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just stocked up ! (RC combination questions)

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There are many people who love it, but some like Xorkoth have gotten into some trouble with it. Instead of asking me you should read back the thread we have on it, you can find it using the Index in my signature or advanced search function. If your question is not asked there, there are previous iterations of big & dandy aMT threads and also archived ones. Hopefully you will find what Xorkoth experienced exactly or how quickly tolerance built, as well as what a lot of other fans have to say about it. If your question is not answered, post it there.

I'm telling ya, you got the wrong place! ;)
 
I know that I'm new to the forum, but that in no way means I'm inexperienced or ignorant. I've done extensive research into all of the aforementioned compounds, prior to even ordering them. I already know of the associations and interactions involved with the drugs, and I of course plan on experimenting with each subject independently before mixed dosing. I outright said this..
I'm definitely not buying some fun drugs and diving in. -.-
I do understand the importance of repeating the necessary information for new researchers, but I did not mean for my post to be so misconstrued.
I asked about personal experiences with people's favorites combinations of any of the compounds I mentioned. I did not realize that this was equivalent to dropping off a list to get recipes. I just wanted to get a feel for actual experiences, and perhaps find a combination that is unresearched or incredibly insightful. I went through the entire forum before posting anything at all. There are many interactions that aren't documented yet, and I'd just like to get some information about these, seeing as I can't find them anywhere else.
 
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I know what you said, and I also already mentioned that as a disclaimer. I am skeptical to posts in this thread to begin with because of the very nature of the topic which relates to dropping off a list etcetera.

If you put it like that: is there perhaps any combination that is particularly special that could be produced by any of these following compounds well I guess that could get you off to a good start into a certain direction of research/homework. No problem with that.

I already said: my post is directed at anyone visiting this thread to remind them why they should do their own homework. I simply find it troublesome that more and more fucked up research chemicals are released onto the market especially stimulants, and that the general response of people is a welcoming one rather than a skeptical one. Maybe if you (not you here above me, but anyone here) are new-comers to this whole phenomenon it might look normal. And the more normal we find this development to be while still approaching it all casually, the more dangerous it becomes.

So don't take it so personally.

About the compounds you mentioned: MXE is already said to combine fine with 2C-X type compounds but 2C-E and 2C-P are among the most powerful ones and you should dose very low with the MXE and expect a very warped sense of reality, space and time. You list drugs that are very powerful by themselves - well mostly 2C-E, 2C-P, DOC and 5-MeO-DMT and synthetic cannabinoids should be expected to produce a combining effect similar to when cannabis is added but a more one-sided effect of cannabis, though also one that can be very exaggerated and overdose-like if the dosage is not carefully measured.
5-MeO-DMT is incredibly powerful, I myself would do at least like tens of trials with it alone before even combining it with another weak psychedelic let alone powerful ones like you list. I also would avoid synthetic psychedelics because 5-MeO-DMT produces such a peak experience that I would be concerned with fear and anxiety. Not worth investigating unless you're stubborn and you wanna explore new boundaries with the necessary risks involved.
MXE and 5-MeO-DMT, fuck I don't know that would be fucking crazy. I think 5-MeO-DMT is more than enough on it's own although I must say that snorting moderate amounts together with ketamine blew me into a sort of lavalamp space the size of the cosmos that was very special. But remember that snorting 5-MeO-DMT is different from vaporizing it or injecting it. It hurts like hell but it could be worth it. 5-MeO tryptamines can have troubling physical effects so there is a possibility of complications with MXE since MXE is such a pharmacologically complicated deathtrap. I personally wouldn't want to be the first to try it and have to post for the archives that it makes you blow a gasket.

DOC is so long-lasting... that I would take it real real easy with the MXE unless you like to swim in visual soup whilst becoming manic as hell. 5-MeO-DMT and DOC is a no go because of potential cardiovascular issues.
 
From extensive experiences:

(1) A good dose of ket in combination with another pysch is rarely a good idea
(2) A few small bumps of ket at the tail end of a pysch trip is rarely a bad idea

I've tried MXE at various doses, and whilst it doesn't get near the effects of ket (imo), I don't see why it wouldn't follow the same advice as above.
 
Haven't tried any, but AMT does have at least weak MAOI effects (strong enough though that it was prescribed as an antidepressant in the Soviet Union) so probably should not be mixed. Also, note that there have been a number of cases where the much more potent 5-meo-amt was sold as AMT, resulting in deaths.

Also, your AMT will go much further if smoked (10-20mg strong dose smoked compared to 30-60 strong dose oral). I point this out because, unlike with most other psychedelics, the trip from AMT is not significantly shortened when smoked as opposed to eaten, so it will go further that way. Start low of course. And do a test run with 1mg or less(you probably know to do this). You never know for sure what you actually have. People recently died from bromo-dragonfly, active at under 1mg, that was labeled as 2c-e, which is often used in the 10-40mg range.

