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Jobseeker's Allowance Megathread ver. The Jeremy Kyle Fan Club

been head said:
yeh ive actually been on the dole a few times in the past it wasnt easy or nice. the main thing that made me want to get of the dole and start working again was the fact that i was always skint.
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Yes. I don't think anyone wants to be on the dole, not if you want any quality of life.

In the past year unemployment rates have gone up, due to the fault of the economy, so for some
getting of the dole and start working again
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as you put it has not been as easy.

I was told by one agency that they had over 200 applications for one job, when usually they'd be looking for 50!
 
i do appreciate that at the moment there are alot of people that genuinely want to find work but are struggling because of the lack of jobs. these people i have no problem with and they shoud be able to get more than they do.

however there are other people on the dole that do want to be on the dole and have no intention of finding a job. these are the people that piss me off.
i personally think anyone thats been unemployed for over a year, shoud have to do voluntrary work to be able to keep claiming.
 
i personally think anyone thats been unemployed for over a year, shoud have to do voluntrary work to be able to keep claiming.
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They do.

There are courses in place for that. Pretty long lasting ones. For 35 hours a week, on same rate of pay as normal dole. There are all sorts of things in place once you've been on the dole for a long time.

You're voicing strong opinions on a subject you seem to have little knowledge about mate :)
 
aye it's less than a year unemployed as well, new deal starts at 6 months...

these people who abuse jobseekers are a tiny minority, for any system to work you have to allow that there will be a minority who will abuse it else it would have to be so strict to leave out people who genuinely needed it.
 
Yes. I don't think anyone wants to be on the dole, not if you want any quality of life.
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There are people who want to be on the dole and accept the quality of life as a fair trade for not having to work.

And while we're discussing how even £400 month on the dole would be too low to live on, Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit doesn't seem to be getting mentioned and it's the main monthly expense taken care off.

After paying the mortgage/rent and their council tax, I'm pretty sure there are 100's of 1,000's of people in full time employment who don't have much more than £400 a month left over for food/socialising/clothes/travel to work.
 
After paying the mortgage/rent and their council tax, I'm pretty sure there are 100's of 1,000's of people in full time employment who don't have much more than £400 a month left over for food/socialising/clothes/travel to work.
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Yeah, me and that's living in house shares! Clothes were a luxury that was always forgotten about.

I've never claimed dole and housing benefit and council tax benefit all at the same time, so i've no idea what it feels like to be not working and have everything covered. I do know that from friends, even with housing benefit, your dole still has to stretch to cover the rest of the rent AND council tax (they don't pay it ALL, only a proportion) and it aint easy.
 
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been head said:
i do appreciate that at the moment there are alot of people that genuinely want to find work but are struggling because of the lack of jobs. these people i have no problem with and they shoud be able to get more than they do.
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So you want some people to have less and others to have more? How would a system work to accommodate that?

The obvious answer is that it couldn't.

How does one decide who no longer deserves benefits, or doesn't deserve as much? The criteria would have to be arbitary in the extreme which would ultimately lead to more unfairness unfairness in a flawed system and increasing social inequality and alienation which are already big problems in the UK.

Like evad says, in every system a minority of people will try to cheat and all you can do is try to catch them out because at the end of the day high quality social welfare is absolutely necessary, and we don't even have the at the moment so improvements need to be made.
 
i no you coudnt have diffrent amounts paid to diffrent people which is why i dont reckon the money shoud go up. i also dont reckon the number of people abusing the system is such a tiny minority. i personally no more people that abuse the system than people who are genuinley struggiling.
 
aye you can't base your idea of the whole system on "my mate is a scumbag"
people you know isn't a representative sample of the population, most longterm benefit abusers are on income support or ESA anyway as it's not that easy to sponge JSA long term
 
been head said:
i i also dont reckon the number of people abusing the system is such a tiny minority. i personally no more people that abuse the system than people who are genuinley struggiling.
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When I was going to a4e volutntariry the majority of the people I spoke to, regardless of how they would be perceived or pigeonholed, said the same thing to me and that was that they felt they like they were been looked down at when they went to interviews for various reasons and that in turn knocked their confidence. Also, going to interviews and getting knocked back or not getting a call, or even an initial response for that matter, can be demotivating and, again, can knock your confidence and self esteem.
 
Just imagine what it must be like to be Polish and looking for work Chrisdahl.
 
been head said:
i no you coudnt have diffrent amounts paid to diffrent people which is why i dont reckon the money shoud go up
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Well you could pay different amounts. If you've never worked in 10 years you just get £65, if you've worked for 10 years you get £100, and if you've worked for 20 years you get £150.
 
wibble said:
So you want some people to have less and others to have more? How would a system work to accommodate that?

The obvious answer is that it couldn't.

How does one decide who no longer deserves benefits, or doesn't deserve as much? The criteria would have to be arbitary in the extreme which would ultimately lead to more unfairness unfairness in a flawed system and increasing social inequality and alienation which are already big problems in the UK.

Like evad says, in every system a minority of people will try to cheat and all you can do is try to catch them out because at the end of the day high quality social welfare is absolutely necessary, and we don't even have the at the moment so improvements need to be made.
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How would you improve it Wibble?
 
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