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K lotion?

ryand123

ryand123

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I have aquired a partially used bottle of Ketamine 10%, bupvicaine 1%, gabapentin, cyclobenzeprine, and ketoprofen (all about 1-3% ). It's a 180g bottle (not in fluid oz, weird right?). It is for transdermal use for muscle tightness. Is there any way that this ROA could provide psychoactive K effects? And is it possible to ingest orally? The bottle has no list of inactives btw. Thanks guys!
 
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The bioavailability with transdermal application is probably limited and the kinetics unfavorable (it would take too long to absorb I think).

No you should not ingest it orally, the bupivicaine is not safe - like lidocaine it is only used locally because it can be bad for the heart for (I think) the same reasons cocaine is. And bupivicaine is apparently even worse than lidocaine.

As far as I would personally be willing to go is rubbing a good bit of it over your body to see if it chills you out physically, but I would not hope for central effects.
 
Yeah I thought that the bupivicaine would be the one to fuck me over... Ok, so would there be any serious danger in putting a lot on? I wouldn't assume so as K has a pretty safe profile, but I thought I would ask. Also, would applying to neck and spine help more than applying to legs, arms, ect? And lastly, the lotion is very uniform except that there is little clear crystals everywhere in it, could that be the K possibly? And if so, could i extract them and just take that orally (saying it IS K, not asking anyone to confirm it definantly)?
 
I think there are way too many ingredients in there to attempt an extraction and worst case scenario is you extract the bupivicaine along with it and only augment the problem.

Well K does have a safe profile and it is not really the true topic of discussion here. To be honest I am not sure how slowly the absorption would be into your system and if that is a significant difference with oral ingestion, my guess is that you can relatively take significantly more if you apply it to your skin than when you eat it, but the payoff is also proportionately lower. To really be satisfied would probably mean enough ketamine in your blood to give suprathreshold effects... and that can very well mean there is a problematic amount of bupivicaine in your blood as well.

Like I said: just put it on your skin and don't start off with your entire body but maybe just a limb or something. Actually it seems ideal to save this to use it when you feel really sore, then you will be happy you didn't try to abuse it with disappointing and potentially risky results.
 
180g bottle of 10% ket... equals around 18g ket if you can isolate it. people are running extraction teks on mimosa for way less product :)
tho i would not know what tek to use to get ketamine out of a lotion. you could try and let the extracted stuff get lab testet. might be an interesting experiment.
 
Hmm so after some thinking I decided to try it as prescribed. But as soon as I put it on I got to thinking, since the bupivacaine is dangerous when used internally, would sublingual or buccal use possibly be a more efficient and equally safe alternative to transdermal use? Or would this be just about the same as TD?
 
figure out how to isolate it. find something ket is soluable in that the others aren't, adjust ph if need be.
 
I'd do that yes, as long as you have the knowhow and equipment (extraction can be done diy style) also including chromatography gear. Otherwise how are you going to make sure that you didn't extract the bupi along with it? Theorizing? I don't think so. If you had the TLC materials and everything I doubt you would come here to ask how to approach the situation like this.

I appreciate that people are reasoning that you couldn't possibly miss out on some 18 grams of ketamine, but that bupi stuff could seriously hurt you and no ketamine should be worth that. Even if there exist people and equipment that *could* do this.

Find a chemist and put on your bestest smile.
 
I'm sure he could do it pretty simply with water, a few different solvents, something to change the ph both ways, and a fan.

Of course it would take careful research to understand which solvents and ph causes which chemical to be soluable in what, but all this information should be pretty easily accessible on the internet... i would also cross-reference just to be sure..
 
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I have the same cream and I'm wondering the exact same question: How to extract out either the bupivicaine or the Ketamine. My cream is 10% ket and 1% bupi, along with five over medications. Bupivacaine and Ketamine are both members of the amines family and from what I can see they have very similar qualities. I have taken a single pump and rubbed it up inside my nose - actually for medical reasons. My doc assured me the level of bup was too low to cause problems. I have a problem with my trigeminal nerve and there is a spot inside my nose that triggers my pain episodes. Swabbing down that spot with the cream takes away the pain. It's pretty miraculous stuff. But the Bupicaine is seriously problematic. With my setup I get about a gram of cream from each pump, so that means about 10mg of bup and 100mg of ket. Rubbing it around the inside of the nostrils does the trick. Do that, sniffle a few times (spitting out anything that drips down the back) and in about 20 minutes you'll be feeling a modest effect. My problem is there is something else in the compound that tears up my mucous membranes. I called the compounding pharmd and he said to talk to the doc and get a new script for one the doesn't include the Bupiv. When I mentioned this to the doc he said he'd research what's tearing up the mucus membranes and I might get a new script.

I've been on opiates for almost a year for this pain problem and the ketamine is way better for neurogenic pain. Ket actually takes the pain away, whereas opiates only help me cope with being in pain.

I'd like to just swab a 10% ketamine solution inside my nose on my trigger point but I can't ask my doc for pure ket with a straight face. Anyone know how to extract out ketamine from these other drugs? I'm not a chemist but have a science background and have access to the basics like anhydrous ethyl alcohol, drying solvents, HCL, NaOH, centrifuge...

Here's the breakdown:
10% Ketamine HCL
1% Bupivicaine HCL Monohydrate
3% Diclofenac sodium
3% Doxepin HCL
6% Gabapentin
5% Orphenadrine Citrate
3% Pentoxifylline
 
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