can do for opiates and most other drugs[1a]. Taking drugs overall is russian roulette, you think any of the coke, mdma or stims youve bought on the street has actually been anywere near 50% purity? It was probably filled with by product and/or research chemicals, even if your best friend sold it to you[2a]. Im just saying that you got just about as much chance of anything negative happening from a research chemical as you do from street drugs, unless you have a good source but that is hard to come by.

1a. The reasons you just stated are exactly why it's more helpful to consolidate all of the inevitable questions into one easy-to-find thread. If you want to pollute the rest of CD with synth questions that've been asked countless times before then I beg you to petition the administrators for your very own forum and leave the clutter out of my favorite one.

2a. I've never bought coke or any other kind of stimulant, and every time I've come across a bean that I want I make damn sure that there's a test kit nearby. No test kit and I don't buy a damn thing, and you might do well to remember that before assuming everybody who posts in CD is a mindless addict who can't help but indulge in every psychoactive substance put in front of him or her.

Im just trying to help anyone out with this stuff, sure maybe it wasn't the best choice to buy that first gram but nor was it a good choice to have that first draw on a joint, first drink or first line. No matter how stupid taking drugs especially research chemicals/legal highs is, people are still going to do it. People are idiots, including you and me and the OP. People rationalize stupidley and in the end dont think about consequences, thats just humans[1b]. I mean can you not see the huge huge huge appeal of these cannabinoids[2b]? The grams of pure powder especially if bought from unnofical vendors can be insanley cheap (To a point of disbelief). This is by far the cheapest, most potent drug easily available atm. As you said with no long term health effects known and some people claim it has the same addictive properties as crack or other such very serious drugs. Also its sold as fake weed and shit, so its going to be bringing in people who are 'soft' drug users.[3b]

1b. People do rationalize stupidly, and I'm a fan of letting that stupidity fix itself and not rely on others to tell them when it's being itself or actually coming to a truly reasonable conclusion. Also, I'd like to recommend that you speak for yourself and yourself only. This is the second time you've made an assumption about me that holds no truth. While I and everybody I consider a friend on BL have made stupid decisions in the past, I don't consider any of them stupid people who ignore the consequences of their actions. Most of us are fully aware of and take complete responsibility for any negative consequences of our actions if and when they do occur.

2b. Sure, the appeal is that it's legal, and the drawback is that it could have fucking cyanide in it and you wouldn't know until you smoked that shit.

3b. By far the cheapest? In terms of what, money? It saddens me that you put more value in your pocket than in your health, but that's your prerogative. (The keyword there is "your," as in, if you smoke crack and overdose it's your fucking fault, not the thug on the sidewalk that served you.)

Im sorry for this OT post but, would you sympathise with someone would had been blasting crack rocks for months just because it is a widely used drug[1c]? The crack users going to get a lot more negative side effects probably but, as you said you never know[2c]. I just thought that harm reduction involves a little bit of sympathy and it doesn't really matter if the person was huffing glue or smoking a single joint a day, the substance shouldn't matter its the situation that your trying to fix[3c]. I didn't mean this to be any kind of argument or anything, I just think that people deserve support no matter how stupid there decisions are[4c]. I know ive made some stupid decissions in the past.

1c. Absolutely not, I would sympathize because the friends of mine turned crackheads tend to be down-and-out folks who have failed miserably at nearly everything important to them that they set their sights on in life, but when it came to getting high-- well, they performed quite admirably and they wanted to stick with what they were good at.

2c. If you never know then why even try to make a claim? You're right: you, the rest of the world and I DON'T know, but if I were to put a wager on it I'd say these hastily thrown together synth's are just as damaging to the body as crack. I mean, we've got reports of people suffering from these long-term headaches after a single use of these legal highs. I've never heard of anything like that happening with any of these other drugs that you're pulling out of your ass and setting up as straw men for me to kick in the dick.

3c. Pity is not necessary to reduce harm. I reduce harm because I like to see people use drugs responsibly-- when used irresponsibly I feel no remorse, no shame, no pity, no sympathy for a person who made a conscientious choice to ingest something that is so shockingly unknown to us all. It's not like us folks on BL just haven't bothered researching-- the information just isn't out there. Yeah, you might get another person who says they've experienced the same thing as you, but would you really want to trust a prognosis from a random online username? Personally, I'd go see a doctor and try to get that shit worked out ASAP. Conversing online with people just as likely to sarcastically respond to you as they are to actually help is not a solid way of fixing a health-related problem. You might find some comfort in the fact that there are others out there like you, but that comfort probably ends when you discover that months later those people are still afflicted by these headaches and when they do finally get rid of them there's no rhyme or reason for it-- it just kind of happens (or stops happening, whatever).

4c. You're absolutely right. In this case, though, (and in light of how little is known about these RCs) the only responsible support we can give to people like yourself is not to use these synths. Until more is known about them, I consider it a use-at-your-own-risk kind of thing and get genuinely tired of seeing non-cannabis-related topics popping up all over CD. That irritation fades completely when it's just 1 mega-thread that I have to ignore, though.

 

[hx_]

The mega thread kinda keeps the horrible side effects hidden away though, and merging everyone's problems into one huge difficult to follow thread doesn't always help.

 

[Jibult]

That thread could easily be navigable if chainer had some help in maintaining it. Fill out a mod application and you can make this a reality, complete with sub-menus and links to specific posts detailing specific issues.

Besides, I'm nearly 100% (like 98.74% ) sure this'll get merged in there anyways. There's just no point in having a bunch of similar threads popping up all over CD filled with the same speculation and the same absence of actual information.

