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Harm Reduction Jugular external vein IV tips

in the U.S. where I live they are all sold as "insulin syringes". If you want to give those a try you can buy them online. I like how they sit flush with the skin, sometimes with longer needles you will register, push in further and lose the register (this is the needle poking through the other side of the vein), or pull out a little and lose the register. with the 5/16 I find they go in just far enough to sit in the vein. with a large vein like the jugular which is close to the surface this would be perfect.
 
curious, swim is the opposite. no fear when it comes to groin, but neck self shooting with mirror et al swim is uneasy with. dont get swim wrong, he has wrecked most veins up there with help with friends. glad youre not even contemplating fem. careful with that cable, accidental asphyxiation can and does happen. other than that - good luck
 
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in the U.S. where I live they are all sold as "insulin syringes". If you want to give those a try you can buy them online. I like how they sit flush with the skin, sometimes with longer needles you will register, push in further and lose the register (this is the needle poking through the other side of the vein), or pull out a little and lose the register. with the 5/16 I find they go in just far enough to sit in the vein. with a large vein like the jugular which is close to the surface this would be perfect.
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Yes I can see the advantages. I'll see about ordering some.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
curious, swim is the opposite. no fear when it comes to groin, but neck self shooting with mirror et al swim is uneasy with. dont get swim wrong, he has wrecked most veins up there with help with friends. glad youre not even contemplating fem. careful with that cable, accidental asphyxiation can and does happen. other than that - good luck
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It is interesting how different people view risk in completely different ways. I wouldn't think twice about sticking a drug in a vein but I don't like the idea of injecting into a muscle though many would see it the other way round. I don't have much trouble using the mirror in fact I've just shot some 25I in my left jugular. Hit the vein no trouble though just to confirm the previous posters point about the merits of 5/16th inch needles, I went right through and had to withdraw a little to register so they're now on my shopping list.
 
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^^^ lol i doubt they do rehab for his particular DOC. you are trolling, get out of the thread..



OP, indeed swim is the same with i.m, guess its always associated with 'missing' in his drug-culture and thus unwanted. i was contemplating the differences between steroid/heroin use yesterday, in that steroid users actively worry about hitting veins and grow bigger & 'healthier' during their usage, whereas heroin users are the complete mirror image in almost every respect. oh what a tangled web et cetera..
 
I don't see how muvolution is "trolling" by thinking things like neck injection and the other things described in this thread are signs that a person should seek help with their addiction. And rehab exists for any type of addiction.

Blake -

BD is a brand name. They make a number of products including insulin syringes of various sizes.

It sounds like you not only have a needle fixation but a neck injection fixation. You may not see it as a problem right now, but to an outsider it definitely sounds like one. Something can be a problem without you realizing it is one, or can become a problem in the (likely near) future, and often by then it's too late and you're too addicted to stop or have done serious damage to yourself.

Please, I urge you to at least TRY to stop injecting in your neck. It is way too dangerous! You never answered my question about what you think is going to happen if you keep this up?

I have written a ton of tips/instructions for finding/hitting veins in other threads but am not on my computer right now so I'll find them and link to them later. For now here's a few:

- Stay well hydrated, and ideally, well-nourished. Being dehydrated makes it way harder to hit veins.
- Look at some vein maps. I had a lot of luck with the veins on the insides of my legs. Even some in weird places like on your lower torso would be safer than your neck.
- Learn how to feel for veins.
- Have a hot bath beforehand and/or do some jumping jacks or other exercise to plump up veins.
- Use a fresh needle for every poke (if using syringes with non-detachable needles and you try to hit and can't register, transfer the drug solution a new syringe and start over - it makes a huge difference).
- Use the vacuum method for registering. (let me know if you don't know what this is).
- Take care of your veins! Use a filter, rotate your injection sites, treat misses with a hot cloth, clean your skin with alcohol before injecting, always use fresh needles, etc.

Also are you inserting the needle at a shallow angle as I suggested? With a shallow angle and the vacuum method you can minimize the risk of puncturing through the vein. It is also more effective and decreases misses. I have a diagram somewhere...
 
