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Bupe Jumping off suboxone from 12mg daily?

Yeah I didn't even realize how high it was until I talked to someone else who used to be on suboxone and when I told him I was on 12mg he said "f**k that's a heavy dose". I just thought it was what everyone got, like the standard amount, but having done more research it seems like 6-8mg is probably more normal.

I don't think my doctor really knows how codeine obviously is a much milder addiction than normal opiate dependance. Having said that I was going through a minimum of a box of 40 codeine tablets a day which is 500mg. That dosage would be comverted to a very significant amount of morphine in vivo. I think he's one of those people who intends well, but to him a drug is a drug, and there's no difference between codeine or heroin. They're the same evil to him. Let's just say i don't think he's the kind of guy who spends his time on Bluelight learning about drugs, lol.

Amazing I'm still withdrawal free, which is sort of bizarre. Or rather I should say, no *significant* withdrawals. Only that hot/cold flush and feeling teary while watching a doco on the Vietnam war.

The way I now see it is that my life isn't really just mine. I mean all my ancestors before me fought so hard to survive and pass the family down, for thousands of years, and my parents gave me so much, and for me to just stay stoned on suboxone is just so selfish. In a sick way I'm looking forward to the pain, I want to punish myself.
 
That's actually a really good idea, swallowing two of the strips and just taking one, as (1.) They assume I've taken the full dose, and (2.) once swallowed it obviously doesn't work at all.

I'll definitely use that method if the withdrawals get too bad and I go back.

PS: Going back on codeine wouldn't actually be too bad, it's a lot milder and less destructive than the Sub.
 
500mg of codeine a day is definitely not a small habit with extra DHC on top, especially if you're CYP2D6 polymorphic and convert a lot of that codeine in to morphine. On that same note, if you're 2D6 polymorphic, try looking in to tramadol to taper off of suboxone once you taper down from 12mg as much as possible. Most people find codeine a shitty and weak opioid, but some have the right liver enzymes for it.

It's so ridiculous how Kratom is illegal in Australia - it really is a perfect "transition" opioid if you're done with getting high and just want to get clean and live a normal life already. It's up there with cannabis as being one of the two perfectly balanced, miracle plants that nature can offer us. The fact that it is a stimulating opioid makes it even more perfect as a transition substance if you like the stimulating effects from bupe, which is thebaine-derived.

AminoAcid said:
PS: Going back on codeine wouldn't actually be too bad, it's a lot milder and less destructive than the Sub.
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That sounds like some serious justification right there.. do you really want to throw away four years of opioid replacement therapy, during which you finally realized you had enough of being numbed the fuck out by opioids, and wanted a normal life already.

You even wrote in your OP that you "haven't even had a social life or a friend in many years," as you "just walk around in this convenient somewhat comfortable coccoon created by the Suboxone. Life seem[ed] to just pass by and time [went by] ridiculously quickly, like it just [fell] from [your] grasp."

You need to ask yourself, why did you go on Suboxone in the first place, and, more importantly, why do you want to get off of it? You answered the second question yourself in your OP, so don't forget that you were fed up by the boring, unproductive nothingness of opioid apathy.
 
I tried this man. You are wasting your time and suffering for no reason trying to get off at 12mgs....that is unrealistic. However I do not agree with people who say to taped down to microgram levels. That is actually prolonging withdrawal as you are teasing you body with minute doses. There is research that withdrawal from 4mgs and anything lower is nearly exactly the same. If you can taper yourself to 4mgs and get some medications from your doctor I ironically found it not easy, but not that difficult to get off it. I then got a vivitrol shot and my life has taken an AMAZING upward turn. My mood is happier, I am more social, I love getting out of the house and exercising. I think putting a codeine abuser on buprenorphine (a VERY powerful opiate semi agonist) is very stupid. Your doctor may not be the best. Some people may disagree but bupe really screws up your system and you have soon become a slave to a more powerful opiate. It's like treating an adderall addict with meth in my opinion. Please PM me if you'd like to talk more as I have done EXACTLY what you are doing and was successful. Good luck.
 
Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. Sorry if I leave some things out that I was meant to reply to, I don't feel the best.

It's now 5:38AM Sunday and I haven't taken any suboxone since Tuesday.

Yesterday I was awake for 30 hours, lol. Just didn't feel the need to sleep. Main problem I have now the "kicking". It's like my legs have an energy in them that I can't get rid of. Also a bit of cramping and hot/cold flashes. Nothing too serious so far, definitely tolerable, but on the other hand the worst is probably not here yet. YouTube is working as a nice source of distraction. If problems get too bad I have a whole lot of left over Seroquel which never fails to knock me out cold.

Oh and for the person who suggested Tramadol, no thanks. I took that once and ended up on life support because I had no idea it is deadly when taken with Effexor (which I take for the depression). It was serotonin syndrome, a horrible experience. I'm VERY lucky to be alive from that. My breathing and heart stopped and they only just managed to save me. I'll write a thread about the near-death experience which I went through later when I feel better (very very strange and profound, I literally saw some parts of the future and one of my past lives. Yes I know that sounds bizarre).

I can fully understand why you guys are skeptical as to my ability to do this. You probably get threads everyday from people claiming they're stopping opiates, only for very few to follow through. All I can really do is look inside myself to find the strength.

Oh yeah and I respectfully disagree it's a waste of time, as even is hypothetically I fail in a couple of days (which I can no intention to), and go see the bupe-doctor to go on 4mg or 2mg, then at least I've paid the piper for 8-10mg and acheieved that much.

Mr. Withdrawal says bye for now.
 
Its not that we doubt your willpower and desire. I can tell you want it really badd to be off everything its just i know how many times ive failed and dont want to see you fail, a success story every now and then gives me hope that one day ill be clean

And i have yet to read someones posts as they successfully get and stay clean as theyre doing that, i think itd be fucking awesome

And yea seroquil is great for sleep. I took 200mg when i was living at a halfway house soke guy gave me to help sleep and i didnt realize how strong it is, i was soooo tired and groggy and almost felt like i was drunk the whole mext day.... and i had to drive everyone to am easter banquet at a church rofl, not good times
 
Wow it's amazing how well seroquel is at getting one to sleep. It completely stopped the incessant restless leg syndrome that was driving me up the wall yesterday and even had 10 hours sleep with pleasant dreams.

Now it's 11:50 Monday and haven't taken anything since Tuesday, so it's day 6, and I'm feeling OK. Definitely better than day 5.

I have a psychiatrist's appointment now that I forgot to cancel, but I'm going to force myself to go in the hopes of getting something for the restless leg syndrome incase it comes back (apparantly there are some effective drugs to stop that as it's an actual condition people not going through withdrawal suffer, poor them). Also I probably won't say no to some benzos if he offers, but to be honest every time I've taken benzos they've done nothing to me for some strange reason.

I just hope the withdrawals don't come back fiercly while I'm on the bus :o!

Adios for now.
 
I have severe RLS and PLMS, and am prescribed methadone for the RLS and clonazepam for the PLMS. The combo makes it so I can get a solid nights rest, which helps with adhd which is nice.
 
AminoAcid said:
Wow it's amazing how well seroquel is at getting one to sleep. It completely stopped the incessant restless leg syndrome that was driving me up the wall yesterday and even had 10 hours sleep with pleasant dreams.

Now it's 11:50 Monday and haven't taken anything since Tuesday, so it's day 6, and I'm feeling OK. Definitely better than day 5.

I have a psychiatrist's appointment now that I forgot to cancel, but I'm going to force myself to go in the hopes of getting something for the restless leg syndrome incase it comes back (apparantly there are some effective drugs to stop that as it's an actual condition people not going through withdrawal suffer, poor them). Also I probably won't say no to some benzos if he offers, but to be honest every time I've taken benzos they've done nothing to me for some strange reason.

I just hope the withdrawals don't come back fiercly while I'm on the bus :o!

Adios for now.
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Youre doing great mann, you got this! Prove everyone who said it cant be done wrong because i kmow you can do it
 
I thought that putting people on subs after years of sub abuse is insane (that's the deal on this corner of the world) but for codeine.. un fuckin beliavable. And 12mgs, what are the prescribers thinking about these days?

