Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Watch the Jan 6 hearings. There's your proof. It's voluminous, impossible to miss, if you're looking.
Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath
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Watch the Jan 6 hearings. There's your proof. It's voluminous, impossible to miss, if you're looking.
steewith2ees
Bluelight Crew
I watched the final session the other day knowing that while primarily ceremonial, it was the last chance to see an example of Congress trying to achieve something of value.
The New Year will be of course the start of 2 years worth of Jordan led committees and after everything they have had to suffer since 2018 the level of righteous indignation he will direct at those that had the gall to try and hold bad actors to account will be next level.
right. i think you’re playing a game and being deliberately obtuse las veghost.
i'm not making a claim so i don’t have to prove anything.
i was reporting an allegation based on testimony. as xorkoth noted, you can view it for yourself if you feel like it. you know what ‘allegation‘ means, right?
alasdair
i'm not making a claim so i don’t have to prove anything.
i was reporting an allegation based on testimony. as xorkoth noted, you can view it for yourself if you feel like it. you know what ‘allegation‘ means, right?
alasdair
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
He said she said, people gunning for trump, total shocker at this point
when you do the shit trump’s been doing, of course people are going to be “gunning for” you.
the poor-me, victim shit is transparent. if you break the law, you pay the consequences even if you’re an ex-president. he’ll have his day in court.
alasdair
the poor-me, victim shit is transparent. if you break the law, you pay the consequences even if you’re an ex-president. he’ll have his day in court.
alasdair
more on the fake elector scheme: Transcripts reveal link between Trump, Nevada fake electors
"New transcripts of closed-door testimony to the Jan. 6 House committee show Donald Trump and his allies had a direct hand in the Nevada Republican Party’s scheme to send a phony electoral certificate to Congress in 2020 in a last-ditch attempt to keep the former president in power.
The documents made public Wednesday evening included interviews with state party leader Michael McDonald and Republican National Committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid in February. Both men served as fake electors in Carson City on Dec. 14, 2020.
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The planning was extensive, the transcripts show, and began as early as four days before the election, when state party officials began discussing whether Nevada’s Republican secretary of state, Barbara Cegavske, would sign off on the alternate slate of electors.
DeGraffenreid, in a text conversation with party officials, said Cegavske "might do a lot of things, but sending a slate of Republican electors without them being clearly the winners of the popular vote is not one of them."
Cegavske ultimately certified President Joe Biden’s victory in Nevada, defending the results as reliable and accurate despite attacks from Trump and others within her own party, which led the Nevada Republican Party to censure her. She later conducted an investigation that found no credible evidence of widespread voter fraud throughout the state." (my emphasis)
alasdair
"New transcripts of closed-door testimony to the Jan. 6 House committee show Donald Trump and his allies had a direct hand in the Nevada Republican Party’s scheme to send a phony electoral certificate to Congress in 2020 in a last-ditch attempt to keep the former president in power.
The documents made public Wednesday evening included interviews with state party leader Michael McDonald and Republican National Committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid in February. Both men served as fake electors in Carson City on Dec. 14, 2020.
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The planning was extensive, the transcripts show, and began as early as four days before the election, when state party officials began discussing whether Nevada’s Republican secretary of state, Barbara Cegavske, would sign off on the alternate slate of electors.
DeGraffenreid, in a text conversation with party officials, said Cegavske "might do a lot of things, but sending a slate of Republican electors without them being clearly the winners of the popular vote is not one of them."
Cegavske ultimately certified President Joe Biden’s victory in Nevada, defending the results as reliable and accurate despite attacks from Trump and others within her own party, which led the Nevada Republican Party to censure her. She later conducted an investigation that found no credible evidence of widespread voter fraud throughout the state." (my emphasis)
alasdair
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Well Nevada is probably one of the most crooked states there is, something to consider
maybe but that's a rather vague statement and it sounds like you're saying that to brush this off?
what we've learned about this scheme is that there was a legitimate, coordinated attempt to steal the 2020 election but it wasn't by the democrats...
alasdair
what we've learned about this scheme is that there was a legitimate, coordinated attempt to steal the 2020 election but it wasn't by the democrats...
alasdair
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
I’m saying I think both sides cheat
maybe.
but why have the trump campaign - and other campaigns like kari lake's midterm campaign - been completely and utterly unable to back up their claims of democratic fraud in the over 80 lawsuits alleging such?
