swilow
Bluelight Crew
People, keep the shit giving and stuff in the Dive. If you must insult another user, that's the place to do it 
Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Scarecrow, scarecrow, what's that you thinkin'
A powerful propaganda that they call an "argument"
It's so prevalent and it's got you laggin
Haven't you heard big people got you in little packages
...I hope someone gets the reference
A powerful propaganda that they call an "argument"
It's so prevalent and it's got you laggin
Haven't you heard big people got you in little packages
...I hope someone gets the reference
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
The cultural revolution you guys participate in started directly after occupy/tea party. Any theories on why this is?
My theory:
The amount of all words being generated by humans, and bots, in the form of consumable content which gets spread, became exponential around 2010 when social media really boomed and became utilized by nearly every single person on earth. It was around 2010 when the internet became mass utilized by not just the west but poorer and more populated areas of the Earth like India, China, and Africa. It was around that time when traditional news outlets started routinely reacting to internet based content instead of real life journalism.
Racism is now routinely done out in the open - on the internet - due to anonymity and it's secondary lack of consequence compounded by social media digital echo chambers. People react to that. I think this is the most simple and core explanation.
I'm sure graphs for MANY words look like this, not just "racism".
On the other side, news outlets also started generating their own internet content which is ad-based revenues and needs to generate clicks, and the most effective way to do that is to appeal to people on an emotional level.
The conservative leaning news outlets have their own buzz words to get people to read their opinions as well. I would be very curious to see conservative news listed on this graph, I wouldn't be surprised if their usage of 'racist' was just as high.
Also, considering that graph only lists a very specific group of news outlets, very partial data, it was most likely intended to form a directed opinion into the reader. But it obviously lacks context here.
Critical thinking is fun, you should try it.
That's just my guess which took me a few seconds to form, you know, instead of just immediately assuming everything is part of some grand narrative conspiracy.
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Droppersneck
Bluelighter
This is hopeful thinking, not that any of us can know. But the cultural revolution in the US has been based on more than internet trends and algorithms. I’d lean more toward the establishment wanting us to fight a culture war vs coming together to realize our very real class struggles.My theory:
The amount of all words being generated by humans, and bots, in the form of consumable content which gets spread, became exponential around 2010 when social media really boomed and became utilized by nearly every single person on earth. It was around 2010 when the internet became mass utilized by not just the west but poorer and more populated areas of the Earth like India, China, and Africa. It was around that time when traditional news outlets started routinely reacting to internet based content instead of real life journalism.
Racism is now routinely done out in the open - on the internet - due to anonymity and it's secondary lack of consequence compounded by social media digital echo chambers. People react to that. I think this is the most simple and core explanation.
I'm sure graphs for MANY words look like this, not just "racism".
On the other side, news outlets also started generating their own internet content which is ad-based revenues and needs to generate clicks, and the most effective way to do that is to appeal to people on an emotional level.
The conservative leaning news outlets have their own buzz words to get people to read their opinions as well. I would be very curious to see conservative news listed on this graph, I wouldn't be surprised if their usage of 'racist' was just as high.
Critical thinking is fun, you should try it.
That's just my guess which took me a few seconds to form, you know, instead of just immediately assuming everything is part of some grand narrative conspiracy.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I disagree. I think any difference in culture these days can be directly traced back to the internet to some degree, usually a large amount.
Absolutely agree, except let us define "the establishment" instead of using it to conveniently and pejoratively name the people you disagree with.
The elite right, the "handlers" of conservatives in the US, push far more culture war bullshit on people and are much more of the instigators.
The left's culture just wants to *exist* and be left alone. The right wants to stomp out and destroy the left's culture. I mean, that's sort of baked into the word "conservative"...
Of course the left elite are not innocent in the distraction from class struggle, they just do it in the form of unkept promises or inaction.
Though obviously some generalizations here... the world is much more complex than that and can't be summed up in a few sentences like that.
That is exactly what the establishment wants. Capitalists love spreading propaganda that gets the working class fighting amongst itself, such as blaming immigrants for taking jobs while they ship jobs overseas and pocket the profits.
