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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
What if you were to come to UK & married a resident, would you get benefits? Just a random question I thought when I was reading what you wrote. I’m Puerto Rican (us citizen) & years ago when I married my ex that came to the country he was able to get certain benefits through me … like citizenship, was eligible to go on my health insurance ect.
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Do you know, I'm not sure. I believe if you marry a UK resident you need to work for 2 years before you are able to get benefits. I know that you would be issued with an NHS number so health care is (mostly) free at the point of access. I say mostly because if you need a prescription medication, it costs £9.65 per item unless you have certain conditions*.
*Cancer and are undergoing treatment
Including treatment for the effects of cancer or the effects of cancer treatment
Epilepsy
Which needs continuous anticonvulsive therapy
A continuing physical disability
Which means you can't go out without the help of another person
A permanent fistula which needs continuous surgical dressing or an appliance
For example, caecostomy, colostomy, laryngostomy or ileostomy
Diabetes insipidus and other forms of hypopituitarism
Myxoedema
For example, hypothyroidism which needs thyroid hormone replacement
Hypoparathyroidism
Which means your parathyroid glands produce too little parathyroid hormone
Hypoadrenalism, where specific substitution therapy is essential
For example, Addison's Disease
Myasthenia gravis
Where an autoimmune condition affects the nerves and muscles

That exception might seem strange but with things like epilepsy, type 1 diabetes and so forth, it's cheaper to give the medicines free (since they are mostly very cheap) than have someone end up in hospital which costs about £400/day.

In answer to the other question.

Yes - there IS some benefit fraud but it's actually quite rare (estimated at <£1billion/annum compared to tax fraud which is estimated to be >£15 billion/annum). Employers as well as employees are vigorously pursued. Since almost everyone with a job will pay some tax (specifically NI), it's easily spotted. I'm sure people do odd jobs and such but you would never find a 9-5 job where they wouldn't require your NI number. After all, an employer can claim back tax on an employee so it's of no advantage to them to do so... unless they pay you £4/hour. I have heard of that but as I say, rare.

BTW the UK government stopped looking TOO hard when they discovered that £17 billion of benefits went unclaimed.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Yes in the past and now, they're wonderful
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What exactly has your union done for you ? Cause if all the years I was part of some pretty big unions all they did was collect dues and horribly renegotiate contracts, the corruption in unions is unreal….hardly what I’d call wonderful…I remember when a couple union reps got caught taking money from the company to make sure our contract renegotiations when in the companies favor. Not ours…if I were a gambling man I’d bet most unions suffer from that type of corruption….I do remember my dad telling me how great unions are when I was a kid tho
 
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AlsoTapered said:
Do you know, I'm not sure. I believe if you marry a UK resident you need to work for 2 years before you are able to get benefits. I know that you would be issued with an NHS number so health care is (mostly) free at the point of access. I say mostly because if you need a prescription medication, it costs £9.65 per item unless you have certain conditions*.
*Cancer and are undergoing treatment
Including treatment for the effects of cancer or the effects of cancer treatment
Epilepsy
Which needs continuous anticonvulsive therapy
A continuing physical disability
Which means you can't go out without the help of another person
A permanent fistula which needs continuous surgical dressing or an appliance
For example, caecostomy, colostomy, laryngostomy or ileostomy
Diabetes insipidus and other forms of hypopituitarism
Myxoedema
For example, hypothyroidism which needs thyroid hormone replacement
Hypoparathyroidism
Which means your parathyroid glands produce too little parathyroid hormone
Hypoadrenalism, where specific substitution therapy is essential
For example, Addison's Disease
Myasthenia gravis
Where an autoimmune condition affects the nerves and muscles

That exception might seem strange but with things like epilepsy, type 1 diabetes and so forth, it's cheaper to give the medicines free (since they are mostly very cheap) than have someone end up in hospital which costs about £400/day.

In answer to the other question.

Yes - there IS some benefit fraud but it's actually quite rare (estimated at <£1billion/annum compared to tax fraud which is estimated to be >£15 billion/annum). Employers as well as employees are vigorously pursued. Since almost everyone with a job will pay some tax (specifically NI), it's easily spotted. I'm sure people do odd jobs and such but you would never find a 9-5 job where they wouldn't require your NI number. After all, an employer can claim back tax on an employee so it's of no advantage to them to do so... unless they pay you £4/hour. I have heard of that but as I say, rare.

