I finally am off suboxone. I never thought I would. Still feels like a dream to me. I feel amazing for sure. The way I did it was with 7-oh. I used 7 in replacement of my suboxone for 3 weeks. Went through 2 days of wds and after that was still wding so I knew suboxone was still in my system. Used 7 another month. Stopped , this time with sr-0718 and had barely any withdrawals because of it. By day 3 I was not withdrawing and not using anything. This was a few days ago. Now I have been using 7 a little as I’m not dependent on it and can space it out and not use for a day. I know I need to stop. But it’s possible to get off long term subs. I was on 16 mg a day since 2011. I don’t know how anyone would without 7.
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Just got over a 14 year suboxone habit.
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Congrats, man! I was on subs for a similar amount of time and it is most definitely doable!
All this shit takes a certain determination… but that is all.
If you truly wanna quit whatever shit you on, just do it. Promise it isn’t as bad as addiction
All this shit takes a certain determination… but that is all.
If you truly wanna quit whatever shit you on, just do it. Promise it isn’t as bad as addiction
First off, big congratulations for ditching the long-term subs. That is a true feat and one which only those with first hand experience can truly understand and appreciate. However, I have to point out:
I'm sure you are aware of how addictive 7-OH is and how many problems it's causing for people at the moment. If you can go a day or two without it, I'd strongly recommend not using it at all. It could get you back into trouble very quickly and, from what I read here on BL, it's a hole that subs can't help you get out of.
Sorry to be a downer (pun not intended), but I know from bitter experience that there is a window of very high risk just after you get off opioids during which you can easily pick up another addiction. Getting off opiates/opioids is extremely hard, and the challenge doesn't end once you've stopped using - just turns into a different kind of challenge. The moment where you drop everything that has helped you and there's nowhere left to escape is a big mental barrier to overcome.
All the best and congrats again on what you've accomplished so far. I hope to join you in that freedom one day.
I'm sure you are aware of how addictive 7-OH is and how many problems it's causing for people at the moment. If you can go a day or two without it, I'd strongly recommend not using it at all. It could get you back into trouble very quickly and, from what I read here on BL, it's a hole that subs can't help you get out of.
Sorry to be a downer (pun not intended), but I know from bitter experience that there is a window of very high risk just after you get off opioids during which you can easily pick up another addiction. Getting off opiates/opioids is extremely hard, and the challenge doesn't end once you've stopped using - just turns into a different kind of challenge. The moment where you drop everything that has helped you and there's nowhere left to escape is a big mental barrier to overcome.
All the best and congrats again on what you've accomplished so far. I hope to join you in that freedom one day.
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Im really happy with the success you’ve found but just be aware that 7 is a powerful opiate, and that sr-7018 is a less strong opiate.
It’s possible to think that you got off of suboxone and onto a different partial agonist that is a lot more euphoric.
This could be problematic for a lot of people.
That said my journey was similar; heroin, to subs, to kratom leaf, to 7oh, and then hop skipping from 7oh to kratom and then to 7 and back again for about a solid year straight, then 100 days sober last August 17 to new years, then this entire year just lapsing on 7oh once a week and then being violently sick for the rest of the week to be high for two nights and two days, then back to work sick for the week, with two three week relapses thrown in for good measure.
It’s been 46 days since I used 7. It’s taken straight up three years and a lot of Self Management and Recovery Trainng tools and techniques to get me to a place where I could start dealing with all the shit that was just outside of my ability to feel because of the opiates.
The cleaner I got, the more I had to feel, and a lot of times it was a lot more difficult to feel that than it was to pick up 7 so I struggled with lapse a whole ton.
My point is; you have in your mind what it feels like to be completely opioid free, you know how good it feels, but are you now ready to start being a person whose identity in no way engages with dabbling in opiates?
If you are ready for that, then I highly recommend you start attending SMART meetings in order to start building a tool kit for all the mechanical problems life is going to churn up for you to deal with. If you don’t want to go to smart meetings, then you could buy the smart book and read it; it’s a technical manual for the soul in a way.
If I were you, I’d throw the seven away, remember how good it felt to feel like you were off of opiates finally, and then, I’d order up two weeks of sr-whatever and do it again, this time including 7 and sr itself in the things you will eventually be abstaining from, when you’ve done that, then you should set a time period where you can freely use seven and whatever opioids you want for a set time period, and when that period is up, induce the sr-whatever and then transition into actual abstinence.
