JWH-018 to substrate ratios and other questions

[afriendofx]

I know that this should go somewhere, but I'm not sure where, so it's homeless.

I have a friend, hereafter called X in this and all my postings (I don't like swimming...)

X is of a harm reduction mindset, and has been asked about JWH's and spice by friends. X, possibly aided by others, is planning to make some sort of JWH-018 preperation(s), and has several questions about doing so.

First of all, X has always used ISO for hash, and generally any nonpolar extraction. Is there any reason X should not use ISO for JWH-018? X has seen numerous allusions to ethanol or acetone, but due to price and age, ethanol is out of the question, and due to general safety issues, both during the process and with the end products, X does not feel comfortable working with acetone if it's avoidable. ISO should be fine, correct? (X knows, everyone says ethanol is fine if it doesnt evaporate, and then suggests acetone... ironic, much? It will be fully evaporated, this is not a concern...)

Secondly, X is looking for an appropriate ratio of JWH-018 to herbal substrate. In the name of harm reduction, X plans on creating a mixture that is well know, explained, and marked in contents and dosage, and has seen everything from 1g/200g to 1g/10g. What is a general, reasonably potent ratio, for those that occasionally smoke spice, but do not have a large/any tolerance at the time of any given use?

Thirdly, X has been interested in gell caps and/or blotter paper. X can find little definitlve information on oral dosing, and wether or not paper would be worthwhile. What sort of doses are reccomended, and has anyone succesfully used or made blotter? (again, clearly marked, including on individual squares. Seems like a rather attractive option to X, for the ability to mark them)

Last and least, X was considering using a spray bottle as opposed to soaking to help prevent JWH loss, and then mixing the living shit out of the resulting herbal matter, if this method is used, thoughts?

 

[FPU4eva]

tommorow im making a blend using 1g/50g it will be as potent as k2 summit

 

[afriendofx]

bamp.

Anyone? X is trying to get a move on with this project.

Also, any suggestions on X's best choice of SINGLE HERB that's safe to smoke and cheap? IE mint or something. X has heard lavender is a no no, and is just something that's pretty harmless and homogenous.

 

[billy_m100]

Iv seen people use catnip

 

[kickstart]

tommorow im making a blend using 1g/50g it will be as potent as k2 summit

i dont think you will find that

i know it sounds like it would work out like that, but i believe something gets lost somewhere along the line.

ive smoked my fair share of blends. and after making my own i found anywhere from 2-3 per 50g substrate makes a blend that strong.

and i know my chemical is of high purity.

 

[TheAzo]

Few comments here:

If you're interested in harm reduction, why are you using 018?
018 seems to be one of the most anxiogenic of the indol cannabinoids, and also has that naked napthoyl moiety (and hence is likely carcinogenic). If harm reduction is the goal, how about doing 081 (which has a methoxy on the napthylene moiety - napthyl ethers are often used in drugs without problems, while very few drugs have the napthalene moiety due to such compounds often being carcinogenic).

Also, it's almost universally reported that blends of cannbinoids are qualitatively superior to single-cannbinoid blend.

I personally just _BOUGHT_ a blend with 019/081/250/203 (7 wt% of combined active, i didn't press him for the details, but i think it's mostly 250/203, the weaker of the 4), after having written off JWH's in general (having tried most of them on their own and disliked them strongly, or having to smoke unreasonable amounts).

CP-55,940 also produces a better high than JWH's (by far), and isn't carcinogenic. Unfortunately, it's kinda hard to get. I think 2.5 wt% would be about right for it (1 gram for 40g of herbs)

as for herbs, most people use a mix of herbs for a reason - you can get soemthing that's more pleasant to smoke.
Damania works well, as does mullian and raspberry leaf. Again, most people prefer a mix (damania and mullian is pretty good - mullian doesn't have enough flavor, while straight damania has a bit too much).


Acetone is where it's at for solvents. Works beautifully, and it's really not that nasty to handle (if you didn't know, any isopropanol that gets into your body gets metabolized to acetone), just don't drink it and don't play with fire around it and you're fine. Make sure the acetone you get evaporates off a (clean) glass plate without leaving anything behind. Some brands are spiked with denatonium benzoate, which tastes horrible, to prevent people who deserve to get darwin'ed from drinking it.

Oral dosing of JWH-018 is not consistent with harm reduction. It's effects are spectacularly unpredictable, due to inconsistent absoprtion. Same dose, same person, can result in no apparent effects, or paranoid freakout unpleasantness.

 

[ncrassa]

If you're looking for a single herb, I recommend dried basil leaves. Cheap and ubiquitous, right consistency, and the smoke is very gentle on the lungs with no lingering obnoxious odours.

As for solvents, has anyone tried something like hexane or petroleum ether? I would think that they'd dissolve a lot more JWH-x (although acetone clearly does the job) and evaporate much quicker and more completely. Is there any reason not to use them?

I like the argument of the methoxy group protecting against the toxic effects of the naked naphtalene. In terms of harm reduction, it's also notable that 081 is much more selective for CB1 than 018. I always thought any CB2 activity is undesirable because, although I don't exactly know what that would be do, it will be somewhere in my immune system, which is actually working just fine as it is. Then again, THC isn't very selective either and people seem to be doing fine on it.

 

[FPU4eva]

Few comments here:

If you're interested in harm reduction, why are you using 018?
018 seems to be one of the most anxiogenic of the indol cannabinoids, and also has that naked napthoyl moiety (and hence is likely carcinogenic). If harm reduction is the goal, how about doing 081 (which has a methoxy on the napthylene moiety - napthyl ethers are often used in drugs without problems, while very few drugs have the napthalene moiety due to such compounds often being carcinogenic).

Also, it's almost universally reported that blends of cannbinoids are qualitatively superior to single-cannbinoid blend.

I personally just _BOUGHT_ a blend with 019/081/250/203 (7 wt% of combined active, i didn't press him for the details, but i think it's mostly 250/203, the weaker of the 4), after having written off JWH's in general (having tried most of them on their own and disliked them strongly, or having to smoke unreasonable amounts).

CP-55,940 also produces a better high than JWH's (by far), and isn't carcinogenic. Unfortunately, it's kinda hard to get. I think 2.5 wt% would be about right for it (1 gram for 40g of herbs)

as for herbs, most people use a mix of herbs for a reason - you can get soemthing that's more pleasant to smoke.
Damania works well, as does mullian and raspberry leaf. Again, most people prefer a mix (damania and mullian is pretty good - mullian doesn't have enough flavor, while straight damania has a bit too much).


Acetone is where it's at for solvents. Works beautifully, and it's really not that nasty to handle (if you didn't know, any isopropanol that gets into your body gets metabolized to acetone), just don't drink it and don't play with fire around it and you're fine. Make sure the acetone you get evaporates off a (clean) glass plate without leaving anything behind. Some brands are spiked with denatonium benzoate, which tastes horrible, to prevent people who deserve to get darwin'ed from drinking it.

Oral dosing of JWH-018 is not consistent with harm reduction. It's effects are spectacularly unpredictable, due to inconsistent absoprtion. Same dose, same person, can result in no apparent effects, or paranoid freakout unpleasantness.

yeah i got some klean strip acetone which is said be most puirem and i got mullien red rasberry leaf, and others, im in ohio so the laws are legal for 018 per ounce i put in 1.3 grams so its pretty potent people say its the best blend they had and i like blends more then powderit absorbs better i believe