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Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath

I dunno I haven’t seen anything to convince me that the whole Jan 6 thing wasnt just a bunch of people that rioted at a government building and a couple of them said some shit about overthrowing the election, but at the end of the day that was very clearly in no way an attempt to overthrow the election or a insurrection or whatever they want to call it….it was a riot where a handful of people said some stupid shit
 
I mean had they even held the capital for a remotely meaningful amount of time there might be an argument for an insurrection, but there just isn’t
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Trump is now claiming some CIA agent found evidence on "Biden's laptop" of a plot to plant evidence at mar a lago to frame him.

He already admitted to taking the documents...
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Dude, you do realize there is already a Mar a Logo Raid thread, right? You keep posting this shit in the Jan 6 thread and they are mostly unrelated :ROFLMAO:

Sorry, seriously not trying to be a ball buster. I think it's funny, actually.

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Las Veghost grower said:
I mean had they even held the capital for a remotely meaningful amount of time there might be an argument for an insurrection, but there just isn’t
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Pence wasn't able to certify the votes until after 1am. So 12 hours isn't long enough to convince you what they were trying to do?

I've watched all 7 hearings so far so my opinions are based on first hand viewing of the mountains of evidence. I don't think you've watched all 7 hearings in full or you might have a different opinion than edited soundbites and tidbits from wherever you get your news.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
a bunch of people that rioted at a government building and a couple of them said some shit about overthrowing the election
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the events on the day at the capital are part of a much bigger picture - the false electors, etc.

the false elector scheme alone was a clear attempt to ignore the will of millions of votes across multiple states.

alasdair
 
Las Veghost grower, I used to feel the same way about what happened at the US Capitol on Jan 6th...namely that it was merely the last desperate temper-tantrum of some over-excited MAGA fanatics. That's what it appeared like to me in the immediate aftermath of the event itself. But as more context has emerged about the event I've gone over more towards the side of it being an "insurrection", honestly, rather than it being merely a riot by frustrated Trump supporters. The reason I feel that way is because elements within Trump's administration seem to have had a knowledge about the event in question and, more importantly, were willing to use said event in order to sway some elements of the state (most famously Mike Pence but also elements of the military and security state) in an attempt to have Trump remain in office, basically.

I agree with @alasdairm that it needs to be put in a wider context...if your analysis stops at, the Trump supporters didn't "hold" the Capitol and start issuing diktats from the new MAGA provisional state, then it clearly wasn't an insurrection, it was merely a transitory riot...but if you include the incident with preceding events and communications from the administration itself, and put it in context, the picture becomes much darker IMO
 
I think they're trying to say that if you watch the hearings, there's a clear trail of evidence and it paints a pretty clear picture. Honestly I haven't had time to watch much of them, just parts of the first and second. I wish I wasn't so overloaded with work because from what I have been told by people who have been watching them, it's well worth doing. I mean obviously I already am on the side of it being an attempted coup (for the record, with all or most of the people actually storming the capital being pawns), but I think if you really are interested in the truth at this point, you have to watch the hearings. It can't possibly be laid out in some links in anywhere near as comprehensive a way.

I'd invite anyone who isn't afraid of the truth to do so. In my mind, refusing to do so is no different from people refusing to believe a single piece of evidence that the vaccines could possibly be bad, because they've already made up their minds and are afraid to admit the possibility they could be wrong, and are perhaps even scared to allow anything through that might convince them otherwise. I was refusing to follow any of the evidence people were presenting about the vaccines for a good year, year and a half. Once I decided I needed to, in order to make sure I wasn't holding my fingers in my ears shouting "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU", I had to admit that something is up. I still haven't decided whether it's just a moneygrab or something more sinister (I think a moneygrab though), and I am not sure whether I am going to regret having been vaccinated in the future, but I finally let myself be open to it not being what it was presented to me as. This is the same thing. There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence, and it's being broadcast in real time. You can see for yourself, if you want to.
 
Fire&Water said:
Theyre doing everything in their power (plus a lot more)
so he cannot run for a second term
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Maybe there's a good reason for that, though. Imagine if he really was trying to overturn a legitimate election, along with the help of a number of people holding seats in congress. If that's true, wouldn't we want to make sure he doesn't run again?

That's what the hearings are about. I need to get updated on watching them, myself. Anyone who doesn't is literally doing the exact same thing as people saying "everything you present me with that says the vaccines are bad is propaganda, so I'm not going to even bother looking at it. I trust what the experts are telling me". It is exactly the same thing.
 
Xorkoth said:
Maybe there's a good reason for that, though. Imagine if he really was trying to overturn a legitimate election, along with the help of a number of people holding seats in congress. If that's true, wouldn't we want to make sure he doesn't run again?

That's what the hearings are about. I need to get updated on watching them, myself. Anyone who doesn't is literally doing the exact same thing as people saying "everything you present me with that says the vaccines are bad is propaganda, so I'm not going to even bother looking at it. I trust what the experts are telling me". It is exactly the same thing.
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Sure
thats plausible

then puddinbrain has his home raided, gives a 3rd reich influenced speech about how "make america great" people are our countrys new terrorists ...

Its back & forth devisive venom from a couple of retards

then the current second in charge is more of a retard than both combined
 
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Las Veghost grower said:
Iv watched a good bit of it, not all of it but I just don’t care that much tbh, that’s why I’m asking you guys what you see as proof it was a legitimate attempt at a insurrection
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That's the problem. Each hearing is 2-3+ hours. There is so much evidence and information, mountains, it would take for-fucking-ever for any of us to try summarize them for you. Even then, it wouldn't do it justice because much of the evidence is video and first hand interview accounts. This by the way is the reason hearing second hand and edited clips from MSM is not ideal. If you can't be bothered to watch the hearings in their entirety like many of us here, then I don't know what to say. It's not fair for us to watch them all and have to give our second hand rundown when all the videos are on youtube for your viewing pleasure.

It's like asking someone for all the answers on a school test because you couldn't be bothered to study. Sorry bud, it's all there :)
 
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