 

[hx_]

Maybe just two threads. One for normal use, one for withdrawing and huge problems?

 

[Jibult]

I like the way you think.

 

[ihatepipes]

I can't believe all these RC's (I know we are talking about synth. cannabinoids but i'm also talking about bath salts) that are coming out lately and the large amount of people willing to use them (I thank the fucking powers that be that this shit was not available when I was younger because I would have made the same stupid mistake). I have been to my local headshop 3 times in the past month and *I bullshit you not* for the 15 minutes that I was in there each time to pick out glass (yes I counted) 5 people came in and bought grams of "incense" the first time, 6 the second time, and 4 the third time. The sad part about it: all of the purchasers were in their late teens. I never thought I would say that the U.S. government should criminalize drugs, but they really need to do something about these products being sold with a nod and a wink because I feel that people are going to be really sorry they put these chemicals in their system in the very near future and it appears that many already are.

 

[OTGee]

I am truley sorry, re-reading my post I seem like a complete dick. I am in no way for research chemicals or synthetic cannabinoids, I myself will hopefully never use them again after I am done tapering. I just couldn't afford real grass anymore so I started with synthetics, then I got unemployed and my fiancee got a job so I was left alone when I wasn't out looking for a new job. Now its completely my own fault but out of boredom and some minor troubles in my life I started relying mentally like fuck on synthetics. This then made my use turn into a bong every 40 mins while I was just sitting alone and as often as possible when I was with people or doing something. I would take the baggie of it with me when I went out to find work and roll a joint in a park if I wanted to take a break. I didn't even notice I was doing this as I was still smoking real cannabis whenever I could afford it and like others, had bought the one bulk purchase because of the cheapness (I wasn't stating that being cheap was positive, thats the biggest danger in my eyes. I mean your going to spending like an 1/8th of a heroin addiction even when your getting high all day everyday.) This continued bla bla and then one day it hit my and my fiancee. I had been worrying about a lot of shit to do with me and her, have finnanical trouble cuse I cant find another job and was already a paranoid / anxious guy. But yeah, it hit us. That I had been smoking that shit like mad for a long long time. To a point were I couldn't remember being sober, ever (I dont think i was). Anyway youve heard the story a thousand times, but yeah. I cut down from using probably 2 - 4 grams of pretty potent stuff a day to 5 or 6 bongs a day with 50/50 tobacco, smoking blend.


It doesn't excuse me literally picking apart your post and complaining about it, I mean I just felt sorry for the guy as I can understand what it is like to go through with this and I was really anxious / angry as I hand't smoked any that day so I got really pissed off over the fact you said you didn't sympathise with him. Seriously dude, I wish I had not been so stupid as to ever buy this stuff. I knew there were very negative effects if used frequently but I did anyway for an unknown reason.

Again, I have no idea why I sat and picked your post apart and complained about it. All my assuming and just general arrogance that I can see in that post is so unlike me. Sorry I wasted your time as you put a lot of thought into your reply back to me haha I hope that you can understand why I am little on edge and quick to anger these past few days.


Anwyay, to make this post not compeltely irrelevant to anything. I think the best option would be to make a sub-forum in CD for cannabinoids. Using the mega and k2 ruined my life is just making it hard to look at it on a bigger scale. If there was a forum with like 10 threads all with names suggesting negative effects, people would be less likely to use instead of glancing over a thread with 100's of long replies. Also, interesting cannabis discussions are getting pushed to the next page witch is a shame as when I was just a lurker here the CD thread seemed to be a lot more lively. I have applied for the mod position and this is definatley something I or whoever gets it should look at and speak to someone about as tbh, the highs are a lot different anyway.

ihatepipes, I completely agree with you. I have never ever wanted a drug to be made illegal even with the dangerous stuff that was damaging people. This stuff has to go though, I have spoken to my ex-drug councillor and she had no info on these at all. She is in contact with harm reduction organistations across Scotland so hopefully I can make some kind of difference over here. I might even be one of those dicks that comes into school to talk to you about the "dangers of synthetic cannabinoids"

Sorry again JiBult, looking back over the thread I acted like a fucking troll and was just venting my pre existing rage.

 

[Jibult]

Don't even worry about it. I didn't take it as you trolling me or trying to be a dick, I honestly just saw it as a young person's slightly misguided views that might benefit from a little correcting.

 

[Bedstuydalrich729]

Thanks for all of your replies.

Just wanted to clarify that this was only the second time in my life that I ever smoked this stuff. I think that speaks to how dangerous this stuff is. Like I said earlier the strand I smoked, "Diablo", is comprable to salvia in its effects and strength. THe guy I was smoking with didnt inform me, only told me to take a small hit, and I ended up going on the craziest most horrific trip in my life.

Now, the discussion above is very interesting and I'm wondering how OTGee and any other people are dealing with their recovery.

ANyone should feel free to post about their progress as they taper down, or have since stopped using K2 all together. I'd really like to hear from people because I know how scary and helpless it can seem.

I havent decided if I'm gonna trip yet to treat my headaches. IF i do I will take the advice and ingest a very low dose so I'll stay below my threshold.

I'm also interested in how you guys feel about America's system for drug regulation, specifically in reference to the Controlled Substance Act - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

Thanks again and I will continue to post about my own recovery from the headaches, fogginess, and general depersonalization that I have experienced.

 

[Folley]

As it was stated before, dont take a full on trip to cure your headaches, that would probably make it worse. If nothing else, you'll have a cluster headache, and be tripping.

Take like .2 of mushrooms, a small bite really. Dont use acid, its a lot less reliable, as you could get DOx or something.


A good place to talk about Americas drug policy is the Drugs in the Media forum