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RCs Just recieved 10grams U47700 and it tastes horrible, what can i cut it with to vape better and make it tast better

4DQSAR said:
How do you know what you order is what you get?

Because in the UK dozens of analogues have turned up in forensic journals. If a vendor has over-ordered one analogue, it's going to be very easy to misrepresent it as another. They are mostly being cut into H and it's my guess that the bulk buyers presumed that last time the stuff was X times more potent than morphine, that will remain true. After all, H dealers don't benefit from users dying...
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It’s all wrong, everyone is.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Them Witches -- shoot I was confused half your post people use to refer to fent as "China white". Yup Yup sounds like SOP; I always tell people you get pulled over in with 1-5 miles of leaving 'your spot' you probably wanna warn that person they are hot as a mofo and do not return there. (Seldom do they listen)
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The old term China White meant #3 or #4 diamorphine or diacytlemorphine cut with a pain killer like morphine. Well it did in the 90's thru 2010 until fentanyl ruined the good wholesome fun. The morphine was added to the #3 or #4 to give it legs because without it like clockwork 3-4hrs it was time to dose again. A dealer's habit is the worst.

Yeah if they are building a case, you can get pulled over on the interstate speeding 125mph with 5 bundles in your pocket and the state police does not search, arrest, and just gives the $500 speeding ticket. I know for sure on the cop's database that those involved in the case building names are tagged in the system. For excessive pawn shop tickets, they will tag that on a name. I got pulled over before and the cops were asking me if I was heading to the pawn shop and wanted to search my trunk. Some lady ran me off the road and they let her go and harassed me. My name was tagged.

Sometimes those moments of clarity when a voice in your head says it is time to get clean and out of the game, it is happening for a reason. I choose to listen and three months later the house folded like a deck of cards
 
Are you based in the US? I only ask because in the UK, SE Asian white heroin that was almost 100% pure was referred to as #4, Afghan brown smoking heroin as #3, but here at least, brown replaced white H in the mid 1980s.

Apparently white H does turn up from time to time, but it's a niche market - users who want to snort their drug of choice.
 
4DQSAR said:
Are you based in the US? I only ask because in the UK, SE Asian white heroin that was almost 100% pure was referred to as #4, Afghan brown smoking heroin as #3, but here at least, brown replaced white H in the mid 1980s.

Apparently white H does turn up from time to time, but it's a niche market - users who want to snort their drug of choice.
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Yeah I am in the US. Depending on the location of the US, certain types of heroin are more common than other.

Because my area was white powder dominate, the pure uncut white powder diamorphine / diacetylmorphine was called either " #4 " or "from the stamp".

After being cut with a small amount of morphine, it was "China White or #3".

We called the sniffed brown powder or having to add vinegar to shoot simply "brown dope" or "good brown dope"

The commercial white power in bundles wax bags or caps was "China White or #3 " that had higher values of morphine cut into it or other cutting agents.

"Scramble" was the commercial heroin cut even further. As for Black tar nobody wanted it.

During the 90's to 2011, white power was everywhere before fentanyl came into the scene.
 
Them Witches said:
The old term China White meant #3 or #4 diamorphine or diacytlemorphine cut with a pain killer like morphine. Well it did in the 90's thru 2010 until fentanyl ruined the good wholesome fun. The morphine was added to the #3 or #4 to give it legs because without it like clockwork 3-4hrs it was time to dose again. A dealer's habit is the worst.

Yeah if they are building a case, you can get pulled over on the interstate speeding 125mph with 5 bundles in your pocket and the state police does not search, arrest, and just gives the $500 speeding ticket. I know for sure on the cop's database that those involved in the case building names are tagged in the system. For excessive pawn shop tickets, they will tag that on a name. I got pulled over before and the cops were asking me if I was heading to the pawn shop and wanted to search my trunk. Some lady ran me off the road and they let her go and harassed me. My name was tagged.

Sometimes those moments of clarity when a voice in your head says it is time to get clean and out of the game, it is happening for a reason. I choose to listen and three months later the house folded like a deck of cards
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Yea I use to go to one cats house was there that day before dude got raided --- than again afterwards swooping back having no idea his spot got hit.... I am sure it put (if not cemented me) on the local radar. Of course I was just visiting as a friend lol. --- You speakin the truth though if you are "Not sure" if you are targeted; you probably are not or they are building a damn fed case. Subtlety does not seem to be there specialty. They stopped me several times to ask me "Where I got my suit, Why are you dressed up?" My default response was "That is a very beautiful vehicle you drive as well, thank you" --- but when you know you know lol
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I actually trust street dealers more than I trust so called 'RC vendors'.