OK, offtopic but just had to comment.

Good luck for you OP.
 
AminoAcid, you're handling this WD like a champ! You seem to have an iron constitution, you should be proud :D

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I thought that putting people on subs after years of sub abuse is insane (that's the deal on this corner of the world) but for codeine.. un fuckin beliavable. And 12mgs, what are the prescribers thinking about these days?
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On one hand, some of them want to keep you on a blocking dose of bupe (>2mg/dose) so you will remain clean and live a better life, but I'm sure others are doling out high doses just to put the hooking on you and keep you coming back. :| I see the same situation with methadone clinics, ie., even if 30mg holds you and gives you a reasonably low point to taper off of, they just let you increase your dosage slowly by slowly, and some even encourage it!
 
Cut your dose, I aint read much but ti sounds you're overdosing. Y

ou were on codiene the weakist opiate near and you go on a stupid amount of buprenorphine - I mean heroin addicts start at 8mg and IVers usually 8-12mg. So I think it's beeen a massive shock to your body sortta like if you abused it and that is why youget them side effects.

Do not frigging CT. Just maybe half the dam dose and stick at that and drop 1-2mg per 1-3week (people find it differently)
 
Thanks for the support and advice everyone.

I'm now on day 8 and I can no longer feel any acute physical withdrawal symptoms. Sure I feel a bit down, but that's to be expected.

Having said that, yesterday was an absolute nightmare because I got restless arms that could not be satiated no matter what I did. It was so uncomfortable that I was flailing my arms around like a lunatic. Luckily that is gone now, not sure how I eventually managed to get to sleep, it must've been the seroquel.

I now feel well enough to tidy my room up and do some chores, and start living again.

I truly hope I'm over the bulk of it and can move on with my life.

A very hearty thankyou to everyone.

To people who are wanting to kick, all I can say if: YouTube, good music and anything else to distract you. It's amazing how music can hold you together.
 
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To those of you saying they are replying without reading the thread or are obviously posting without reading hopefully you will see the update below, although if you are not reading the posts then you won't be seeing this. :\

AminoAcid said:
Thanks for the support and advice everyone.

I'm now on day 8 and I can no longer feel any acute physical withdrawal symptoms. Sure I feel a bit down, but that's to be expected.

Having said that, yesterday was an absolute nightmare because I got restless arms that could not be satiated no matter what I did. It was so uncomfortable that I was flailing my arms around like a lunatic. Luckily that is gone now, not sure how I eventually managed to get to sleep, it must've been the seroquel.

I now feel well enough to tidy my room up and do some chores, and start living again.

I truly hope I'm over the bulk of it and can move on with my life.

A very hearty thankyou to everyone.

To people who are wanting to kick, all I can say if: YouTube, good music and anything else to distract you. It's amazing how music can hold you together.
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Congratulations. I'm glad that the seroquel worked for you. A lot of people report that it actually makes their RLS worse while in withdrawal, so they end up extremely tired but can't really sleep since they are kicking a lot. That's just something to keep in mind for people reading this thread thinking that seroquel will work as good for them as it has for you.
 
Just got back from the doctor's, and am freaked out. He said withdrawals will last 2 weeks!!

Managed to get a bit of valium while there though, so as to knock me out if the "crazy arms" comes back.
 
Sorry if someone's written this but the whole idea of it taking 15 months to get over the PAWS is just rubbish. If you exercise a little each day and eat well then you should be pretty much back to normal within 2-3 months. When I did a quick taper off of methadone in a residential rehab I was fine (after hitting zero from 24mg inside two weeks) in about that time. Don't take on all this stuff when you're going through a rattle as it just sets you back and keeps you worried - you're addict wants to use any excuse to use again and fearmongering plays into it's hands perfectly.

Just keep strong, do a taper over a month maximum down to 2mg and grin and bear it. It really isn't very bad and can be made much easier with good diet and aforementioned excercise. Oh, and lots of sex if you can get it.
 
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