Why would capitalists who have plenty of money to spend on think tanks just sit there and shoulder the rightful blame for making huge amounts of money on the backs of workers like you and me when they can get us to point fingers at each other
Why would capitalists who have plenty of money to spend on think tanks just sit there and shoulder the rightful blame for making huge amounts of money on the backs of workers like you and me when they can get us to point fingers at each other
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I really don't think you can even define any politicians as "the establishment" anymore. They're ALL just puppets now. They're closer to TV stars than actual decision makers.
The real establishment are the oligarchs who secretly run this country. The dark money. The mob that owns all the politicians.
THAT is "the establishment".
Pisses me off how the news keeps referencing "The Russian Oligarchs" as some evil force.... my dude, the US has MANY MORE OLIGARCHS THAN RUSSIA.
The real establishment are the oligarchs who secretly run this country. The dark money. The mob that owns all the politicians.
THAT is "the establishment".
Pisses me off how the news keeps referencing "The Russian Oligarchs" as some evil force.... my dude, the US has MANY MORE OLIGARCHS THAN RUSSIA.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
not to be "that guy"... but what are the sources of this data for the first one? Difficult for a colorblind person to see, but it looks somewhat balanced?
The second pie graph doesn't seem that interesting. The vast majority of those contributions were less than $2,700. The largest donor was a Fox News media personality.
and this is only accounting people who list their profession as "Journalist", that could be freaking tiktok stars and blog writers.
"On Oct. 17, The Center for Public Integrity released an article titled “Journalists shower Hillary Clinton with campaign cash” claiming that journalists have given “$396,000 to the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Trump,” 96 percent of which they claim went to Clinton. Yet this figure includes the donations of many reporters who don’t cover politics, news or even business."
The news article source of that graph is questioning the validity or importance of that pie graph itself.
Most of those donations, which is really a small amount in total (<$400,000), are probably from people who listed their occupation as journalist because they couldn't or didn't want to list their real occupation - or were unemployed - or were just blog writers. The article also highly suggests it has nothing to do with news media journalists trying to influence politics. This data includes people who write blogs about chocolate chip cookies, and calls them "journalists".
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Electrum1
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Where American Workers Donated This Presidential Election
From professors to police officers, here are the top occupations of those who donated to Trump and Biden.
www.bloomberg.com
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Ah, thanks. Makes a lot more sense. I thought it was showing donations from the companies themselves, not the employees.Where American Workers Donated This Presidential Election
From professors to police officers, here are the top occupations of those who donated to Trump and Biden.
People who work for a company are not capitalists, they are not capital owners they are workers so it just looks to me like a large amount of workers support the democrats? Not sure what @Electrum1 is trying to say here
You sure like to paint with a broad brush, don't you ?
How about people who work for a company and receive stock as part of their pay ? Or those who invest in the stock market and or bonds on the side? You can be a blue collar worker and still be a capitalist, you know, LOL !
As long as you rely on your wages from working to survive, meaning you can't quit your job and still have the same lifestyle, you are a worker not a capital owner.
Sure being able to take part in the stock market allows people to try and move into the capital owning class however that's mostly to placate the workers and make them think they'll be able to get somewhere without being a wage worker and most people who invest in stocks are still workers not capital owners
Ah ! In other words "A true Scotsman never puts sugar in his broth ...."
indeed.
trump is running and trying to get the nomination as the official gop candidate. not very anti-establishment. it doesn't get much more establishment. maybe if he truly believed in his own anti-establishment credentials he'd run as an independent. but that won't happen.
it's also amusing to read, yet again, that the establishment is trying to divide us rather than have us 'come together' when it's written by somebody who's spent over a decade insulting people and demonstrably stoking that kind of division. laughable, really.
alasdair
No, it's simply about having a clear definition of terms. The capital owner can live purely off of their investments, capital gains while workers must work. Simple as that
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Well considering George Washington was the first and only independent to be elected I’d say it makes sense to be on a side that has a chance of winning