At least with street dealers, you usually know someone ppersonally who can give an honest review of their product..
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Maybe I just have shitty friends (Not so much friends as corners in metro MI) or good vendors (I hear they were the "gold standard" but 'vanished')

I would never order from a vendor without many trusted (inferences @ least) that said vendor was trustworthy. A drive to metro is just some random corner shit that may well involve being gut-checked so to speak. But I didn't want much to do with the ppl that were headin to metro either so who knows.
 
I always think of the russia fentanyl gas attack on that theatre in russia --- it takes even extra low (Gov level) morals to just vent fent into a building. It depends on the buyers intent kind of. But alot of ppl are just calling it "dope" and putting it on the streets ruining diacetyl for evereyone. The profit margin is clearly almost exponential if you are willing to stoop to such lows. Humanity doesn't do well with temptation of wealth and opportunity.

But if you are properly equipped to measure it and plan to keep it your own business I say that is up to you. Really tough to tell the two groups apart though...
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I always think of the russia fentanyl gas attack on that theatre in russia --- it takes even extra low (Gov level) morals to just vent fent into a building.
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It's unclear to me if the Spetznaz themselves actually knew what Kolokol-1 was (is?). I know that Soviet and now Russian society is far more secretive and even the smallest things can be on a 'need to know' basis.

I'm not sure if naloxone would reverse the effects of the more potent fentanyl analogues. I know carfentanil is packaged with diprenorphine as a specific antidote.
 
Yea that is a fair point I dont think they are exactly chemists or known for asking questions. Someone made the call though and that was cold ish. I warn people of the same -- naloxone wont reverse some of these H cuts you guys; be it xylazine or some fent analogue this is not H it is hodgepodge 'grey death'. Which hurts knowing how many poppy's are produced -- feels like a greedy move. (surprise lol)
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Yea that is a fair point I dont think they are exactly chemists or known for asking questions. Someone made the call though and that was cold ish. I warn people of the same -- naloxone wont reverse some of these H cuts you guys; be it xylazine or some fent analogue this is not H it is hodgepodge 'grey death'. Which hurts knowing how many poppy's are produced -- feels like a greedy move. (surprise lol)
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I've read various reports by first-responders in the US and they regularly state that two or three doses of naloxone were required to reverse an overdose. So you have to ask if naloxone would work even if it had been available. But whatever is being mixed into the gear in the US sounds like a very bad deal for the consumer. Are there test strips for xylazine?

It still tickles me that Janssen developed carfentanil but for every sale they make, McFarlan Smith also makes a sale (the diprenorphine).
 
Them Witches said:
Oh this new world...

I miss the NYC diacytlemorphine cut with morphine, the old "china-white." The dealers in my town either drove to NYC or took Greyhound buses and came back with backpacks full of China #3 or #4 and would cut it down here. We could buy the raw #3 for $170 gram and raw #4 for $220 gram. Worth every penny and it puts shame to fentanyl. The heroin cut with morphine was good and sold it's self. The #3 a point sold for $40 and #4 a point sold for $50 and tolerant users always wanted the #3 & #4.

In 2011 the whole 35 man operation was indited on the same day and it took two days to locate all of them. They built a solid case with the help of FBI, DEA, and local. Those damn CI's. They watched hand to hand noting the driver & passangers, then would have a mark pull them over 3-5 mines down the road to confirm the people by running their I.D.'s and added it to the case. The CI's that were still using afterwards some how got hotbags, wonder why..?
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The pizza connect
 
4DQSAR said:
I was told it costs something like $10000 to be on one of those darkweb sites. Those allow user feedback.
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Seller or buyer? Its free as a buyer (other than the cost to buy product). As a seller, some markets are more costly then others but not 10k. Thats a ton more than it actually costs.

I really trust the darknet markets because not only is there user feedback but the forums surounding the markets have people sending stuff into get tested and anyone selling something as what its not (example: selling fent as heroin); almost always gets called out.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I always think of the russia fentanyl gas attack on that theatre in russia --- it takes even extra low (Gov level) morals to just vent fent into a building. It depends on the buyers intent kind of. But alot of ppl are just calling it "dope" and putting it on the streets ruining diacetyl for evereyone. The profit margin is clearly almost exponential if you are willing to stoop to such lows. Humanity doesn't do well with temptation of wealth and opportunity.

But if you are properly equipped to measure it and plan to keep it your own business I say that is up to you. Really tough to tell the two groups apart though...
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I don't know if that was fentanyl, it's highly disputed (cause the russian gov would never have told the world about that attack if they had it their way, free chechnya, like 80% of the hostages died due to the gas or russian gunfire, not the terrorists) and even the fentanyl theory is 3methylfentanyl, remifentanil and carfentanil. All of which are significantly more potent.
Of course though, it doesn't look good for even Russian PR to gas 800+ of your own civilians
 
Spideronthewall said:
Seller or buyer? Its free as a buyer (other than the cost to buy product). As a seller, some markets are more costly then others but not 10k. Thats a ton more than it actually costs.
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Seller.