I say this because I spent the last year on seven and it’s definitely not the freedom from opiate addiction that you would think given it’s the natural metabolite of the main component of kratom leaf. But kratom is on its own incredibly addictive because it’s low dose 7oh if you acknowledge Mitragynine is just a pro drug for 7oh.
Out of love for the joy you felt making this post, I think you should do the above. Or at least accept suggestions from other posters.
If you think I should shut the fuck up, stop taking both the 7 and the kratom, and then let us know how you’re feeling. 14 years of suboxone and a period of 7oh addiction and weak opioid titration would hit me like a ton of bricks.
And the sickness might be the kick a person needs to really commit to their own triumph
All that said, you’ve done yourself a huge favor by switching to an opiate with a much shorter half life than buprenorphine.
If you’re really just on 7, I’d like to recommend that you could kick the 7 now, while you’re ahead.
It will be five days of intense withdrawal that’s easily managed with gabapentin, Theanine, magnesium, vitamin c, b vitamins, and plenty of fluids, and maybe a 2mg tablet of loperamide for one or two days to make your life easier.
You could really put in the work to pursue the feeling which guided this post.
But, it occurs to me that you’re solely celebrating being off of suboxone, so maybe I should shut the fuck up and after a pause say,
“Congratulations! I’m glad to hear you’re feeling better. Good luck with your goals! I hope you achieve whatever you set out to achieve.”
It’s possible to think that you got off of suboxone and onto a different partial agonist that is a lot more euphoric.
This could be problematic for a lot of people.
That said my journey was similar; heroin, to subs, to kratom leaf, to 7oh, and then hop skipping from 7oh to kratom and then to 7 and back again for about a solid year straight, then 100 days sober last August 17 to new years, then this entire year just lapsing on 7oh once a week and then being violently sick for the rest of the week to be high for two nights and two days, then back to work sick for the week, with two three week relapses thrown in for good measure.
It’s been 46 days since I used 7. It’s taken straight up three years and a lot of Self Management and Recovery Trainng tools and techniques to get me to a place where I could start dealing with all the shit that was just outside of my ability to feel because of the opiates.
The cleaner I got, the more I had to feel, and a lot of times it was a lot more difficult to feel that than it was to pick up 7 so I struggled with lapse a whole ton.
My point is; you have in your mind what it feels like to be completely opioid free, you know how good it feels, but are you now ready to start being a person whose identity in no way engages with dabbling in opiates?
If you are ready for that, then I highly recommend you start attending SMART meetings in order to start building a tool kit for all the mechanical problems life is going to churn up for you to deal with. If you don’t want to go to smart meetings, then you could buy the smart book and read it; it’s a technical manual for the soul in a way.
If I were you, I’d throw the seven away, remember how good it felt to feel like you were off of opiates finally, and then, I’d order up two weeks of sr-whatever and do it again, this time including 7 and sr itself in the things you will eventually be abstaining from, when you’ve done that, then you should set a time period where you can freely use seven and whatever opioids you want for a set time period, and when that period is up, induce the sr-whatever and then transition into actual abstinence.
I say this because I spent the last year on seven and it’s definitely not the freedom from opiate addiction that you would think given it’s the natural metabolite of the main component of kratom leaf. But kratom is on its own incredibly addictive because it’s low dose 7oh if you acknowledge Mitragynine is just a pro drug for 7oh.
Out of love for the joy you felt making this post, I think you should do the above. Or at least accept suggestions from other posters.
If you think I should shut the fuck up, stop taking both the 7 and the kratom, and then let us know how you’re feeling. 14 years of suboxone and a period of 7oh addiction and weak opioid titration would hit me like a ton of bricks.
And the sickness might be the kick a person needs to really commit to their own triumph
All that said, you’ve done yourself a huge favor by switching to an opiate with a much shorter half life than buprenorphine.
If you’re really just on 7, I’d like to recommend that you could kick the 7 now, while you’re ahead.
It will be five days of intense withdrawal that’s easily managed with gabapentin, Theanine, magnesium, vitamin c, b vitamins, and plenty of fluids, and maybe a 2mg tablet of loperamide for one or two days to make your life easier.
You could really put in the work to pursue the feeling which guided this post.