If you have multiple chemicals, make sure you get the right one and that they are clearly labeled. (I managed to fuck up with two very differently named substances, though much of the ink may have been rubbed off(this happens a lot). Instead of 50+mg diazepam, I got that amount of DOI)


I have read about 5-ABP and 6-ABP. Some of what I read has shown material sold under those names from some vendors to contain different mixtures of cathinones, including mephedrone, mdpv, methylone, buphedrone, methedrone(caused a number of deaths, has a similar structure to PMA(most likely it would not be a large enough constituent of the mix to kill you if it was in there), flephedrone, ethylone, and maybe more.

Some of the stuff sold as 5-ABP and 6-ABP contain no 5-ABP or 6-ABP at all. It could be the real thing, or a lot of different chemicals dumped together and mixed. They found maybe a dozen different things in some things sold as 5-ABP, 6-ABP, and Benzo-Fury.

That thread listing components of the fake stuff may be on bluelight somewhere. I just did a quick search and could not find it though. I ran into it recently when looking into acquiring some for myself. The bad stuff may be out of the system by now, I don't know.



Didn't read whole thread, but noticed some other combos being discussed:

2C-P combined with a low dose of an "herbal" cannabis blend caused very frightening, strange feelings in my body, nausea, and extreme panic. The same with DOI instead was similar, but maybe less severe.

Last time I mixed mephedrone with a moderate amount of herbal cannabis caused panic, vomiting, hypertension(in excess of 180/110), severe tachycardia (Pulse stayed 150-180BPM for an hour). It was 24 hours after dosing the mephedrone before my BP dropped below 160/100, so I'd say stay away from that, even on it's own. I did maybe 300mg over 4 hours and I know some people use well over a gram in one session.

I'd be concerned about mixing synthetic cannabinoids with any strong stimulants. though I've done it with MDPV on a couple of occasions with wonderful results. Probably won't repeat though. Hell, I have heard of heart rates well over 200bpm with real weed combined with stims and heart rates above 150bpm from real weed alone.
 
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I NUK3D U, really? I love strong mixes of dissociatives (ket) with psychadelics (mainly LSD, in my experience). It feels like this contradicting wholeness, from the singularity of psychadelics and the nonexistence of dissociatives; Almost like two sides of a coin. I personally feel like both ego-loss and psychadelic oneness are just expressions of the same thing.
 
aMT is about a strong MAOI as cheese. I wouldn't worry about it personally. I find it combines well with other pyschs, mainly because I find it the most stimulating, and least pyschadelic tryptamine in it's own right.

Also make sure you have aMT freebase before you try smoking it.

I NUK3D U, really? I love strong mixes of dissociatives (ket) with psychadelics (mainly LSD, in my experience). It feels like this contradicting wholeness, from the singularity of psychadelics and the nonexistence of dissociatives; Almost like two sides of a coin. I personally feel like both ego-loss and psychadelic oneness are just expressions of the same thing.

Yeah, there are exceptions. I too love LSD with ket; but I find most strong pyschadelics, especially the 5-methoxy substituted ones, are better off alone.
 
Has anyone tried the APB pellets where its both 50mg 6-apb & 50mg 5-apb combined. Is there much difference in this combo than just 100mg of 6-apb on its own? It's just cos I was gonna give my friend 100mg of 6-apb (he's had it twice before and loved it) but I was gonna give him the combo instead.
 
I've had a-ppp and I'm awaiting to get a decent amount of mdpv which will be my long lasting stash and also first time using it (I was able to get a decent amount of white pv and also a gram of tan, I've tried bath salts once, given to me for free by friend I believe it was mdpv but not sure). a-ppp has a blank dull stimulation feeling when sniffed, kinda like how I've felt when taking wellbutrin or some experiences with ritalin. However IV a-ppp is a whole different experience, the aphrodisiac effect is amazing, whole body gets a rush feels like you could jizz your pants for a bit lol, combining a-ppp with some gbl produced much less muscle tension/heart rate increase and it was the ultimate sexual enhancer combo the iv rush of a-ppp does overpower most of gbls effects, altho it does help lessen side effects and both seem to synergize in creating a sexual pseudo speedball or imo a bonerball.