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you believe someone who is jugular iv'ing is going to stop because he is told by a stranger to get help? we've all said reconsider, might as well get on with HR. par example; before i knew the dangers involved, when desperately searching for a vein - i intentionally shot into a bicep artery a couple times.. very slowly, riding the wave of electric burn each depress of plunger. for some reason it was much less painful than arteries leading to extremities.. and provided no rush, tho it did cure WD's. when i later mentioned this on bluelight i was called a liar. the way i see it is, what if someone read that arterial injection is impossible, hit the same bicep artery i did and didnt realise it was such because 'its impossible' and continued iv'ing into it? he/she could die. so in my eyes harm reduction covers all subjects no matter how uncomfortable to discuss. my ignorance almost cost me and i strive to prevent the same happening to others.
 
yeah hitting arteries is definitely not impossible, not reccomended? absolutely.

to those who don't know the problem with hitting arteries besides the fact it will hurt like you are hitting a nerve, is that they go away from your heart. when you hit a vein the drug goes towards your heart, getting diluted along the way, then back out into your circulatory system and up into your brain. when you hit an artery it goes directly, relatively undiluted, and at high pressures, away from your heart and towards your hands and feet. the arteries get much smaller and eventually end, where oxygenated blood delivers oxygen to these extremities and then through the small capillaries bar oxygen before being brought back to your heart via your veins. if you inject something that has small microscopic particals due to being filtered by a piece of cotton or even most micron filters, these small particles will clog the capillaries and you risk losing your arm due to gangrene.

so the moral of the story is, if you are desperate to hit a vein, and you go too deep and feel a sharp nerve pain, pull out for fucks sake. getting that high that will wear off in a couple hours is not worth getting that gangrene that will make your arm or leg fall off in a couple days.

my work here is done, harm reduced.
 
Here's a HR tip. Don't shoot in your jugular. How would you like to miss a shot? It happened to a friend of mine. He only missed some of his shot. 3 days later he was found dead by his brother. The cause of death was an abscess that developed and swelled up so bad it closed off his jugular.
 
he's already missed, as have i and have stated previously its a painful, debilitating experience. but for an abcess to form would be unusual for what he is shooting. if he were asking for places to shoot your advice would be prudent. however he plainly is already at that stage thus HR is the correct response. im sorry about your friend/acquaintence, it is precisely for that reason i do not self-jugular i.v my DOC. though i must say i have never heard of such a large abcess forming so fast. there but for the grace of god
 
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Monkey I'm not sure you understand what harm reduction is. It IS harm reduction to tell someone not to inject into their neck and to help them find safer places to inject. HR is about helping people who use drugs do so more safely, instead of just saying "drugs are illegal and bad for you, never use drugs". It is not about not trying to get someone to change the ways they use drugs or their behaviours around drugs. By your line of thinking if someone says they use dirty needles we should not suggest they use clean ones but should only give them advice that allows them to continue using dirty needles. Just because he's already injecting in the neck does not mean we shouldn't strongly encourage other options. As for ways to reduce harm if someone is determined to inject in the neck, we actually have already suggested many, such as using micron filters, inserting the needle at a shallow angle, and being very careful to try to avoid arteries, nerves etc.

Also, people keep focusing on the risk of abscess like it's the only risk. It is just one of many serious risks of injecting into the neck. For example, think about what happens if you hit an artery that goes straight to your brain.
 
I'd had 3 days without sleep and had been compulsively redosing EPH for 2 of them and had become obsessed and irrational. Adding the 25I into the mix was a stupid thing to do and not susprisingly led to me turning various shades of red, purple and black due to the the increased vasoconstriction. Over the course of an hour an area on my lower calf became swollen and painful and was rapidly getting worse. I dread to think what that was about. At this point I realised that I had become dehydrated so drank a load of water, packed away all my drugs and needles and went to bed wondering if I'd be better off calling an ambulance.

After a long sleep the swollen patch on my leg was no longer painful but still tender to the touch and after another long sleep is barely noticeable. Otherwise I look and feel fine (well apart from my neck being a bit fatter than usual and being soft and squidgy to the touch) though a little wiser. Now for some clean living and a bit of reflection.
 