I've since learnt that the price to sell on the dodgier ones is much less - $800 wes mentioned,

You know, it strikes me that any potential buyer should first ask how much it is to be a seller. It the price is low, that suggests they are struggling to find vendors. It's vendors who lose when sites are busted or the site owners pull a scam. I imagine experienced vendors will know the safer options. I'm informed wise people don't use bitcoin now, but one of the so-called untracable alternatives - but how safe are they?

I say this but I've never trusted any of them and want nothing to do with buying on-line nor anywhere else for that matter. It sounds like scammers are waking up to it being a good market to be in since the buyers cannot make a legal complaint.
 
daturetard said:
I don't know if that was fentanyl, it's highly disputed (cause the russian gov would never have told the world about that attack if they had it their way, free chechnya, like 80% of the hostages died due to the gas or russian gunfire, not the terrorists) and even the fentanyl theory is 3methylfentanyl, remifentanil and carfentanil. All of which are significantly more potent.
Of course though, it doesn't look good for even Russian PR to gas 800+ of your own civilians
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Thank for for that man! Details were real skimpy when it happened (as mentioned) Free Chechnya! Didn't most everyone die terrorist or otherwise? I remember reading an article about them being way too slow with the narcan but that was back near when it happened.

No it looked real real bad --- like a chemical weapon attack on citizens as well as terrorists with very little care of how things turned out. Did not know they went analogue either but it makes a bit of sense --- woulda stuck to fet classic prolly woulda got better results. (and that is something I will not say often).

4dqdsar -- 10 stacks is alot but trust and being anonymous is priceless. (some sort of system I presume to keep folk anonymous) --- BTC; that sucks, still considering making an account as I don't plan to do anything explicitly illegal or with any precedent of problem.

Shoot it has been almost a decade since I messed with a vendor of any sorts but now ya got me doubting them. (and no def not asking for a source) Ah well life is a gamble I suppose. ---b I guess I do not understand why one would have to pay anything to sell legal chemicals (Other than said trust and anonymity -- reviews, sure; but you can often (depending; still get samples and it is (was?) a world where word of mouth and reading between the lines goes a long way.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Thank for for that man! Details were real skimpy when it happened (as mentioned) Free Chechnya! Didn't most everyone die terrorist or otherwise? I remember reading an article about them being way too slow with the narcan but that was back near when it happened.
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The thing about narcan is its affinity is so much lower than any of the other three I mentioned that it won't even displace the molecules from the u opioid receptors. Narcan won't bring back a carfentanil victim, there's a specific antidote used to reverse the effects after tranuilizing large mamals with carfet. It's actually a partial agonist and not controlled, I'll look..
diprenorphine, took a fat minute to find that smh
 
daturetard said:
The thing about narcan is its affinity is so much lower than any of the other three I mentioned that it won't even displace the molecules from the u opioid receptors. Narcan won't bring back a carfentanil victim, there's a specific antidote used to reverse the effects after tranuilizing large mamals with carfet. It's actually a partial agonist and not controlled, I'll look..
diprenorphine, took a fat minute to find that smh
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Diprenorphine is supposed to be a bit dangerous in it's own right.

Sure, if you KNOW someone has been dosed with etorphine or carfentanil or whatever and if externally supported respiration isn't an option, diprenorphine is the only tool left in the box but I think it's still a DLR. I believe it's side-effects are extremely unpleasent and quite long-lasting.

I bet one day we will read that someone tried it alone, just to 'find out' and I wonder if they could win a Darwin Award in the process.
 
daturetard said:
The thing about narcan is its affinity is so much lower than any of the other three I mentioned that it won't even displace the molecules from the u opioid receptors. Narcan won't bring back a carfentanil victim, there's a specific antidote used to reverse the effects after tranuilizing large mamals with carfet. It's actually a partial agonist and not controlled, I'll look..
diprenorphine, took a fat minute to find that smh
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That I do happen to be aware of and part of why fent classic would have worked better -- if I recall they were using narcan to try and revive people which is not diprenorphine; plus fent is not as potent as carfent etc...

I would not wanna play with any of those substances. Fent has a pretty high binding affinity if I recall as on an equipotent dose it would cut through bupe alot more than say hydro or oxyycodone. (Not as high as some things of course)
 
Naloxone is a competitive antagonist - so even IF an agonist has a higher affinity, if a victim is given a LOT of naloxone, it will help - it's just that with opioids with such high affinnity, you would need a LOT of naloxone. I presume naloxone has it's own toxic features so isn't able to be given in sufficient doses. Certainly I know first responders in the US report that they are having to give multiple doses of naloxone and presume their must be a ceiling on that number.

But even with a lower affinity, naloxone WILL compete.
 
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