4-aco-dmt is awesome. I've only gotten to try it a few times but I'd really love to get a gram or so. I got a few caps of 4-aco-dmt at 30mg each, I sniffed 30mg of 4-aco-dmt and ate about 20-25mg of 2c-i, results were some of the most beautiful prisms and halos emanating from lights, the tracers didn't only glow but they had that flowing patterning effect phens seem to induce. The most beautiful hallucination I've seen are the rainbow shimmering of the 'blossoming' prisms that started as an aura around the lights and continued to grow and envelope the space around it, and when it reached a a corner or wall or extent to which the lights original illumination reached it would then cleave off into scrolling patterening on surfaces and the origin of each developed another overlapping glowing aura that began erupting with additional rainbow shimmering diamond/prism halos with increasing depth.. Basically all of this occurred just from looking at a source of light (e.g. lightbulb) and seeing all of the actual rays of light becoming unveiled and manifesting as 'rainbow' (not simply multiple colors, instead everything has a radiating glow that appeared to actually be multiple/all colors at the same time). The tryptamine truly gave the mystifying fantastic element to the trip while the phenethylamine lended a ever progressive animated 'alive' and transforming effect. Wonderful mix, 4-aco-dmt gave the trip 'soul' and depth and it created a subjectively unique environment and the 2c-i added a push and amplification of visual effects as well as an increased sense of wonder while viewing everything I saw.

Etizolam went amazingly with methylone as well as adderall, 2c-e, and 4-fa. I found it to be a very positive mood inducing relaxation med that didn't overpower any stimulants but it did add a sense of calm pleasantness. It also didn't seem to reduce psychadelic effects. I actually didn't have the rc version of etizolam I actually was doing "Depas" which is the brand name etizolam from Japan, me ex had I think an exchange student or something I was pretty high anyway she was from japan and she had a bag with all of her prescription meds which all were sorta in blister pack type things (the meds included ritalin which is a big deal in japan i guess cuz she charged a lot for those the rest were cheap, she had etizolam(depas), flunitrazepam(silece), zopiclone(imovane), pemoline(betanamin), aripiprazole(Aripiprex), flurazepam(benozil), mirtazipine(reflex), methylphenidate(metadate).

I've mixed mephedrone with 2c-i as well as with 2c-t-2 and lsd. Something I noticed about meph is that whenever I took it with a psychadelic/hallucinogen the psychadelic effects are minimal or almost nonexistent. Depending on when I dosed with the 4-mmc (sniffed it) I either caused a delayed onset of 'tripping' if I dosed before I took the psychadelic or if I took mephedrone during a trip I would suddenly feel much less trippy and the visuals would decrease for the duration of 4-mmcs effects. There was a terribly strange undertone to the feelings meph gave once the rush started to wear down and the trip started to resume, felt kinda toxic i guess, also once 4-mmc wore off the tripping would increase INTENSELY while the state of mind was coming down from meph and fiending. The time I took acid and 2c-t-2 I hadn't planned on doing either I just got them free at a rave while on 4-mmc. I ended up feeling very little until long after I finally ran out of meph then the trippy effects greatly increased without me expecting that....bad situation...was driving back to gfs house and wasn't tripping or hallucinating but as I drove to her place things started to morph and twist. I ended up pulling over in a neighborhood and just parking and listening to music for an hour or so until I felt I could safely navigate my vehicle. The trip eventually was aborted when I started sweating, feeling quite anxious, and suddenly felt the brain zaps of serotonin syndrome. I immediately dosed about 2.5mg klonopin. Has anyone else noticed when using 4-mmc that it puts psychadelics on hold sorta and while meph high is effecting you you dont feel the effects of other drugs, which can be dangerous in the same fashion a speedball is, once it wears off things are more intense than you realized.

I'm hoping to get 4-aco-dmt if I can find a source for a gram at a good price. When my mdpv arrives I'm considering mixing it in a low dose with 4-fa, I don't really know what would go well with 4-fa, on its own its ...mild...I take amps already so i have a tolerance..i dont feel speedy or anything like that from 4-fa. I have to space out dosing just to feel any buzz otherwise i just feel awake. I had expected more of 4-fa. Hopefully it mixes with something well (other than m1 which ive tried and will do when i get my gram of m1).
Also I'd like to know if anyone has had any positive combo effects with anything combined with mdpv?
 
Past 2 nights I tried a new combo and for me, this IS the closest thing to mdma ever.

160mg of mdai golden crystal with 125mg of 4 mec

Incredible both nights and extremely powerful.
 
I have mixed moderate doses of aMT with medium-high doses of MXE with no problems.
I have also mixed very small (20-30 mg) doses of MPA with later highish doses of MXE (peaks 4+ hours apart) with no problems.

I have only done these combinations a few times each and what is is safe for me may not be safe for you. But at least I was fine.
 
We are way beyond the original topic and I don't think it's good form to use this thread for just about any random question you might have. Ozchems read the Beginners FAQ to be able to find your appropriate thread which is in your case the Big & Dandy AMT Thread. It's explained there how to find it so please do it yourself.

- well okay fine! because youre a greenlighter I will do you the favor:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/528614-The-Big-amp-Dandy-aMT-Thread-(3rd-incarnation)

Short answer to your question: 8-12 hours
found here = http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt_dose.shtml

Sorry if I gave anyone the wrong idea but this has been going on for too long now. If anyone just asks any question anywhere soon no one will be able to navigate here. I was hoping it would become inactive much much sooner than this.
 
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