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reread my posts dancer, i suggested other sites and encouraged him to reconsider. have you ever shot into neck? have you ever shot at all? if someone had only access to dirty needles i wouldnt tell them to not shoot with dirty needles, as that is less than useless. i would give info on sterilising and technique. i can tell youre one of those people who advise going to hospital after scratching an artery. i.e, you dont have any real, bottom of the barrel (no pun) experience. ive shot into arteries, stabbed them all up with 2mls, blood hit the ceiling etc and applied no pressure (due to concurrent veinal search) and had no problem aside from a slightly swolen side of groin for a day or so. i speak from experience and i dont trot out cliche'd crap to people who earnestly ask for help. i assume you do not either, so may we move on?
 
^ Swimmingdancer actually has excellent advice. She's THE reason my veins aren't all fucked up from using heroin, she really knows what she's talking about. You have absolutely no reason to be assuming a bunch of stupid crap about her.
Honestly, I don't know why you're on this site. I can get along with pretty much everyone but in 5 minutes you've managed to really rub me the wrong way. BL is about HARM REDUCTION. That means no matter how dumb the question we still give them the best advice we can to make sure that if they're going to be doing it, they're doing it the safest way possible. The exception would be this thread, where the OP is tying a freaking electrical cord around his neck and injecting a drug that shouldn't even be IVed into his neck. There is NO safe way to IV into your neck or femoral, period. So the only correct HR response would be tell the person just that and suggest other places to inject or suggest other RoAs since he shouldn't even IV this drug.

On the other thread you were flaming the OP for trying heroin because he had a family and insulting him and providing no HR info or advice or support or basically anything of value at all. You just clearly don't get what BL is about.
 
i would say get some micron filters and don't shoot into your neck unless your just over life and if so try to find what makes you really happy ie not drugs cause i don't think (most) people deserve to die even though i want most of them too
 
why are you following me around rhun? i already removed myself from a topic and your trolling. i dont give a shit about your opinion, especially as someone who requires tips on how to iv off the internet. check my posts, i advised him to reconsider, warned of self asphyxiation, asked about other possible sites to iv. are you just looking for trouble? if so i will ask a mod to intervene. this is not the place for your childish bickering, go learn to iv then come back to me. if youve nothing to contribute on jugular iv (you apparently cant iv at all very well) WHY ARE YOU IN THE THREAD? please go away now. i know i touched a nerve but lets not ruin another topic hm?
 
oh and rhun, if theres no safe way to iv into femoral.. why is it commonly used in hospitals upon occlusion of other sites? femoral catheter access is an almost standard procedure so much so they even have a name for the methodology of reliably hitting the vein. yet again you give away your lack of knowledge by trotting out the cliches youve no doubt read online. please research some before you post in the future. for fellow members however, my advice would always be to never start down this route. but hopefully some of what blake & i have posted will scare/shock others into reconsidering such risk laden practices
 
BlindHelperMonkey - I was referring to you saying it was not HR to try to convince someone to inject in places other than their neck and to "get on with the HR". Injecting into the neck is a needless risk and I've seen first-hand many people have serious complications from doing so. If you knew anything about me you would know I was an IV heroin addict for 14 years, have lived on the street, have used drugs from every class, and have worked in harm reduction. So please don't make assumptions about me. And to answer your question, yes I have actually attempted to shoot into my neck in the past and done other desperate things, because I didn't know better at the time and only cared about my addiction, and I am so lucky I learned about the risks and alternatives before I ended up dead. There really are plenty of other places to shoot, that are much safer, you just have to learn where they are and how to hit them. I did still badly destroy all my surface veins though, mostly through carelessness, and would really like to help others avoid that - or worse - happening to them.

And please stop accusing people of "trolling" just because you don't like/ agree with what they say - that is not what trolling is. Also just because jugular/femoral veins are used as last resorts by medical professionals doesn't mean it can be consistently done safely by a self-injecting untrained IV drug user injecting street drugs.

Anyway I think I was being non-judgemental in this thread and trying to be helpful and offer facts, advice and options, so I don't get what your beef is with me. I'm not going to not try to convince someone to inject in safer places, or not tell them how risky it is. But I did give advice for if he is going to continue neck injection and for injection in general.
 
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