But, it occurs to me that you’re solely celebrating being off of suboxone, so maybe I should shut the fuck up and after a pause say,
“Congratulations! I’m glad to hear you’re feeling better. Good luck with your goals! I hope you achieve whatever you set out to achieve.”
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Odd question how are your teeth since starting Sub? I was on Sub for years and as soon as I started it my teeth started falling apart, when I quit Sub all the tooth decay stopped immediately.
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Suboxone is The Devil.
My teeth are destroyed.
I have lost almost 100 pounds since they put me on this demon drug.
I can’t eat, can’t sleep.
I want off this stuff so bad!
I tried to just cold turkey it and it was akin to food poisoning and my heart was jumping all over the place.
I’m pretty sure I almost had a heart attack.
So, I had to take some.
I’m down from 3 and a half pills to two and I’m going to cut that to one next week ( unless the heart thing starts up again and I have to go back up some)
I’m going to try and get to one pill a day and then take it in quarters.
I’m just so done with all of this!
A back injury from a car accident caused me chronic pain; which led to me being prescribed 2 pain pills a day.
After Covid my doctor retired and no other doctor would accept me due to me taking two pain pills a day! WTF?
Even with a letter from my previous doctor stating I had been a perfect pain patient.
The doctors in my state of Utah saw fit to just rip everyone off treatment.
I can only imagine how many chronic pain patients and others were forced to the streets to look for relief and ended up on fentanyl and possibly worse.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU SO CALLED DOCTORS!!!
I’m on a mission to expose your greed and heartless behavior !
You’re directly responsible for murder and unspeakable suffering and cruelty.
Crimes against humanity!
I’m here to tell you that there is justice in this Universe and it is coming swiftly to all you “doctors “ and “scientists “.
There is a God and he knows what you have done to other’s.
He comes swiftly!
Enjoy your never ending suffering!
My teeth are destroyed.
I have lost almost 100 pounds since they put me on this demon drug.
I can’t eat, can’t sleep.
I want off this stuff so bad!
I tried to just cold turkey it and it was akin to food poisoning and my heart was jumping all over the place.
I’m pretty sure I almost had a heart attack.
So, I had to take some.
I’m down from 3 and a half pills to two and I’m going to cut that to one next week ( unless the heart thing starts up again and I have to go back up some)
I’m going to try and get to one pill a day and then take it in quarters.
I’m just so done with all of this!
A back injury from a car accident caused me chronic pain; which led to me being prescribed 2 pain pills a day.
After Covid my doctor retired and no other doctor would accept me due to me taking two pain pills a day! WTF?
Even with a letter from my previous doctor stating I had been a perfect pain patient.
The doctors in my state of Utah saw fit to just rip everyone off treatment.
I can only imagine how many chronic pain patients and others were forced to the streets to look for relief and ended up on fentanyl and possibly worse.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU SO CALLED DOCTORS!!!
I’m on a mission to expose your greed and heartless behavior !
You’re directly responsible for murder and unspeakable suffering and cruelty.
Crimes against humanity!
I’m here to tell you that there is justice in this Universe and it is coming swiftly to all you “doctors “ and “scientists “.
There is a God and he knows what you have done to other’s.
He comes swiftly!
Enjoy your never ending suffering!
Look up the company that copyright Suboxone beckets or whatever. See what else they make. All the tooth decay will make sense.
Then they were given a double length copyright period because suddenly at the end of the first the pills was a danger for accidental ingestion by kids. So they received an additional time for the “safer strip” they all got paid.
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Yep.
You’re absolutely correct.
These EVIL BASTARDS!
WE need to stand up to all this corruption!
I have been standing up to it.
I think everyone who has been forced onto suboxone should be entitled to a large sum of money.
That still doesn’t even begin to make things right.
Jesus needs to strike some of these evil bastards down!
I will look for your post saying you need help with suboxone but I need help with suboxone.
Everyone who takes it needs help.
I suggest you stop taking it right now!
Taper off like I am doing.
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I’m going to have to have a few teeth surgically removed soon.
What am I going to do about the pain?
Is it possible to override the suboxone?
Please advise my smart bluelight family.
What am I going to do about the pain?
Is it possible to override the suboxone?
Please advise my smart bluelight family.
Painful One
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The estimated cost of fixing my teeth from the suboxone comes to $23,685.00
Unbelievable!
Unbelievable!