is it perhaps because, on the internet you can sling around allegations like "the election was stolen" and people who are biased to believe it will just believe it whereas, in a court of law, the bar is set a little higher than vague allegations - you have to prove your claims and they've been unable to do so.
alasdair
but why have the trump campaign - and other campaigns like kari lake's midterm campaign - been completely and utterly unable to back up their claims of democratic fraud in the over 80 lawsuits alleging such?
is it perhaps because, on the internet you can sling around allegations like "the election was stolen" and people who are biased to believe it will just believe it whereas, in a court of law, the bar is set a little higher than vague allegations - you have to prove your claims and they've been unable to do so.
alasdair
Jerry Atrick
Bluelight Crew
You mean there was a scheme to overthrow the gubmint that took place BEFORE Jan 6? Wow, whoda thunkit? /s
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Many, many hours of testimony is pretty convincing. It was televised so everyone could see it. I'm guessing you didn't watch it, though. It must seem pretty impossible to believe if you get all of your information from sources that paint it a certain way. Watching hearings, however, allows one to draw their own conclusions by reading body language and hearing audio and video evidence. Most everyone I hear who still thinks that Jan 6th was nothing more than a protest gone bad refuses to watch the hearings, or claims they watched "most of them" but can't point out any specific things they saw.
I mean, I get it, it would be pretty scary to watch something that had the potential to undermine your deeply held worldview with nothing but evidence and testimony.
I mean, I get it, it would be pretty scary to watch something that had the potential to undermine your deeply held worldview with nothing but evidence and testimony.
'We look like domestic terrorists': Ex-White House aide Hope Hicks's angry text messages released
"The House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill riots has released new documents that reveal an angry text exchange between Ivanka Trump’s chief of staff Julie Radford and White House aide Hope Hicks over Donald Trump's actions on January 6, 2021.
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“In one day he ended every future opportunity that doesn’t include speaking engagements at the local Proud Boys chapter,” Hicks wrote to Radford on the same day as the insurrection. “And all of us that didn’t have jobs lined up will be perpetually unemployed. I’m so mad and upset. We all look like domestic terrorists now.”
“This made us all unemployable. Like untouchable. God I’m so f***ing mad," Hicks further wrote.
Radford responded by telling Hicks that she has been shunned by Visa over a job opportunity via email. “I know, like there isn’t a chance of finding a job.""
some people here in ce&p downplaying what happened that day but hicks and radford had a pretty good idea of the extent of what was happening and, somewhat selfishly, the possible consequences.
alasdair
"The House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill riots has released new documents that reveal an angry text exchange between Ivanka Trump’s chief of staff Julie Radford and White House aide Hope Hicks over Donald Trump's actions on January 6, 2021.
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“In one day he ended every future opportunity that doesn’t include speaking engagements at the local Proud Boys chapter,” Hicks wrote to Radford on the same day as the insurrection. “And all of us that didn’t have jobs lined up will be perpetually unemployed. I’m so mad and upset. We all look like domestic terrorists now.”
“This made us all unemployable. Like untouchable. God I’m so f***ing mad," Hicks further wrote.
Radford responded by telling Hicks that she has been shunned by Visa over a job opportunity via email. “I know, like there isn’t a chance of finding a job.""
some people here in ce&p downplaying what happened that day but hicks and radford had a pretty good idea of the extent of what was happening and, somewhat selfishly, the possible consequences.
alasdair
Jerry Atrick
Bluelight Crew
If all the repubs who complain about this got together and watched all the committee hearings in which nearly 100% of the witness testimony was from other lifelong repubs, the cognitive dissonance would prolly tear a hole in the space/time continuum.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
For real.
"Pshh.... lib... deep state... tard... collusion... Ivanka's ass..." BAM!
"Pshh.... lib... deep state... tard... collusion... Ivanka's ass..." BAM!
evidence gathered by the jan 6th select committee is starting to appear in related lawsuits
e.g. 16 Michigan GOP electors sued over documents claiming Trump won 2020 election
"A number of Michigan GOP electors were named in a lawsuit after they falsely declared in official documents that former President Trump won the 2020 presidential election.
In the lawsuit filed Wednesday in the Kent County Circuit Court, three Democratic presidential electors accused the 16 Republicans of submitting fraudulent election certificates in a scheme “to steal the election and install the losing candidate as President.” Michigan’s Democratic electorate had already filed their official documentation certifying President Biden’s win.