BTW the UK government stopped looking TOO hard when they discovered that £17 billion of benefits went unclaimed.
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Thanks for answering, lol I know that was a super random question.
The UK’s always been interesting to me, never been there … almost because I went to Ireland years ago in 2014 with my cousin that was running in the Dublin marathon. We were going to take a ferry there but just ended up going to pubs & doing different stuff in Dublin the rest of the week. A lot of the taxi cab drivers there were from UK actually.
 
In the Georgia case, the Trump-Raffensperger phone call recording is certainly a factor.



I have known for a long time that the RICO laws are open to interpretation (which strikes me as dubious to be honest) but I presume when they were enacted, it was because no organized criminal would directly order a specific act but refer to it obliquely. So asking someone to 'find evidence' rather than asking them 'find out if their IS evidence' could be viewed as obliquely asking someone to commit fraud.

It is a long conversation and I would be lying if I said I had listened to it all but more than once it sounds like an order and not a request.
 
Dropperneck said:
What would you say is the most damning evidence? What really convinces you he’s guilty
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if i truly thought you were asking in good faith, i’d answer. but you’ve spent years accusing me of being a brainwashed idiot who just regurgitates tv which makes it clear you’re not sincerely interested in my opinion.

he‘ll have his day in court and the opinion of a jury of georgia citizens is the only opinion which matters.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
if i truly thought you were asking in good faith, i’d answer. but you’ve spent years accusing me of being a brainwashed idiot who just regurgitates tv which makes it clear you’re not sincerely interested in my opinion.

he‘ll have his day in court and the opinion of a jury of georgia citizens is the only opinion which matters.

alasdair
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Don't worry, if a jury finds him guilty they'll still brush off the verdict just like the sexual assault one
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Generally immigrants don't directly compete with native born workers but rather work in positions that are complimentary while also filling gaps in the labor market where there is a shortage in both low and high skill. On top of that immigration drives economic growth through an increase in demand because the economy is not zero sum rather it depends on the number of people taking part in the economy
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The value of labor is being artificially lowered by an imported slave class of worker. Whenever boomers complain about people not being willing to work anymore, it’s bc the corporations are trying to set an artificially low market wage, that has not kept up with inflation or any of the other factors.
Your beliefs on wages and illegal immigration sound like half baked corporate propaganda from salon.com or the Huffington Post. Not trying to insult you, this is honestly where I think this type of disinformation comes from.

Circa 2005 we were taught these principles about illegal immigration, as economic majors. This would have been considered right wing back then ironically.
 
alasdairm said:
if i truly thought you were asking in good faith, i’d answer. but you’ve spent years accusing me of being a brainwashed idiot who just regurgitates tv which makes it clear you’re not sincerely interested in my opinion.

he‘ll have his day in court and the opinion of a jury of georgia citizens is the only opinion which matters.

alasdair
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I only asked bc I knew you would have nothing. I read through all three of them, this is lawfare plain and simple.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Corporations are trying to set lower wages but they do it with offshoring and mass layoffs not immigrant labor

Do you genuinely think that immigrants somehow don't drive up demand in an economy? Do you really think that economies are zero sum?
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I never said they didn’t, people willing to work for lower wages drives down the market wage. This is a truth the left screamed from the hilltop not even 20 years ago.
 
Dropperneck said:
I never said they didn’t, people willing to work for lower wages drives down the market wage. This is a truth the left screamed from the hilltop not even 20 years ago.
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It doesn't because demand gets driven up at the same time, unless the jobs that fill the demand are offshore then that's where the demand for labor is that's why offshoring is the real issue when you're considering a country as the system of focus
 
When the UK left the EU and then we discovered that the people from other EU nations were pretty important to our economy. Unemployment went up, wages didn't. That was because those people were skilled and their just weren't enough people with the skill-set.

It did not improve the economy, quite the reverse.
 
Dropperneck said:
this is lawfare
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i'm still waiting for somebody to provide evidence of exactly how the big, bad left got to all the different members of all the different grand juries who voted to indict but, as ever, it's not forthcoming.

again, this "you got nothing" indignation is fun online for whipping up your tribe but it's meaningless in the real world where facts and evidence matter.

release the kraken!

wait. never mind.

alasdair
 
Yeah - in the end it's pointless to do more than look at the available evidence and wonder.

Those with ALL the evidence (for each case) will see that justice is done.

BTW does anyone know what that cancelled Trump press conference was suppose to be about? Apparently he had proof that he was innocent of every charge. I don't know what that could be.
 
Total mystery why Ray Epps is only being charged with disorderly conduct. What a mystery

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