The lawsuit alleges that the GOP electorates created a fake election “certificate signed by the defendants and styled ‘Certificate of the Votes of the 2020 Electors from Michigan, which they offered as an official public record.”"
alasdair
e.g. 16 Michigan GOP electors sued over documents claiming Trump won 2020 election
"A number of Michigan GOP electors were named in a lawsuit after they falsely declared in official documents that former President Trump won the 2020 presidential election.
In the lawsuit filed Wednesday in the Kent County Circuit Court, three Democratic presidential electors accused the 16 Republicans of submitting fraudulent election certificates in a scheme “to steal the election and install the losing candidate as President.” Michigan’s Democratic electorate had already filed their official documentation certifying President Biden’s win.
The lawsuit alleges that the GOP electorates created a fake election “certificate signed by the defendants and styled ‘Certificate of the Votes of the 2020 Electors from Michigan, which they offered as an official public record.”"
alasdair
file under "no surprise here":
Trump's 2020 presidential campaign hired a research firm to probe the results for election fraud but found no evidence, with the findings kept away from the public: WaPo
" - The Trump campaign commissioned a firm to probe the 2020 election, but researchers came up empty, per The WaPo.
- Roughly a dozen people at the Berkeley Research Group were part of a team analyzing Trump's claims.
- The research didn't deliver what the Trump campaign sought and the findings were kept undisclosed.
A research firm hired by former President Donald Trump's 2020 campaign to validate the former president's claims of election fraud instead was unable to find evidence to support his theories, nor were the findings released to the public, according to The Washington Post.
The Berkeley Research Group was commissioned by the Trump campaign to analyze the voting data from six states to probe whether voter fraud or any irregularities had occurred during the 2020 election. Areas of focus for the probe were voter machine malfunctions, allegations that a mass of deceased individuals had voted in the election, and other evidence that could point to a Trump victory, per the report.
The Trump campaign envisioned using evidence from the report to bolster the then-president's claims in the public arena and in court.
But individuals with knowledge of the situation told The Post that the results didn't line up with what the Trump team had sought, and the research group's findings were subsequently not disclosed to the public."
in short, he knew he lost the election but continued to promote 'the big lie' anyway, including in his speech on jan 6th.
alasdair
Trump's 2020 presidential campaign hired a research firm to probe the results for election fraud but found no evidence, with the findings kept away from the public: WaPo
" - The Trump campaign commissioned a firm to probe the 2020 election, but researchers came up empty, per The WaPo.
- Roughly a dozen people at the Berkeley Research Group were part of a team analyzing Trump's claims.
- The research didn't deliver what the Trump campaign sought and the findings were kept undisclosed.
A research firm hired by former President Donald Trump's 2020 campaign to validate the former president's claims of election fraud instead was unable to find evidence to support his theories, nor were the findings released to the public, according to The Washington Post.
The Berkeley Research Group was commissioned by the Trump campaign to analyze the voting data from six states to probe whether voter fraud or any irregularities had occurred during the 2020 election. Areas of focus for the probe were voter machine malfunctions, allegations that a mass of deceased individuals had voted in the election, and other evidence that could point to a Trump victory, per the report.
The Trump campaign envisioned using evidence from the report to bolster the then-president's claims in the public arena and in court.
But individuals with knowledge of the situation told The Post that the results didn't line up with what the Trump team had sought, and the research group's findings were subsequently not disclosed to the public."
in short, he knew he lost the election but continued to promote 'the big lie' anyway, including in his speech on jan 6th.
alasdair
file under "yet again, no fucking surprise whatsoever":
Arizona AG releases 2020 "audit" findings that predecessor withheld
"Investigators with Arizona's attorney general's office concluded that nearly all findings of a largely discredited audit of the 2020 election in Maricopa County commissioned by the state Senate were unfounded; but former Republican AG Mark Brnovich withheld the information and left office without releasing it." (my emphasis)
alasdair
Arizona AG releases 2020 "audit" findings that predecessor withheld
"Investigators with Arizona's attorney general's office concluded that nearly all findings of a largely discredited audit of the 2020 election in Maricopa County commissioned by the state Senate were unfounded; but former Republican AG Mark Brnovich withheld the information and left office without releasing it." (my emphasis)
alasdair
